Have the terrorist attacks changed where you go & how you travel?
Jul 17th, 2016, 10:40 PM
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The actions of governments are more likely to affect where I go rather than terrorism. If I avoid places where terrorism could occur then I'd avoid places like Florida, Massachusetts or New York.
The simple fact is that with a few exceptions like Iraq or Syria you are more likely to be killed tripping over the cat than by a terrorist.
The simple fact is that with a few exceptions like Iraq or Syria you are more likely to be killed tripping over the cat than by a terrorist.
Jul 18th, 2016, 01:22 AM
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Well I stopped repeat visits to Libya, Syria and Isreal a few years back (though the Isreal one was more to do with the border guards being so weird). I never got to Yemen or Iraq and probably never will.
On my "watch list" are the obvious ones plus USA, (just to be clear that is not a snarky comment but I do have an active dislike of guns and USA police/legal procedures).
You have to remember that in the UK we have dealt with foreign subsidised terrorism for a many years and I very much doubt that Daesh is going to start bombing the vinyards of Bordeaux, Burgundy, Alsace, Mosel, etc etc. So Europe for me stays open as just this side of Ukraine and Russia, though obviously Moldova would be of concern. Though my SIL regularly travels in that area and tells me that Putin is an "E@@l b@@@@@d".
Enjoy
On my "watch list" are the obvious ones plus USA, (just to be clear that is not a snarky comment but I do have an active dislike of guns and USA police/legal procedures).
You have to remember that in the UK we have dealt with foreign subsidised terrorism for a many years and I very much doubt that Daesh is going to start bombing the vinyards of Bordeaux, Burgundy, Alsace, Mosel, etc etc. So Europe for me stays open as just this side of Ukraine and Russia, though obviously Moldova would be of concern. Though my SIL regularly travels in that area and tells me that Putin is an "E@@l b@@@@@d".
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Jul 18th, 2016, 01:56 AM
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I'm not being snarky either, but I know a Nigerian lawyer who wouldn't dare travel to the US. She says that to enjoy the country, you really need to drive.
I'm sure that the majority of black motorists who are stopped by the police, don't get shot or beaten up, but why spend your trip with your nerves on edge?
Terrorists can strike anywhere. The IRA placed a bomb in Warrington, a quiet little Cheshire town.
At my age, I'm more likely to die falling downstairs that at the hands of a terrorist.
I'm sure that the majority of black motorists who are stopped by the police, don't get shot or beaten up, but why spend your trip with your nerves on edge?
Terrorists can strike anywhere. The IRA placed a bomb in Warrington, a quiet little Cheshire town.
At my age, I'm more likely to die falling downstairs that at the hands of a terrorist.
Jul 18th, 2016, 02:21 AM
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Interesting post...simple answer is yes..recently traveled in France to Provence..avoided larger cities and felt very safe..but may not return to France for the near future..love turkey but as was mentioned above unstable governments are more concerning to me..borders can be closed quickly..t think turkey is headed for some even worse times and won't be back there soon either. Tend to prefer smaller towns and different kinds of trips these days but will still travel.
Jul 18th, 2016, 12:33 PM
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I sure don't plan to return to the USA anytime soon. And I'll probably let Turkey simmer down a bit before I head over there, but otherwise, no. I think it's particularly foolish to avoid a place where there was a recent terrorist attack, but that's just me. And I count government coups and random acts of violence by unhinged loners as different from terrorist attacks.
Jul 18th, 2016, 02:24 PM
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I like the way you guys think
-you are my people-
In reading the responses I am exactly like rialtogirl (as I'm sure a lot of you are too)
"Travel keeps me going-I think without it I would die. So I'm going to keep traveling"
That said, I am also going to listen to my intuition which says... Paris later rather than sooner(wait for the heat to cool down before I book my 9th visit) And stay away from large crowds-i dont like them anyways and my trip to France 2017 will be devoted to all the other fantastic out of the way places in France I have always wanted to see and include return visits to my favorite smaller villages.
It has been eye opening googling hot spots in Europe and looking at travel from that perspective.
In the end we all have to do what we feel is right for us.
Pepper- I encourage you to step in the shower-it's worth the risk for humanity.
And colduphere...ill take your word that camping in No Canada rocks your world and put that on the bottom of my travel list.
-you are my people-
In reading the responses I am exactly like rialtogirl (as I'm sure a lot of you are too)
"Travel keeps me going-I think without it I would die. So I'm going to keep traveling"
That said, I am also going to listen to my intuition which says... Paris later rather than sooner(wait for the heat to cool down before I book my 9th visit) And stay away from large crowds-i dont like them anyways and my trip to France 2017 will be devoted to all the other fantastic out of the way places in France I have always wanted to see and include return visits to my favorite smaller villages.
It has been eye opening googling hot spots in Europe and looking at travel from that perspective.
In the end we all have to do what we feel is right for us.
Pepper- I encourage you to step in the shower-it's worth the risk for humanity.
And colduphere...ill take your word that camping in No Canada rocks your world and put that on the bottom of my travel list.
Jul 18th, 2016, 03:07 PM
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I'm with Thin.
My neighbour's daughter died in a car carash aged 21.
Yet I still drive.
However the older I get the safer I drive.
Travel is the same : I pay attention to what is happening in the country I might want to visit.
So I definitely avoid Syria, I think twice about Egypt (I'd go but rather alone), I went to Israel, to Turkey recently. Nice or ? are simply impossible to avoid, this can happen anywhere anytime, so learn to live with it.
If I were to avoid a place it would probably be London, since I believe the chances of an attack there are now bigger than in Paris. Out or not from Europe, they are still the cousins of the Big Satan, so they certainly 'deserve' an attack in the minds of crazy fanatics.
In short : now when I travel, I always have a bottle of vodka, I feel safer when drunk.
My neighbour's daughter died in a car carash aged 21.
Yet I still drive.
However the older I get the safer I drive.
Travel is the same : I pay attention to what is happening in the country I might want to visit.
So I definitely avoid Syria, I think twice about Egypt (I'd go but rather alone), I went to Israel, to Turkey recently. Nice or ? are simply impossible to avoid, this can happen anywhere anytime, so learn to live with it.
If I were to avoid a place it would probably be London, since I believe the chances of an attack there are now bigger than in Paris. Out or not from Europe, they are still the cousins of the Big Satan, so they certainly 'deserve' an attack in the minds of crazy fanatics.
In short : now when I travel, I always have a bottle of vodka, I feel safer when drunk.
Jul 18th, 2016, 03:50 PM
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At a post Bastille Day party this past Satrurday I sat next to a woman who said, after she heard of our travel plans of a month in France in Sept., that she personally would not vacation in a war zone.
So that was me told.
So that was me told.
Jul 19th, 2016, 03:51 AM
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44T trouble is the noise from the "the duck" drowns out any sensible stuff at the moment.
Right now, I have plans to travel to continental europe. What I do find is hate preachers cause more problems than they solve, being a possible US president is just terrifying.
Right now, I have plans to travel to continental europe. What I do find is hate preachers cause more problems than they solve, being a possible US president is just terrifying.
Jul 20th, 2016, 08:27 PM
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I want to be cautious and not reckless. Having said that, I don't want to live life in fear either. My husband and I are set to travel to France this September. And yes, we would be in Paris as well as Nice. I hope it should be ok.
Jul 21st, 2016, 12:27 AM
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There's no reason that travelling to Paris and Nice should not be OK. And there's no reason that you shouldn't enjoy yourself while you're in either city. Security is at the highest level in France, so you will be well-protected.
If an attack occurs, it will be something that could not have been predicted or prevented. No sense in looking over your shoulder and worrying about what you cannot prevent.
There are many more Muslims in Paris - and throughout Europe and the US - than you might think. The overwhelming majority of them live absolutely normal lives, and chances are that you wouldn't even notice one if you were sitting next to him or her.
If an attack occurs, it will be something that could not have been predicted or prevented. No sense in looking over your shoulder and worrying about what you cannot prevent.
There are many more Muslims in Paris - and throughout Europe and the US - than you might think. The overwhelming majority of them live absolutely normal lives, and chances are that you wouldn't even notice one if you were sitting next to him or her.
Jul 21st, 2016, 05:39 AM
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Well, yes and no.
We were in Nice and Provence in the fall, and during the planning, we did look at each other and ask whether we should go. What's the option? Stay home out of fear of what MIGHT happen? Not a chance!
It's all about the risk/reward ratio.
And in thinking about risk/reward or cost/benefit, we have decided not to travel to the U.S. for a driving trip this fall. We would be travelling through some open carry states, and I'm jittery enough about the recent tragedies suffered by our U.S. neighbours that we've decided to go to Quebec instead. I just don't want or need to see a civilian carrying a gun on their person.
Taking it as a whole then, I would say yes, it has changed how I travel. No to the U.S. And yes to Europe.
We were in Nice and Provence in the fall, and during the planning, we did look at each other and ask whether we should go. What's the option? Stay home out of fear of what MIGHT happen? Not a chance!
It's all about the risk/reward ratio.
And in thinking about risk/reward or cost/benefit, we have decided not to travel to the U.S. for a driving trip this fall. We would be travelling through some open carry states, and I'm jittery enough about the recent tragedies suffered by our U.S. neighbours that we've decided to go to Quebec instead. I just don't want or need to see a civilian carrying a gun on their person.
Taking it as a whole then, I would say yes, it has changed how I travel. No to the U.S. And yes to Europe.
