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Old Jan 24th, 2015, 08:53 PM
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One extra night in G-P and one extra night in Cochem would work for me.

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Day 9- Nuremberg to Rotenburg(1 night)
Day 10- AM train to Boppard for 2 nights

Rothenburg is really nice at night. The night watchman tour is a real hoot!

Your last night in Germany should be spent closer to the airport (not Cochem ). Mainz would be good.
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Old Jan 25th, 2015, 06:59 AM
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dlongan: For train tips, your FRA arrival date/time and MUC departure date/time are needed.

Dropping Würzburg as suggested above would be a bit of a shame, IMO. You had hoped to see the Romantic Road - and W'burg, with its UNESCO World Heritage Residenz Palace and the Marienberg Fortress, is a top RR destination (a guided tour of the Residenz in English is possible every day at 11, 3 and 4:30. Be sure to see the eye-popping Hofkirche (which recently underwent a 3-year restoration) too.

http://www.residenz-wuerzburg.de/eng...nz/history.htm

http://www.residenz-wuerzburg.de/eng...z/hofkirch.htm

You have to pass through Würzburg anyway. Rothenburg IMO is very handsome but small and requires just a few hours. The Nightwatchman tour in Rothenburg is comedic entertainment mostly and it's good tourist business because it keeps the tourists in town for an overnight stay. But Würzburg makes Germany a little more real, IMO. It feels a little like Prague to me in spots:
http://www.blaek.de/_images/baet/A_M...ecke-05.07.jpg

There's a nice riverside walk that skirts the old town and an old town center with interesting architecture where open-air markets and al fresco eateries are routine:
http://www.olidaytours.com/wp-conten...tplatz-Wue.jpg

Marienberg fortress is worth visiting too:
http://www.schloesser.bayern.de/engl...ts/wu_fest.htm

http://www.ferienhof-henn.de/files/i...marienberg.jpg

Fortress gardens: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/38069995.jpg

You can't see all of Würzburg with just one night there but what you can see will likely impress you.
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Old Jan 25th, 2015, 11:51 AM
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You have convinced me. Wurzburg should remain in the itinerary!
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Old Jan 25th, 2015, 02:42 PM
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Sounds great.
Arrive Munich 9.40 am
Depart Fra 1.40 pm
I haven't looked at train schedules yet, but if I leave Cochem early morning could I make it to airport, check in, etc by noon?
I did go to a couple train sites and how the heck do you know if you need this pass or that pass or which discount pass?
I have to get a room in Cochem asap tho. I'll work on that tonight.
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Old Jan 25th, 2015, 06:29 PM
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Booked Lohspeichen. Last 3 nights. So I will have to take early train to Frankfurt last day. Looks doable from what I could tell of the schedule
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If you like walking, while you are in Garmisch the Alpspitze has trails and Mittenwald is blessed with great mountain, lake and Leutaschklamm walks . Otherwise, I think you said you like cycling, you can hire bikes next to Mittenwald station and ride the path along the river to the nearby town, with the towering mountain alongside of you, so spectacular.
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Old Jan 25th, 2015, 08:43 PM
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Adelaidean,
That sounds wonderful! I am afraid my whole trip is catching trains and seeing museums and castles. I absolutely must enjoy the beauty!
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"I haven't looked at train schedules yet, but if I leave Cochem early morning could I make it to airport, check in, etc by noon? I did go to a couple train sites and how the heck do you know if you need this pass or that pass or which discount pass?"

dlongan: There's nothing that rail pass middlemen would like more than to sell you a couple of rail passes! Whatever sites it is you are looking at, don't buy anything right now. (While I'm nearly certain you don't need a rail pass, rail passes never sell out anyway and can be bought last-minute.)

After my last botched attempt, I'm nervous about giving you accurate train advice! But I'll give it a go if you provide your arrival and departure DATES - they're VERY important.
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Old Jan 26th, 2015, 07:37 AM
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To add to all the great replies...
We travelled to Germany last June with 3 teens. Flew in and out of Munich, rented a car, which was fabulous. Germany was very easy to navigate via car, especially with a GPS. We even drove into Munich which was very easy , but we're used to driving in large cities in the US.
We spent 2 nights in Rothenburg, did the night watch tour which was very entertaining. Yes you can spend just a few hours here, but we really enjoyed having a leisurely time without having to rush anywhere. Early one morning at sunrise we took a stroll outside the medieval fortress walls down a pathway through a beautiful meadow. We stayed in a 700 year old restored home that was built into the fortress wall. Just amazing.
From Rothenburg we took a day trip to Wurzburg and toured the palace and had lunch at the hofbrauhaus along the river. Highly recommend the palace tour.
Fussen is touristy, but Neuschwanstein and Hohenschwangau were well worth the visit. Stayed in a very nice hotel with view of Neuschwantstein called Villa Ludwig. One of our favorite hotels on the entire trip.
From Fussen we went to Garmische, and stayed at the Eibsee Resort, at the foot of the Zugspitze.
Beautiful area, but I wouldn't stay here more than a night. The resort rents bikes...we rode around the perimeter of the Eibsee Lake and also took a boat ride. My kids were pretty bored here, but my husband and I enjoyed the scenic beauty of the area.
Not sure if you are planning to visit Salzburg, but that is also worth a few nights if you have time.
Berschtegaden is lovely, and if you are interested in WW2 history, a few hours at Hitler's bunkers might be of interest to you.
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Thanks for the info!
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Old Jan 27th, 2015, 10:32 AM
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im looking at lodging for Garmisch. Want to be walking distance to train and sights if possible. Ideas?
Thank you!
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Also, the more I look at this itinerary, the more it seems I am packing too much in. I want to remember the trip, not have it be a blur of activity. What if I take Nuremberg out completely and split my time between GP, Rhine, and Mosel?
If you were first timers where would you spend your time?
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You're packing in a lot, but with your base town strategy, you have a lot of flexibility. If you don't feel like doing a day trip, you stay "home." Generally I think your itinerary is mostly doable.

If you still feel too much go-go-pressure, what you might do is make some small adjustments to relax it a little.

The itin. at present gives you 3 nights in Garmisch, 4 in Nuremberg, 1 in Würzburg.

So you might try two things:
1.) Switch your Nuremberg base to a smaller, quieter town that still allows for those day trips if you want to do them. You could use Iphofen. Or maybe Neustadt-an-der-Aisch (I've used it twice as a base town for the area.) Both towns would be good for relaxing stuff - a stroll, a bike ride, quiet time on the balcony of your apartment, whatever.

2.) Maybe you drop the overnight in Würzburg and add a night to Garmisch for more down time there. That means one less move.

(For Würzburg, you can still see it, if you want, on the way to Boppard from Iphofen or Neustadt - or as a short day trip from Iphofen/Neustadt. A day trip to Rothenburg would work too.)
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Iphofen town brochure:
http://www.iphofen.de/download/ortsp...sch_100510.pdf

About Neustadt as a base town option:

Train time to...
Würzburg, 40 min.
Nuremberg, 30 min.
Bad Windhseim, 20 min.
Bamberg, 1 hr. 20 min.
Rothenburg, 1 hr., 10 min.

(Iphofen is on the same train line between Würzburg and Nuremberg as Neustadt is. It's a little closer to Bamberg, Würzburg and Rothenburg, a little farther from Nuremberg and Bad Windsheim.)

Rental possibility in Neustadt:
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p2109442

Around Neustadt:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_Tor-009.jpg
Photos:
http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.org...&postID=182279
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Old Jan 27th, 2015, 02:20 PM
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From an earlier post of mine:

We recently stayed in G-P here:

https://www.hoteledelweiss.de/language/en

Really nice. Near the train station,TI,a park with nightly concerts, walking distance to the pedestrian zone and many shops and restaurants. Great breakfast.Nice rooms,public areas. I highly recommend the family owned Hotel Edelweiss.

There is no location near the sights because the "sights" are the whole region.

You have the arrival day and three (now you are thinking more) full days and a lot to choose from for your stay in GP. One day you might see Schloss Linderhof, Oberammergau, and Kloster Ettal. There are some nice walks around GP,Partnach Gorge,Wank, etc. There are several cable cars you can ride-Alpspitzbahn, Kreuzeckbahn, and Hausbergbahn. You can also go to the top of Germany's highest mountain-the Zugspitze $$$. Also the pretty mountain resort of Mittenwald referred to as a "living picturebook".Karwendelbahn cable car in Mittenwald. On the main street in Mittenwald there is a konditorei with pastries to die for. Just sit outside eating pastries and drinking coffee and watch the world go by. You can do all this using bus transportation, hiring a personal guide, or renting a car. The alps and alpine villages are a good introduction to your vacation!
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I have revised a little:
Day 1
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Day 1-2 Fly into Munich
Day 2 Train to Garmisch 4 nights
Day 3 Garmisch – hiking, Zugspitze/Murnau -Griesbrau
Day 4 Garmisch to Mittenwald
Day 5 Garmisch to Neuschwanstein/Hohenschwangau
Hike to Mary’s Bridge
Day 6 Garmisch to Munich: stow bags, Train to Dachau and back Train to Nuremberg 4 nights (long day)
(or as Fuss suggested, a different base)
Day 7 Day in Nuremberg
Day 8 Day trip to Bamberg
Day 9 Day trip to Bad Windsheim
http://freilandmuseum.de/startseite/information- en.html
Day 10 Nuremberg Rothenburg then on to Boppard (long day)
Day 11 Boppard
Day 12 Boppard
Day 13 Boppard
Day 14 Boppard 1/2 day then to Cochem 1/2 day
Day 15 Cochem
Day 16 Mosel
Day 17 Mosel bike to Zell
Day 18 Cochem early train to Frankfurt – Fly home

Im cutting out Wurzberg for more time at Rhine and Mosel, and one less stop over.

Yes, dugi_otok, I checked the hotel you suggested, but became confused by the size of the beds! I meant to look it up but didn't get to it.

About Boppard lodging?
I have Cochem but will have to adjust for 1 more day
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A pleasent bus ride to the castles

Garmisch-Partenkirchen Bahnhof Th, 16.04.15 dep 07:50 Bus 9606 Bus Direction: Echelsbacher Brücke, Rottenbuch
Partenkirchen Werdenfelser Pl., Garmisch-Partenkir dep 07:53
Partenkirchen Friedhof, Garmisch-Partenkirchen dep 07:55
Partenkirchen Loisachauen, Garmisch-Partenkirchen dep 07:57
Maibaum, Farchant dep 08:00
Oberau Bahnhof dep 08:04
Untermberg, Oberau dep 08:06
Am Berg, Ettal dep 08:12
Klostergasthof, Ettal dep 08:14
Abzw. Zieglerhof, Ettal dep 08:15
Rainenbichl, Oberammergau dep 08:20
Nato-Schule, Oberammergau dep 08:21
Aufackerstraße, Oberammergau dep 08:22
Tiroler Gasse, Oberammergau dep 08:25
Eugen-Papst-Str., Oberammergau dep 08:27
Oberammergau Bahnhof dep 08:30
Unterammergau Rathaus dep 08:34
Ammerbrücke, Unterammergau dep 08:36
Scherenau, Unterammergau dep 08:37
Wurmansau, Saulgrub dep 08:38
Altenau Abzw, Saulgrub dep 08:39
Saulgrub Bahnhof dep 08:42
Eisplatz, Bad Bayersoien dep 08:47
Gh. Weißes Roß, Bad Bayersoien dep 08:49
Gschwendt, Bad Bayersoien dep 08:50
Echelsbach, Bad Bayersoien dep 08:51
Echelsbacher Brücke, Rottenbuch Th, 16.04.15 arr 08:55
Transfer time 5 min.
Adjust the transfer time
Echelsbacher Brücke, Rottenbuch Th, 16.04.15 dep 09:00 Bus 73 Bus Direction: Füssen Bahnhof
Schwaigsee, Rottenbuch dep 09:02
Wildsteig Ortsmitte dep 09:04
Seemühle, Wildsteig dep 09:05
Kohlhofen Abzw. Wieskirche, Steingaden
Wies Abzw. Landvolkshochschule, Steingaden
Wieskirche, Steingaden
Wies Abzw. Landvolkshochschule, Steingaden
Ammergauer Str., Steingaden dep 09:15
Steingaden Feuerwehrhaus dep 09:20
Biberschwöll, Steingaden dep 09:23
Brandstatt, Steingaden dep 09:23
Schlauch, Steingaden dep 09:24
Sera, Halblech-Unterreithen dep 09:26
Ried, Halblech-Trauchgau dep 09:27
Trauchgau Gh. Post, Halblech dep 09:28
Halblech Ortsmitte dep 09:30
Buching Ortsmitte, Halblech dep 09:32
Buching Sesselbahn, Halblech dep 09:33
Bannwaldsee, Schwangau dep 09:35
Berghausstraße, Schwangau dep 09:36
Mühlberg, Schwangau dep 09:37
Tegelbergbahn, Schwangau
Falkenlager, Schwangau
Schwangau Rathaus dep 09:43
Gipsmühlweg, Schwangau dep 09:44
Hohenschwangau, Schwangau (Schlösser)
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The beds are huge. Click on image 1. Germany- 2 beds pushed together.
https://www.hoteledelweiss.de/room/superiorroom
You make life too complicated!
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"Day 10 Nuremberg Rothenburg then on to Boppard (long day)"

Even when you were only headed to Würzburg, this probably wasn't going to be an easy trip for you, now that I think about it...

But now, it's not only a longer day (6+ hours just for the train ride.) It's at least 6 or 7 different trains too. And you are schlepping your bags the whole time off and on. That would be no problem for me (even at my advanced age) as I manage with a pack not much larger than a school kid's book bag. But it may not work for everyone (which I know, because I usually carry some of my DW's stuff for her.)

If the bags will be a problem for you... you can skip Rothenburg (which is the advice I might give my best friends anyway, as Rothenburg is way more than a tad kitschy and touristy, Käthe-Wohlfart, Schneeballen, aargh) and make a beeline for Boppard (2 trains, 4 hours.)

But I sense you believe Rothenburg is a must. What to do? You could make it a day trip from Nuremberg so that you have no bags when you go there... and to accomplish that, you could easily swipe a night from your 8-night-stay on the Rhine and Mosel and add it to Nuremberg for this purpose. That means you would have night 10 in Nuremberg (for a 5th night,) not Boppard. But you would arrive in Boppard around 12 or 13:00 on Day 11 (instead of really late on Day 10) so you really aren't sacrificing much at all of your actual sightseeing time on the Rhine.
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