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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 08:36 AM
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Yes. Schoenberg is part of the Second Viennese School (along with Webern and Berg). His fame has obviously eclipsed that of Zemlinsky's.

Ok, you can take over now. I'll try not to play this game at all this week.

By the way, I could use a new job that involves trivia, if anyone knows of any.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 08:37 AM
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< He and two other composers are members of what's commonly referred to as the blah blah blah. >

The second viennese school: Schoenberg, Berg & Webern
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 08:40 AM
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By the way, trivia about Webern -- he was shot mistakenly after the War was over. The irony.

Supposedly the most austere of the three, and his output lasts just three hours -- if you can bear to listen to it.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 08:47 AM
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I usually avoid attending concerts that feature any of the above composers. Call me "old-fashioned".

Unbeknownst to be, turns out that my BF has a CD with The Moldau by Semtana. I listened to it this weekend and really enjoyed it.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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I don't think that I've listened to the Moldau complete, but I've heard that most famous bit and can actually hum it.

I've been becoming more adventurous in my concert going. I think that I've heard the Berg Violin Concerto at least twice now -- people claim it's one of the most accessible works of the Second Viennese School. Give it a try. It takes some getting used to at first, but the finale quotes a Bach chorale and then transforms it.

Not all of Schoenberg's works are atonal. Actually a well-known piece is "Verklaerte Nacht" ("Transfigured Night&quot. It's actually quite nice -- it's late romantic. The original version is one for string sextet, I think, but there's an orchestral version.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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This freed-slave (3 words: 6,7,4, "r" is 3rd letter of last name) invented this (9 letters) in order to record speeches of the senate. One of his invention was this symbol (one character) which we still use these days (the symbol has been used in this thread).
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 09:02 AM
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I found part of the answer already, but I really should not play.

Not sure what the symbol is though -- the ampersand?

This one is a fun clue.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 09:48 AM
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You're on the right track. But I guess I shouldn't say anymore as you are not playing this thread this week...
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 09:56 AM
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Well, ok, I Googled the answer an hour ago --

Marcus Tullius Tiro for shorthand.

http://www.ualberta.ca/~sreimer/ms-c...e/abbrevtn.htm

But is the symbol an ampersand?
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 09:57 AM
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At first I thought "freed slave" "senate" -- isn't that the US instead of Europe? And then...inspiration! (Thanks to the ampersand clue.)

Marcus Tullius Tiro invented a form of shorthand to record the speeches of the Roman Senate. Right?

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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 09:58 AM
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I yield to 111op.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:01 AM
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Nah, you give us a clue, KT. I should be working.

I do want to know if it's the ampersand symbol though. I didn't want to respond initially, but I figured that I should be vain and tell everyone that I know it but am not playing.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:03 AM
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Yes, both correct.
The symbol I have in mind is &. It was ET in Latin, which Tiro shorthanded it into &.
However, the term "ampersand" did not come into history until much later. & was supposed to be the 27th letter of the alphabet. When the alphabet was recited, it ended with "and per se and" which became "ampersand".

111op & KT you two and fight over who gives the next clue!
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:04 AM
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KT can take it.

I'm researching another clue though in case I need to use it in the future.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:07 AM
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OK, give me a couple of minutes. I don't promise it will be nearly as elaborate as the ones you experts write, though.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:10 AM
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Oh, I do that only to show off and because I've too much time on my hands.

It won't take much to stump me.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:22 AM
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A famous painting cycle in a city of masks and glass.

The exact location of the cycle, kind of a predecessor to a frat house, is 5 words (6, 6, 2, 3, 5).

The first word starts with the S in Marcus. The penultimate word starts with the S in Tullius. The last word begins with the R in Tiro.

And the artist is 10 letters, 8th letter T as in Tullius.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:24 AM
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I know the answer already, but I'll let someone else take a crack.

Nice clue.
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:25 AM
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P.S. Clues are available on request (and if I can think of any good clues!)
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Old Sep 13th, 2004 | 10:27 AM
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Jeeze, 111op, you're speedy. And I meant hints, not clues, are available, but you obviously don't need them.

Now let's just wait a little....
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