Easter weekend in HAMBURG
Oct 6th, 2006, 08:28 AM
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Thanks Bellacqui! I am considering of taking my daughter to Schanzenviertel especially towards Eimsbuttel or at least Markstr as hsv suggested. What does edgy in a European way mean? Less violence, less dirty or less drugs? I'm a bit surprised that you suggested Lange Reihe bordering St Georg as a better alternative to Schanzenviertel. I've been to St Georg per Hyatt's concierge recommendation for a nearby local winestore. I have to study Ottenseen, but as far as Blankenese, we've had a taxi tour of it, I thought it was just a nice neighborhood to stroll, not sure a teenager would be all excited about it.
As you probably can tell, I'm a dad who's trying hard to maintain a close connection with his daughter as she's entering her midteen stage, so excuse my nitpicking. I can no longer make my kids do what I like so I try to go with what they like.
As you probably can tell, I'm a dad who's trying hard to maintain a close connection with his daughter as she's entering her midteen stage, so excuse my nitpicking. I can no longer make my kids do what I like so I try to go with what they like.
Oct 6th, 2006, 09:58 AM
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Bellacqui's suggestion of Winterhude appeals to me, too. Muehlenkamp/ Poelchaukamp and Gertigstr. might have some stores of interest - but it is getting upscale (as is the Schanzenviertel BTW - way to go, but it seems to be inhabited predominantly by advertising agents and even quite a few young lawyers who try to maintain a hip image these days. The streetfighters of past days have long lost their fight - and as I read the other day may indeed have caused the gentrification of the area by attracting an established crowd that enjoys the subcultural image).
Only one correction to bellacqui's remarks: Cucinaria has moved from the Schanzenviertel to Eppendorf - they are now to be found in the new Falkenried complex.
Only one correction to bellacqui's remarks: Cucinaria has moved from the Schanzenviertel to Eppendorf - they are now to be found in the new Falkenried complex.
Oct 6th, 2006, 12:07 PM
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I am not surprised that Cucinaria moved, hsv, after that new construction in the Schanzenviertel blocked the visual entrance (dirt parking lot) to his place. I hope he has success in Eppendorf.
It seems that all of HH has gone upscale. Lange Reihe is a great area, very colorful, and near to the art museum, the Museum for Arts and Crafts (Kunst und Gewerbe) and to the Alster as well. I always liked it, anyway! Ethnic and relaxed. Right, Blankenese is a bit more conservative, but the water views are great. I have a bias because it was my jogging route and I lived there for several years. The waterfront is very laid back in comparison to the "I'm too sexy for my Jil Sander Suit" crowd which walks around the Alster on Sundays. For more hip action head down to Ovelgönne and the Strandperle for a beer, and das Weisse Haus (if you can get a table).
The outdoor market still happens on Easter Saturday in Blankenese. All the shops in the Innenstadt will be open. Reserve for dinner somewhere if you want someplace special (Fischereihafen, Das Weisse Haus, Schlachterbörse, etc.) Sunday will be dead pretty much.
It seems that all of HH has gone upscale. Lange Reihe is a great area, very colorful, and near to the art museum, the Museum for Arts and Crafts (Kunst und Gewerbe) and to the Alster as well. I always liked it, anyway! Ethnic and relaxed. Right, Blankenese is a bit more conservative, but the water views are great. I have a bias because it was my jogging route and I lived there for several years. The waterfront is very laid back in comparison to the "I'm too sexy for my Jil Sander Suit" crowd which walks around the Alster on Sundays. For more hip action head down to Ovelgönne and the Strandperle for a beer, and das Weisse Haus (if you can get a table).
The outdoor market still happens on Easter Saturday in Blankenese. All the shops in the Innenstadt will be open. Reserve for dinner somewhere if you want someplace special (Fischereihafen, Das Weisse Haus, Schlachterbörse, etc.) Sunday will be dead pretty much.
Oct 6th, 2006, 03:44 PM
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Thanks to both of you. I see that the area you're recommending is in the southern end of Winterhude closer to Uhlendorst. What's the best U/S bahn station to use? You do mean that the area has stores for young teens? I don't enjoy shopping for myself(it's a chore for me) unless it's for wine or music.
Oct 8th, 2006, 09:56 AM
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DAX,
in order to get to the Mühlenkamp/Gertigstr./Dorotheenstr./Poelchaukamp area in Winterhude, it would be best to take Metrobus Line 6 in the direction of U Borgweg.
Accessibility through trains (either S-Bahn or U-Bahn) is not very efficient there. It is only a 15 minute bus ride from Hauptbahnhof, though.
Alternatively, you could take an Alsterdampfer and unboard at Muehlenkamper Faehrhaus or Krugkoppelbruecke/ Leinpfad, but prices are always a bit hefty on those Alster boats if one uses them for transportation purposes only, as they are not incorporated in the public transport network.
I am not quite sure yet, which stores would in particular cater to teens there, but will take a special look next time I pass through.
Have you made a decision regarding the hotel yet? Just wanted to add that I believe the Hamburg Madison, while certainly up-to-date, may not be as focused on modern design as the Mandala would be.
If design comes in as factor, the Dorint Sofitel might be the better option. And I am surprised to hear me say that as I usually do not care too much for the French Accor chain. But having stayed at the Munich Dorint Sofitel Bayerpost, they have convinced me that they do in fact own a few noteworthy properties.
As the Hamburg one must have been planned at about the same time as the Munich one (the days when Dorint was still a German brand that tried hard to leave its own days of mediocrity behind and when they had not been taken over by Accor yet), the Dorint Sofitel Am Alten Wall might be worth trying - provided you get a favourable rate. A friend of mine stayed there a few times on business and loved it.
in order to get to the Mühlenkamp/Gertigstr./Dorotheenstr./Poelchaukamp area in Winterhude, it would be best to take Metrobus Line 6 in the direction of U Borgweg.
Accessibility through trains (either S-Bahn or U-Bahn) is not very efficient there. It is only a 15 minute bus ride from Hauptbahnhof, though.
Alternatively, you could take an Alsterdampfer and unboard at Muehlenkamper Faehrhaus or Krugkoppelbruecke/ Leinpfad, but prices are always a bit hefty on those Alster boats if one uses them for transportation purposes only, as they are not incorporated in the public transport network.
I am not quite sure yet, which stores would in particular cater to teens there, but will take a special look next time I pass through.
Have you made a decision regarding the hotel yet? Just wanted to add that I believe the Hamburg Madison, while certainly up-to-date, may not be as focused on modern design as the Mandala would be.
If design comes in as factor, the Dorint Sofitel might be the better option. And I am surprised to hear me say that as I usually do not care too much for the French Accor chain. But having stayed at the Munich Dorint Sofitel Bayerpost, they have convinced me that they do in fact own a few noteworthy properties.
As the Hamburg one must have been planned at about the same time as the Munich one (the days when Dorint was still a German brand that tried hard to leave its own days of mediocrity behind and when they had not been taken over by Accor yet), the Dorint Sofitel Am Alten Wall might be worth trying - provided you get a favourable rate. A friend of mine stayed there a few times on business and loved it.
Oct 8th, 2006, 02:05 PM
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I've booked ourselves at the Hyatt for now but actually I intend to break the Hyatt habit for this trip, just so that we get exposed to a different area. I dropped the Madison option per your explanation. I'll look into the Dorint Sofitel after my seminar & trade show trip to Stuttgart/Berlin this month, your Dorint design logic makes sense, so it's not just another Accor hotel.
My daughter just showed me a website about a brand new mega mall (Europa Passage?) in Jungfernstieg that she wants to go. I actually remember the large construction area from Jungfernstieg to Moenckebergstr as we were looking for a restaurant that was torn down during our last visit.
My daughter just showed me a website about a brand new mega mall (Europa Passage?) in Jungfernstieg that she wants to go. I actually remember the large construction area from Jungfernstieg to Moenckebergstr as we were looking for a restaurant that was torn down during our last visit.
Oct 10th, 2006, 12:42 AM
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You might want to think about the Side Hotel, which is near Gansemarkt as an option to the Hyatt. www.side-hotel.de
Oct 10th, 2006, 01:46 PM
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Thanks, the Side Hotel rooms look impressive! We have to wait for the room packages in 2007. How about the location? North of the Gaensemarkt toward the Dampftorbhanhof? My daughter was hoping to stay closer to the Jungfernstieg area so I will let her go to the new giant Europa Passage on her own if I get tired of walking the shops with her. She's just entering the stage where she really enjoys shoooooooping and she chooses Hamburg for that reason.
Oct 12th, 2006, 10:57 PM
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I don't want to rain on your daughter's parade, but I took a first glance at the newly opened Europa Passage yesterday - and wasn't that impressed at all.
IMHO it poses an accumulation of disappointingly mediocre shops (with a few exceptions maybe) in an architecturally rather bland environment. It rather escapes me why it draws the crowds as it currently does. What bugs me most is that they incorporated a traditional street into the building - and destroyed one of the few axes of sight towards City Hall by putting an uninspired glass cube in its way.
That said, maybe those shops are indeed appealing to teenagers - your daughter may find out. In any case the Thomas I-Punkt store I recommended before is located right across the street from the Southern exit of the Europa Passage.
The Alstertal shopping center mentioned before for its Lino and Closed shops on the other hand just has been significantly expanded (approx. 240 shops catering predominantly to an affluent clientele of Hamburg's Northern suburbs of the Alstertal and the Walddoerfer) and does offer a shopping environment even I (usually hating to go shopping) find satisfactory.
The Alster River is just a few steps behind the building, and you could take a nice walk up-river while your daughter takes a look at the shops. There is also a canoe rental at Marienhof only a 5 minute walk away and The Locks Restaurant (also at Marienhof, just across the big road labelled Ring 3) overlooking the Alster features tasty international fare and good wines in a rustic environment.
The Side Hotel is on Drehbahn, a small unimpressive side street of Stephansplatz opposite the Opera House. It faces a public parking garage, but was designed by very renowned architect Jan Stoermer of Hamburg with interior design executed by Mateo Thun of Milan. The interior is quite nice once you have found its well hidden entrance. I cannot comment on the rooms - but in case you book there, I'd ask them if they come with all-glass-walled bathrooms, which is a factor you might want to consider (whether you'd find this appropriate for the purpose of your trip). I, of course, do not know the rooms, but am not sure whether I might have heard something to that extent.
The location isn't bad: It's only steps from Gaensemarkt and all of the shopping areas (including Europa Passage) are easily walkable.
In fact in this respect it is basically a toss-up with the Sofitel.
The Sofitel is better located, though, should you want to walk into the Speicherstadt/ HafenCity.
A choice between the two places would be a tough call IMHO. The Side just received an award for being one of the best business hotels in Germany, but reviews on TripAdvisor are rather mixed. They did have some service issues right after their launch a few years ago, but are said to have solved those problems.
The Sofitel's lobby on the other hand easily leaves an impression of being a bit sterile. It could have a bit on an airier feel about it, though, as there is a bit more room to the next buildings (it entrance area is rather wide and the back is lined by a canal).
I guess if it came down to choosing between the two, I'd have a slight preference for the Sofitel, but I'd probably go with the better deal.
IMHO it poses an accumulation of disappointingly mediocre shops (with a few exceptions maybe) in an architecturally rather bland environment. It rather escapes me why it draws the crowds as it currently does. What bugs me most is that they incorporated a traditional street into the building - and destroyed one of the few axes of sight towards City Hall by putting an uninspired glass cube in its way.
That said, maybe those shops are indeed appealing to teenagers - your daughter may find out. In any case the Thomas I-Punkt store I recommended before is located right across the street from the Southern exit of the Europa Passage.
The Alstertal shopping center mentioned before for its Lino and Closed shops on the other hand just has been significantly expanded (approx. 240 shops catering predominantly to an affluent clientele of Hamburg's Northern suburbs of the Alstertal and the Walddoerfer) and does offer a shopping environment even I (usually hating to go shopping) find satisfactory.
The Alster River is just a few steps behind the building, and you could take a nice walk up-river while your daughter takes a look at the shops. There is also a canoe rental at Marienhof only a 5 minute walk away and The Locks Restaurant (also at Marienhof, just across the big road labelled Ring 3) overlooking the Alster features tasty international fare and good wines in a rustic environment.
The Side Hotel is on Drehbahn, a small unimpressive side street of Stephansplatz opposite the Opera House. It faces a public parking garage, but was designed by very renowned architect Jan Stoermer of Hamburg with interior design executed by Mateo Thun of Milan. The interior is quite nice once you have found its well hidden entrance. I cannot comment on the rooms - but in case you book there, I'd ask them if they come with all-glass-walled bathrooms, which is a factor you might want to consider (whether you'd find this appropriate for the purpose of your trip). I, of course, do not know the rooms, but am not sure whether I might have heard something to that extent.
The location isn't bad: It's only steps from Gaensemarkt and all of the shopping areas (including Europa Passage) are easily walkable.
In fact in this respect it is basically a toss-up with the Sofitel.
The Sofitel is better located, though, should you want to walk into the Speicherstadt/ HafenCity.
A choice between the two places would be a tough call IMHO. The Side just received an award for being one of the best business hotels in Germany, but reviews on TripAdvisor are rather mixed. They did have some service issues right after their launch a few years ago, but are said to have solved those problems.
The Sofitel's lobby on the other hand easily leaves an impression of being a bit sterile. It could have a bit on an airier feel about it, though, as there is a bit more room to the next buildings (it entrance area is rather wide and the back is lined by a canal).
I guess if it came down to choosing between the two, I'd have a slight preference for the Sofitel, but I'd probably go with the better deal.
Oct 12th, 2006, 11:00 PM
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Just one follow-up, not to create a false impression: The Alstertal shopping center is not exactly focused on teenagers - although they might find something to please them, too. This would just be an option if it is either raining, or if you should decide you want to explore the Northern periphery.
Oct 13th, 2006, 08:11 PM
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Thanks hsv.
We'll keep in mind about the Thomas I Punkt and Alstertal's Lino. What really caught my attention is the canoe rental; it may just be the fun thing for us to do on a clear day rather than the H. Dom. Does one have to row it back to the original rental station or do they have another station that we can drop the canoe off? It would be great if I can have their website or address/phone. Poppenbuettel is more north than the airport isn't it?
Oct 14th, 2006, 04:02 AM
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Can't resist to add to this. I always found downtown (Jungfernstieg/M-bergstrasse, etc) shopping boring and average. That downtown mall project has been under construction forever, but somehow, hsv, I am not surprised that the shops amount to more of the same. There are some ok stores inside of the mediocre stuff, but Hamburg never, ever struck me as a great shopping city.... not by a long shot. Berlin is FAR better for shopping, IMHO. That is my assessment after nine years of living in the Hansestadt.
Alstertal? You would have to drug and kidnap me to get me to go to Poppenbüttel to go shopping. An ok/average mall in a boring area. Poppenbüttel is a suburb. Sure, the Alster river runs behind there, and if you were into doing some biking, I'd say take an Alster bike ride starting in town and riding out to that area... but... as a distination when you have one weekend? Oh, Lord, no way.
It has all already been said. Go to Langhe Reihe. Winterhude. Eppendorf. Ottensen. Schanzenviertel. The Hamburg Art Museum, Kunst und Gewerbe Museum. And a little bit of the Alster and the Jungfernstieg thrown in for good measure. The Sofitel, The Side hotel, maybe the Alster Blick Hotel over on the Aussenalster (nice rooms, good rates. That is more than enough to keep you all busy for a few days...
Alstertal? You would have to drug and kidnap me to get me to go to Poppenbüttel to go shopping. An ok/average mall in a boring area. Poppenbüttel is a suburb. Sure, the Alster river runs behind there, and if you were into doing some biking, I'd say take an Alster bike ride starting in town and riding out to that area... but... as a distination when you have one weekend? Oh, Lord, no way.
It has all already been said. Go to Langhe Reihe. Winterhude. Eppendorf. Ottensen. Schanzenviertel. The Hamburg Art Museum, Kunst und Gewerbe Museum. And a little bit of the Alster and the Jungfernstieg thrown in for good measure. The Sofitel, The Side hotel, maybe the Alster Blick Hotel over on the Aussenalster (nice rooms, good rates. That is more than enough to keep you all busy for a few days...
Oct 14th, 2006, 05:21 AM
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Bellacqui: Appreciate your comments very much. I shall do a research on Ottensen which I remember your mentioning though not specific of what's there (I'm assuming along the line of Schanzenviertel, Lange Reihe?).
My wife often said to me that Germany in general is just not a country of great shopping for her because German fashion marches to a different drum (compared to France, Italy or even Belgium) but we don't know much about the teenager stuff. I personally always enjoy hunting for wine, European music & German/Dutch films that I can't get in the US.
hsv:
While the destination is very important to my kids, I mostly value the "one on one" communication that I get when I travel with them. Often times we would walk great distances from one destination to another and not felt it, other times it would seem tedious so the canoe transportation may be a great alternative as it offers privacy and ease of operation requiring less concentration.
My wife often said to me that Germany in general is just not a country of great shopping for her because German fashion marches to a different drum (compared to France, Italy or even Belgium) but we don't know much about the teenager stuff. I personally always enjoy hunting for wine, European music & German/Dutch films that I can't get in the US.
hsv:
While the destination is very important to my kids, I mostly value the "one on one" communication that I get when I travel with them. Often times we would walk great distances from one destination to another and not felt it, other times it would seem tedious so the canoe transportation may be a great alternative as it offers privacy and ease of operation requiring less concentration.
Oct 14th, 2006, 10:07 PM
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Yes, DAX, Ottensen is a district the western part of Altona which is funky and multi-ethnic. There are lots of fun shops and great international, cheaper restaurants. The Mercado (I think I mentioned this) is a shopping mall (some good shops, some mediocre ones) with a really nice food court in the basement.
Berlin is a city with more of an exploding creative scene which pushes the envelope. In Hamburg, adherence to tradition and a hanseatic attitude is more highly appreciated over creativity. I attibute this as being the major reason why Hamburg shopping tends to be boring in comparison to Berlin.
On another note, after last evening I just hope that tradition-steeped Hamburg manages to keep at least one team in the Bundesliga after this season!
Berlin is a city with more of an exploding creative scene which pushes the envelope. In Hamburg, adherence to tradition and a hanseatic attitude is more highly appreciated over creativity. I attibute this as being the major reason why Hamburg shopping tends to be boring in comparison to Berlin.
On another note, after last evening I just hope that tradition-steeped Hamburg manages to keep at least one team in the Bundesliga after this season!
Oct 14th, 2006, 11:43 PM
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bellacqui,
I thought I had made it perfectly clear that I do not necessarily consider the Alstertal Shopping Center a worthwhile occupation for a tourist.
However, DAX will not exactly be around for the first time and certainly appears to be familiar with most of what the city has to offer. Thus, I consider it perfectly acceptable to point out a few more mundane things. And then there is always a chance that the weather around Easter will not be too pleasant for outdoor shopping, so a mall might turn out to be an option if shopping is on the agenda as suggested by DAX.
I happen to disagree profoundly regarding the quality of Mercado and AEZ shopping malls. The Alstertal has just expanded significantly and I would prefer it hands-down over the Mercado any day.
I also happen to disagree about the general shopping qualities of Hamburg, too - but as our differences appear to be quite obvious, I won't bother to argue here. To each his own, I suppose.
And don't worry, about the football team - a momentary slump happens to the best of them and the team is still capable to play among the nation's best. It's just an ongoing process of team-building that's currently in the way of immediate success.
I thought I had made it perfectly clear that I do not necessarily consider the Alstertal Shopping Center a worthwhile occupation for a tourist.
However, DAX will not exactly be around for the first time and certainly appears to be familiar with most of what the city has to offer. Thus, I consider it perfectly acceptable to point out a few more mundane things. And then there is always a chance that the weather around Easter will not be too pleasant for outdoor shopping, so a mall might turn out to be an option if shopping is on the agenda as suggested by DAX.
I happen to disagree profoundly regarding the quality of Mercado and AEZ shopping malls. The Alstertal has just expanded significantly and I would prefer it hands-down over the Mercado any day.
I also happen to disagree about the general shopping qualities of Hamburg, too - but as our differences appear to be quite obvious, I won't bother to argue here. To each his own, I suppose.
And don't worry, about the football team - a momentary slump happens to the best of them and the team is still capable to play among the nation's best. It's just an ongoing process of team-building that's currently in the way of immediate success.
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Will Travel: This website was the reason why my daughter wanted to go to Hamburg.
http://www.europa-passage.de/en/pres...essebilder.php
hsv: You're definitely the epitomy of the very loyal hsv fans, still positive despite ranking at 17 out of 18. I hope they win this Saturday with 52 thousand hopeful fans watching!
http://www.europa-passage.de/en/pres...essebilder.php
hsv: You're definitely the epitomy of the very loyal hsv fans, still positive despite ranking at 17 out of 18. I hope they win this Saturday with 52 thousand hopeful fans watching!
Jan 17th, 2007, 06:42 PM
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DAX, those pictures are very impressive. I have a feeling we'll end up there at some point.
Have you decided which hotel?
Because it's a one-night stop for us, I'm thinking of staying near the train station at the Ibis Alster (77 Euros per night cancellable). Another possibility is the Dorint Novotel Alster (82 Euros per night, prepaid). However, if there's another location that would be better, I'd consider somewhere else.
Have you decided which hotel?
Because it's a one-night stop for us, I'm thinking of staying near the train station at the Ibis Alster (77 Euros per night cancellable). Another possibility is the Dorint Novotel Alster (82 Euros per night, prepaid). However, if there's another location that would be better, I'd consider somewhere else.
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will travel: The Dorint Novotel looks to be the nicer hotel, but location wise I would pick Ibis at least it's close to the lake. I believe the Dorint is located on a busy main artery road far from any pedestrian area. You would have to walk through the St George area to get to the Train Station and Moenckebergstr or other nicer areas.St George is notorious for drug dealers and prostitution.
We prefer to stay inside downtown itself because I am planning to let my daughter shop on her own after I give her an orientation (she enjoys shopping a lot more than I can handle). I have just booked ourselves the Hyatt and Renaissance. The Hyatt is on Moenckebergstr where all the normal shops are located (very close to the train station). Renaissance is on the other side of Jungfernstieg close to the designer shops on Neuer Wall. The Europa Passage is in between the two hotels.
I don't know your dates but there are often deals to make staying inside downtown worth the experience. some parts of Hamburg can be a little rough since it is a big metropolitan. Go to the hotel website itself to find special deals: Marriott,Le Meridien,Hyatt. There are also Crowne Plaza, Atlantic near the Ibis. Let me know if I can help you further. Some people told me to do a bid for the new Dorint Sofitel for $100(see biddingfortravel.com) but I don't feel so sure about travel auction.
We prefer to stay inside downtown itself because I am planning to let my daughter shop on her own after I give her an orientation (she enjoys shopping a lot more than I can handle). I have just booked ourselves the Hyatt and Renaissance. The Hyatt is on Moenckebergstr where all the normal shops are located (very close to the train station). Renaissance is on the other side of Jungfernstieg close to the designer shops on Neuer Wall. The Europa Passage is in between the two hotels.
I don't know your dates but there are often deals to make staying inside downtown worth the experience. some parts of Hamburg can be a little rough since it is a big metropolitan. Go to the hotel website itself to find special deals: Marriott,Le Meridien,Hyatt. There are also Crowne Plaza, Atlantic near the Ibis. Let me know if I can help you further. Some people told me to do a bid for the new Dorint Sofitel for $100(see biddingfortravel.com) but I don't feel so sure about travel auction.
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DAX, Priceline looks to be a reasonable option if you bid for a 5* hotel only. If you bid for a 4* hotel, you might get the Le Meridien Stillhorn, because the Hamburg zone is really big, which would be pretty useless. The 5* hotels that have come up so far are:
Inter-Continental
Le Royal Meridien
Raffles Vier Jahreszeiten
Dorint Sofitel
Are any of these badly located? The other risk is that there is some 5* hotel on the outskirts of that Priceline zone that has not yet come up during bidding.
I totally understand the shopping issue!
Inter-Continental
Le Royal Meridien
Raffles Vier Jahreszeiten
Dorint Sofitel
Are any of these badly located? The other risk is that there is some 5* hotel on the outskirts of that Priceline zone that has not yet come up during bidding.
I totally understand the shopping issue!
