Dress Code at Vatican
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Pollyester, it's actually been common practice for some time now for women to wear pants.
I understand the apparent principle you're alluding to, that it's "casual" dress that is considered disrespectful, not the showing of bare legs beneath the knee, per se, that is considerered disrespectful.
But since kilts wouldn't be considered casual dress (or would they, any Scots out there?) shouldn't they be permitted for men, even if some bare leg is showing, under this principle?
I realize very well that one must comply with an organization's rules if one wants to see something the organization owns, and I have indeed done so in St. Peter's. However, being willing to comply with rules does not mean one must agree with them, or inconsistencies in their application.
I understand the apparent principle you're alluding to, that it's "casual" dress that is considered disrespectful, not the showing of bare legs beneath the knee, per se, that is considerered disrespectful.
But since kilts wouldn't be considered casual dress (or would they, any Scots out there?) shouldn't they be permitted for men, even if some bare leg is showing, under this principle?
I realize very well that one must comply with an organization's rules if one wants to see something the organization owns, and I have indeed done so in St. Peter's. However, being willing to comply with rules does not mean one must agree with them, or inconsistencies in their application.
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Capo - It's my understanding that kilts can run the gamut from casual (i.e., hurling competitions) to black tie weddings. What seems to make the difference re formality is what's worn on top! The highland games participants seem to favor sleeveless undershirts, while formal attire involves a jacket and dress shirt.
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Thanks, Lesli. So then, if non-casualness is the operative principle at the gates of St. Peter's, one would think that, in theory anyway, a formally-dressed kilt-wearer would be permitted inside, even if it was a man with some bare leg showing between his socks and his kilt.
Pollyesther, good question about the Pacific Islander, especially since those "wraps" are likely worn by both men and women. I wonder if a Pacific Islander woman would be let in, but a man would be refused, if they were both wearing the same kind of "wrap."
Pollyesther, good question about the Pacific Islander, especially since those "wraps" are likely worn by both men and women. I wonder if a Pacific Islander woman would be let in, but a man would be refused, if they were both wearing the same kind of "wrap."
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Good question to ponder. How about a man with high water polyesther pants, the material I love, by the way.
I have seen men in caftans in the Vatican on their Christmas Eve Mass program on tv. What if one of them had washed his caftan that afternoon and it shrunk and his calves showed? Could a man be kept from the mass because of a shrunken caftan?
These are all important questions.
I have seen men in caftans in the Vatican on their Christmas Eve Mass program on tv. What if one of them had washed his caftan that afternoon and it shrunk and his calves showed? Could a man be kept from the mass because of a shrunken caftan?
These are all important questions.
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i'm inclined to go with the dress code out of respect for the pope. if i have to dress up out of respect for God, i'm in trouble as i'm quite certain Christian theology holds that God is omnipresent. or is there a difference between omnipresent and "real presence"?