Coat for Europe in December/January

Oct 6th, 2019, 07:35 PM
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I will go to Egypt and Jordan following a week each in London and Rome, December into January so need more than cold weather clothes. I always have taken a 22” but she puffer coat will need to go in suitcase for Egypt and Jordan.
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Oct 6th, 2019, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyTrvlr View Post
I will go to Egypt and Jordan following a week each in London and Rome, December into January so need more than cold weather clothes. I always have taken a 22 but she puffer coat will need to go in suitcase for Egypt and Jordan.

That is a perfect situation for a space bag. The puffer coat would take up no more space than a sweater if you put it in a space bag. So you could still use the 22" bag. Down filled coast/vests/jackets are the most dramatic since they are mostly air so squeeze down to almost nothing.
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Oct 7th, 2019, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by janisj View Post
That is a perfect situation for a space bag. The puffer coat would take up no more space than a sweater if you put it in a space bag. So you could still use the 22" bag. Down filled coast/vests/jackets are the most dramatic since they are mostly air so squeeze down to almost nothing.
Extreme compaction of down and/or feather filled clothing is unwise as it destroys the down/feathers and therefore will ruin your jacket or coat. I would not recommend that anyone compacts down and/or feather filled garments 'down to almost nothing'. Feathers and down are very delicate and are effective because they are fluffy and trap air. When you compress them them like this, they will not return to the same level of fluff and the delicate parts of the down/feathers will break down resulting in a less effective and possibly lumpy jacket.

Down jackets compress naturally and many come with little bags made of similar fabric to the jacket, enabling a safe level of temporary compacting and also allowing your garment to breathe rather than hermetically sealing it and compacting it far beyond what's safe. Or just gently roll it up to compact it as you pack it in your case.
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Oct 7th, 2019, 08:12 AM
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Not in my experience -- I've compacted down jackets and vests many times and all returned to their original 'puffiness'/loft.
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Oct 7th, 2019, 08:28 AM
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Dreamon, am in Germany now and it’s cold (for an Aussie).
Everyone has their down jackets on.
I would prefer to be wearing leggings under my pants.
My down jacket was very much compressed in its pocket packet, it ‘feels’ less thick, but not sure if I have over squashed it or not.
I hope you have a wonderful trip.
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Oct 7th, 2019, 05:11 PM
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If you are compressing a down filled jacket here and there it shouldn't cause any damage to it. As long as you don't leave it like that for weeks on end. Simply hanging it up to settle or giving it a low tumble in a dryer will fluff it back up. If it doesn't, then most likely you need a new coat as down does break down eventually.
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Oct 9th, 2019, 09:36 AM
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Agree with all that the down coat can take the compression as long as it's not stored for weeks and months that way. That's why I "sit" on the top of the suitcase lid, sit on the coat on the plane, or stuff up in the overhead instead of doing the space bag compression. I do carry the space bag for mid- or end-of-trip laundry.

In the meantime, I found the name of the coat I bought for Paris last year online after trying on a zillion winter "puffies" in person in every type of store from discount to high end:
LL Bean Ultralight 850 Down Coat, Long
That should help you see what we're talking about. The "puffy" part is now more compact these days. More seaming.

I bought it in the Mariner Blue because I had OD'ed on black for so long in my packing life. It was a very pretty color on me, but black still would have been better. On second thought, I do remember that when people were sort of lined up at the door outside of restaurants that didn't take reservations and couldn't get in, we mysteriously got admitted. ASAP.

Yeah, I do know how to plead big time in French, but my accent hurts French ears. They can understand me right away, but they usually wince.
  • Was it the fact that I was the only one in Mariner Blue in the line outside the door? or,,,
  • Was it the fact that I'm married to a guy who looks like Harrison Ford?
We'll never know. Except that I in NO way look like Calista Flockhart.

Anyway, good luck with all the packing. I should relate the story of my sister's packing routine, which I soon learned to copy. My sister was taking a trip with her husband, his 40th birthday present to her, of a LONG trip to France, She did all the planning (control be the best gift ever) and then she packed. She shopped a month ahead; she packed a week ahead, laying everything out in some space in her house. And then she'd subtract and/or substitute something every day. And I mean EVERYDAY.

We met up with her in the airport when I was taking the two girls and myself to some hoity-toity US Southern resort (NEVER AGAIN--my husband almost divorced me AND the kids) where we had to be dressed to the nines. I had had to pack more luggage than I even knew I owned.

In contrast, my far-more-in-style sister was down to ONE big purse and a small carry-on for FOUR weeks in France. And in every picture of the trip, she looked FABULOUS.

Happy Packing and Planning,
AZ
PS--I still am experiencing Paris Trip Envy.
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Oct 9th, 2019, 10:10 AM
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AZ, do you wear a raincoat over that long down jacket?
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Oct 9th, 2019, 01:44 PM
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If you buy a jacket that's not as waterproof as you'd like then you could try Scotchgarding it with a can of spray. However, if you dry clean it you will have to Scotchgard it again.

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Oct 9th, 2019, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sassy27 View Post
If you are compressing a down filled jacket here and there it shouldn't cause any damage to it. As long as you don't leave it like that for weeks on end. Simply hanging it up to settle or giving it a low tumble in a dryer will fluff it back up. If it doesn't, then most likely you need a new coat as down does break down eventually.
I agree that down will eventually break down. So it's only logical that extreme compression via space bags will accelerate that break down process as it puts strain on the filling and the whole garment. Some people don't really care to get more than a couple of seasons out of a jacket or coat. In that case, it's not really a big deal. Just fluff it up until it's shot and then get a new one. But if you wish to get several years of service out of a down jacket (which it can easily do if taken care of), then I think it's wise to avoid space bags.
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Oct 9th, 2019, 02:51 PM
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Adelaidean Raincoat or Waterproofing the down coat..

Well, my L.L. Bean mentioned above did bead a few drops. It was sort of rain resistant. But I did not trust it, and Scotchguard and I are not good friends (that's another post). Instead, I had tucked into the coat's lovely inner pocket a packing standard...a drugstore plastic poncho.

It's our family joke. Or rather it's one of them. On every packing list, whether it's to the local amusement park or to the Jungfrauroch, I list "99 cent poncho". It will probably make our daughter's wedding this upcoming spring.

And why not? Rain storm, wind storm, snow storm, a cheap bit of plastic does it all. Why get soaked? Why sit on a wet bench? Need a picnic table cover? I have drawers full of these in two apartment coat closets.

I'm going to copy this to my girls. They'll get a kick out of it. Heck, my sons-in-law (present and future) will get a charge.

You guys get going! Travel! Enjoy!
AZ



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Oct 10th, 2019, 09:55 AM
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i think the down coat debate has to do with the quality of the jacket in the first place. I have a cute but inexpensive one for travel, I do use the stuff stack because I"m going to the tropics and that's the whole idea of the coat), but I don't expect it to last more than a few years.
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Oct 10th, 2019, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by suze View Post
i think the down coat debate has to do with the quality of the jacket in the first place. I have a cute but inexpensive one for travel, I do use the stuff stack because I"m going to the tropics and that's the whole idea of the coat), but I don't expect it to last more than a few years.
Agree. But to be clear I have no problem temporarily using my stuff sack that comes with the jacket. The issue at hand is space bags and compressing it down to nearly nothing. That creates a lot more wear and damage than the stuff sack that's designed for the jacket.

But i agree with you that there is a difference in a jacket or coat that you won't want to wear in a couple of years anyway. My down jacket is expensive but I expect to get over 12 years of life out of it. It's not going in a space bag to be flattened down to the thickness of a piece of cardboard. No way. Never got into disposable clothing. I spend a lot on shoes and I take care of them and use shoe trees. typically resoled twice for 20+ years of use. But to each his or her own. No right or wrong. But nobody should use space bags on down or feather garments and expect that it has no negative impact.
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Oct 10th, 2019, 02:55 PM
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thanks for clarification. i was not differentiating between the stuff sack that came with the jacket and using an actual compression cube or the like that sucks out the air and compresses it to nothingness.
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