Does anyone know if the spanish drink kalimotxo is "supposed" to use flat soda?

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In its truest form kalimotxo uses cheap red wine and coke, but now that it's bottle, who knows. It is also served by a restaurant in NYC called "Pamplona".

http://www.euskalnet.net/rubenp/ekalimotxo.html

Txori Bar in Seattle also serves kalimotxo.
But their "cava manzana verde" is the drink to order: cava, green apple purée and olive oil.

www.txoribar.com

Robert is right. The part with the very cheap red wine is the most important part of it (I have never managed to like it).

It is mostly a drink for youngsters. Last year a group of friends from Algorta ( nowadays upstanding members of the community, working at the big banks and so on) came forward explaining how they had to invent it back in 72 during the town festival. They had bought a wine that came out bad, and the only solution they could find was to mix it with Coke. Now, looking back, they are sorry that they never thought of registering the name. Coca-Cola did it.

BTW, the "Agua de Bilbao" mentioned in the link is simply and mere champagne. Back at the beginning of the XX century, when things were going brilliant for the Bilbao industry, it was said that people were drinking champagne like water, and that´s why the name stayed.

Bye, Cova

Cove, I had my first taste of kalimotxo in Pamplona during the fiesta in 72 (I was very, very young at the time), but it was probably introduced to us from the boys from Algorta. The only wine available after the second day was "green wine", far too biter to drink without a little help from Coca-Cola.

And then we have the variations, "pitilingorri" (red dickie, in an approx translation), red wine and lemon soda, popular some years ago where I used to live(Old Town in Bilbao)...

Hola mikel,
Our friends at Txori Bar here also serve the amusingly named pitilingorri.
How did it get its name?

Merry Christmas to you, Ana and the children!

Thanks Maribel, great to hear from you again!!

Can´t imagine where the name comes from...the gorri part surely refers to the wine...no way to associate Pitilín with lemon soda...

Sure, Mikel ?

I can certainly picture it in my mind ...

Bye, cova

I can do it too, Cova

Hmmmmmm.

ok, another question for the Basques-

At Txori Bar, they call their beer with lemon soda, a "lejilla".

Is that what you'd call it in Bilbao or Donostia?

In Pamplona we just call it a cerveza con limón. With gaseosa, it would be a "clara".

And is it really called a "champú" in Castellón? (I read that somewhere...)

Never heard such a thing, Maribel !
Just cerveza con limon also, not very popular here , though.

Hi kenderina,
Glad to know that so I won't put foot in mouth when ordering said beverage in the Comunidad Valenciana! (Never believe all that you read!!)

"Clara" in both cases, although you should specify if you want it with lemon or with "gaseosa".

I tend to prefer the one with gaseosa, unless I am in a "KAS" region, because lemon Kas is not so sweet as the Fanta. Kas was a company from Vitoria, until it was bought by Pepsi, and they have managed to maintain its tanginess.

Bye, Cova

Thanks, cova,
I prefer the clara made with gaseosa as well-more refreshing. With Fanta it's just too sweet for my taste. Didn't know that Kas was originally from Vitoria.

Maribel, Are you the author of Maribel Guides? If yes, they are awesome and were extremely helpful to us in our trip last June. Thanks a bunch!

Cova, you are not "in", the name of this beer with lemon soda is "pika", at least in the posh bars in the Getxo and beaches areas (Golfo Norte, Bambú,Peñón, Triangu,...)

I didn't see this thread when I posted my Madrid/Clara question earlier.
So in Madrid, clara con limon is with fanta,
with soda gaseosa it's just Clara.
isn't there another phrase for ordering the beer/soda version in Madrid?
If not, my memory's going.

Thanks, mikel,
So the next time I'm in a posh bar in Las Arenas, I'll order a "pika" to be one of the "in crowd"!

Comfy Shoes,
Yes, I'm one and the same. Glad you found the guides helpful.