Bringing brand new laptop to London

Apr 27th, 2008, 02:59 PM
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I'm not trying to start a platform war here but. . . .

I'm a little confused. You say in your first post that he asked for a Dell laptop but later you suggest that he uses an iMac and you seem to imply that you were the one who is thinking of buying him a Dell.

Did he ask for a Dell? If so, fine. If he isn't asking for a Dell, maybe he wants a Mac so that his two computers are compatible.
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Apr 27th, 2008, 04:30 PM
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Sorry for the confusion, sshephard. The assumption that he wants a Dell laptop came from me.

We were chatting about our family's upcoming trip there so I said if there's anything he needs from here to just let me know. His response was, "Computers seemed to be cheaper there than here (UK). My iMac is pretty new (3 y.o) but I think it's time to replace my laptop."

So I told him to let me know what kind he's thinking off. But then I started thinking about VAT and warranty and how to register for the product so I posted that question here.

Thereafter I went to the UK website of Dell to see how much price difference we're talking here. As I said, Dell didn't show that much price difference. So now I was wondering why he says or thinks computers are cheaper here. So I went to Bestbuy.com and saw that Toshiba laptops starts at $450.00 (on sale). I'm thinking he has probably seen this ad.

I also check the Apple site, in case, as you have suggested, he may be thinking of getting another Mac and MacBook (US) starts at $1099 and MacBook (UK) starts at £699 (or roughly $1400).
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Apr 27th, 2008, 04:58 PM
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Again, I'm not wanting to start a platform war but. . .

A $450 Dell and a $1100 Apple seems like a no-brainer but I think it's like comparing apples (pardon the pun) and oranges. Software? Processor speed? Ram? Wireless? Video? Etc. If your friend needs Windows, the Macbook will run Windows.

More importantly, if I were used to using a Mac, I don't know if I'd want to go back to a Windows machine. But it's your friend. . .

Why not ask your friend?
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Apr 27th, 2008, 05:56 PM
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I think he was thinking on PC's (as I was doing on my first post, sorry) and also with the currency exchange. Usually PC's are cheaper there ,other than the big brand ones where the difference is not so much as it happens with laptops.
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Apr 27th, 2008, 06:04 PM
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>>Again, I'm not wanting to start a platform war but. . .>>

But I think you want to because you are not reading my post carefully.

We left our conversation with him going to let me know what kind of laptop he wants from here!

I don't check computer prices on a daily basis and have no clue how much laptops cost nowadays much less how much they cost in other countries. So I took it upon myself to check different websites to see how much computers cost here in the US and in UK.

>>A $450 Dell and a $1100 Apple seems like a no-brainer but I think it's like comparing apples (pardon the pun) and oranges. Software? Processor speed? Ram? Wireless? Video? Etc. If your friend needs Windows, the Macbook will run Windows.>>

When did I compare a Dell and Apple? I compared a MacBook from the Apple US and UK site and I checked the cost of a Toshiba laptop at bestbuy.com

>>More importantly, if I were used to using a Mac, I don't know if I'd want to go back to a Windows machine. But it's your friend. . .>>

you're right, it not your or my choice.

>>Why not ask your friend?>>

I did. Please read my third post.


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Apr 27th, 2008, 06:23 PM
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Thank you Kenderina for your reply and input.
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Apr 27th, 2008, 10:12 PM
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>platform war
The platform war ended years ago. Apple surrenderd and now uses slightly modified Intel-Windows PCs. The fun thing is, people still think they buy something other than a Windows PC in a neat case. Apple uses cheap common "Windows components" changes their ID, so they won't be recognized a such and sell them for a much higher price.

Howerver if you think, Mac is good, buy a Leopard-License and google the Internet for "Leo4all".

There you are told, how to change a common Windows PC into a fully working Mac.
But please, buy a license first.

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Apr 27th, 2008, 10:36 PM
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"According to him, most of his friends has bought expensive laptops and cameras while on vacation here and they don't pay VAT when they go through customs. Don't know if these friends are gutsier doing this because they are entering into their own country."

They're doing it because they're breaking the law. They get away with it, because Customs can rarely be arsed checking. You'll probably get away with it too: but you're exposing yourself to risk and your "friend" is either misinformed or lying.

Since every baggage reclaim in Britain is littered with posters explaining thast ALL imports over £150 are subject to VAT and import duty, the best explanation for your "friend's" irrersponsible suggestion is he's illiterate.
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Apr 27th, 2008, 10:51 PM
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The real problem with not paying VAT (and import duties where applicable) on it is if it does go wrong (same with cameras, lenses etc which often have a worldwide warranty). The manufacturer can see from the serial number where a product was intended to be sold and when it was sold. If there is no VAT receipt for the product they will treat it as grey import and not service it - even if you offer to pay.
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Apr 28th, 2008, 02:32 AM
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Take it out of the box and put it in your hand luggage and say nothing.
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Apr 28th, 2008, 03:21 AM
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Gee, Logos, I didn't know that. If that's true, then it looks like Apple got Vista figured out and then cleverly hid it behind Leopard. You've got to hand it to Steve Jobs - first he revolutionizes the music industry and then he revolutionizes Microsoft's ineptitude.

Have you used iLife '08, Logos. It is brilliant software and if you know how I can get it to run on my Gateway PC, I'd like to know.

And now, an apology. I said this wasn't going to be a platform war and Logos999 has lured me into his trap. I won't say anything more. I promise.

Good luck, leonorek. I'm thinking that the best advice you've gotten so far concerns the legality of getting a US-bought computer into the UK. Have you seen the movie "Midnight Express?" I'm guessing UK prisons aren't that bad.
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Apr 28th, 2008, 03:26 AM
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Simple way to solve the legality problem: declare the laptop, and pay the VAT. I'm sure leonrek's friend wouldn't want him to do anything illegal on his behalf, would he?
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Apr 28th, 2008, 07:14 AM
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I am all for paying the VAT but DH and 2 sons think it's "ridiculous" (their words not mine). One son in fact is already planning what games to load on the laptop to occupy him while on the plane. (rolling eyes!!)

Platform war has been going on in my household for years! DH has gateway laptop, one son has Dell XPS for his games, another son an iMac for his moviemaking and photoshop and I use a macmini.

Thanks everyone for your replies.
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Apr 28th, 2008, 10:08 AM
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Good for you leonorek! Obeying the law is not ridiculous. Doing the right thing even when there is little chance of being caught sets an example for your sons to follow.

BTW, last time I declared something when going through British Customs, they let me through without having to pay.
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Apr 28th, 2008, 10:15 AM
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Oh, and your friend probably won't mind your son "testing" the laptop in the plane on the way over. ;-)
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Apr 28th, 2008, 09:52 PM
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>I can get it to run on my Gateway PC, I'd like to know.
Just install it on your Gateway PC, after you installed OSX on it.

http://osx86leo4all.wikidot.com/how-to-s
Just buy the fu**ing license. I'm not joking, it WORKS. Steve doesn't like it, but since he makes money on expensive no good "lifestyle" products, I'm not feeling too sorry for him. You're being ripped off!
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Apr 29th, 2008, 04:29 AM
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While I'm normally all for following the rules, I definitely think that customs duties exist to be ignored. Buy the laptop, throw out the packaging, and bring it in as if it was your own.

And, FWIW, the Apple warranty (basic and extended) are global warranties, so if you went that route, your friend would only need to take the computer into an Apple Store, assuming they live near enough.

As for Dell, they have an option to transfer the warranty to any country where they sell computers.
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Apr 29th, 2008, 04:35 AM
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travelgourmet wrote: "I definitely think that customs duties exist to be ignored."

You are advocating breaking the law.

It's a small step to taking the position that import restrictions exist to be ignored.
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Apr 29th, 2008, 04:48 AM
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It's a small step to taking the position that import restrictions exist to be ignored.

I'm all for restricting shipments of things like weapons technology, or agricultural products that pose a risk of contamination, but I'm not going to worry overly much about restrictions that are protectionist in nature. I'm a free trader.

And besides, we are not talking about import restrictions. We are talking about how much effort one should go to in order to protect the tax revenues of the UK government. The laptop is almost certainly okay to bring into the UK, it is just a question of whether you care if Her Majesty's Treasury gets their cut.
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Apr 29th, 2008, 05:19 AM
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travelgourmet wrote: "I'm all for restricting shipments of things like weapons technology, or agricultural products that pose a risk of contamination, but I'm not going to worry overly much about restrictions that are protectionist in nature. I'm a free trader."

VAT is not a protectionist measure; it is how government raises revenue. You are advocating tax evasion, not free trade.

I pay all my taxes because I believe that it is the right thing to do. My bill would be lower if everybody else also paid all that was due, but I do not feel that to be a justification for me cheating.
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