Bears in Bavaria
Jun 15th, 2006, 04:46 AM
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"They have set up two traps and hired some Finnish specialists,"
LOL, those "specialists" have four legs, a fur coat and sniffing black nose. A special dog breed (Karelian Bear Dog) that has always been used in bear hunting.
LOL, those "specialists" have four legs, a fur coat and sniffing black nose. A special dog breed (Karelian Bear Dog) that has always been used in bear hunting.
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:12 AM
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More on this bear story, it is still VERY much in the European news, and I must confess I am mystified by it all!
I was in Vienna, when I first saw reports on Viennese TV about it, - I thought, "surely I am missing something here"-surely the Govts. of Austria and Germany were not PANICING OVER ONE BROWN BEAR, WERE THEY????
Apparently so! This is not a German or Austrian "baer" (I don't know how to do an umlaut) but an ITALIAN bear that wandered over from a national park into the Austrian/German border-and, as has been somewhat breathlessly reported in the European press, "been killing a few chickens, and farm animals." The Germans believe this bear is a threat to humans in southern Germany as a result!
Okay, the GERMANS wanted to KILL it, no questions asked (easy way-just eradicate the problem....hmmm) but no less than the Italian environmental minister persuaded the Germans not to KILL THIS SINGLE BEAR, (no grizzly or polar bear here) but to shoot it with a tranquilizing gun, so it could be transported back into the national park.
This Italian "urso" (bear) has mesmerized the German public (again, hmmm...) who have christened the bear "BRUNO." Right now the hunt is "intensifying" in southern Germany for this poor "uberbear" who will undoubtedly kill thousands of humans if the Germans don't hurry up and get to it first!
Now contrast this hysterically overwrought situation with the one being reported on cnn.com in Vancouver. A woman came home the other day and found a young bear in her kitchen eating oatmeal. He had come in through a sliding glass door, broke open the container, and was sitting on the floor enjoying his find.
What did the Canadians do? Why, they just let him finish his meal and let him make his own way back to the forest from which he came. He was trashing the place, just liked what he found. And think about the Canadians who live with the killer polar bears in Churchill-they just watch the kids on Halloween, and if one of the bear patrols spot a polar getting close to town, the bear gets picked up and sent to a "polar bear jail"-where he is then transported back to his native habitat. That happens every year-no hysterical reporting about it.
What's up with the girly/men Germans and Austrians?
I think the so-called German specialists who are fruitlessly trying to find this monster uberbear maybe need to call in the Canadians for assistance, who I'm sure are laughing their arses off at this specatacle!
I was in Vienna, when I first saw reports on Viennese TV about it, - I thought, "surely I am missing something here"-surely the Govts. of Austria and Germany were not PANICING OVER ONE BROWN BEAR, WERE THEY????
Apparently so! This is not a German or Austrian "baer" (I don't know how to do an umlaut) but an ITALIAN bear that wandered over from a national park into the Austrian/German border-and, as has been somewhat breathlessly reported in the European press, "been killing a few chickens, and farm animals." The Germans believe this bear is a threat to humans in southern Germany as a result!
Okay, the GERMANS wanted to KILL it, no questions asked (easy way-just eradicate the problem....hmmm) but no less than the Italian environmental minister persuaded the Germans not to KILL THIS SINGLE BEAR, (no grizzly or polar bear here) but to shoot it with a tranquilizing gun, so it could be transported back into the national park.
This Italian "urso" (bear) has mesmerized the German public (again, hmmm...) who have christened the bear "BRUNO." Right now the hunt is "intensifying" in southern Germany for this poor "uberbear" who will undoubtedly kill thousands of humans if the Germans don't hurry up and get to it first!
Now contrast this hysterically overwrought situation with the one being reported on cnn.com in Vancouver. A woman came home the other day and found a young bear in her kitchen eating oatmeal. He had come in through a sliding glass door, broke open the container, and was sitting on the floor enjoying his find.
What did the Canadians do? Why, they just let him finish his meal and let him make his own way back to the forest from which he came. He was trashing the place, just liked what he found. And think about the Canadians who live with the killer polar bears in Churchill-they just watch the kids on Halloween, and if one of the bear patrols spot a polar getting close to town, the bear gets picked up and sent to a "polar bear jail"-where he is then transported back to his native habitat. That happens every year-no hysterical reporting about it.
What's up with the girly/men Germans and Austrians?
I think the so-called German specialists who are fruitlessly trying to find this monster uberbear maybe need to call in the Canadians for assistance, who I'm sure are laughing their arses off at this specatacle!
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:28 AM
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- Are you even remotly aware how intense the area is populated.
- The German gov. has no jurisdiction or influence weather the bear should be killed or traquillized or whatever.
- You don't excpect to meet a bear in a Bavarian forest, in Canada you do.
- Bears are no killers, just wild animals
- Someone will be injured by the bear should he move further north, no doubt about this
- The German gov. has no jurisdiction or influence weather the bear should be killed or traquillized or whatever.
- You don't excpect to meet a bear in a Bavarian forest, in Canada you do.
- Bears are no killers, just wild animals
- Someone will be injured by the bear should he move further north, no doubt about this
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:42 AM
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Oh puh-leeze Logo!!!
ALL OVER THE US there are areas where bears roam, and people live near them,(I grew up in an area where bears roamed in a forested area maybe 500 yards from our house). One little brown bear and NEVER HAVE I SEEN SUCH PANIC.
This is not a grizzly or a polar bear, who are known to kill humans (but usually not without provocation) -brown bears generally shy well away from them-and all that BS about how many "animals" have been killed by this monster brown bear in so. Germany -methinks that's just another hysterical urban myth in the making.
Give me a break! German girly/men!
ALL OVER THE US there are areas where bears roam, and people live near them,(I grew up in an area where bears roamed in a forested area maybe 500 yards from our house). One little brown bear and NEVER HAVE I SEEN SUCH PANIC.
This is not a grizzly or a polar bear, who are known to kill humans (but usually not without provocation) -brown bears generally shy well away from them-and all that BS about how many "animals" have been killed by this monster brown bear in so. Germany -methinks that's just another hysterical urban myth in the making.
Give me a break! German girly/men!
Jun 20th, 2006, 10:54 AM
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>shy well away
This one doesn't, that's one major problem. There is no panic btw. Look and learn. Germans are not nearly as bad and unintelligent as you may believe. Seeems our view of reality differs considerably.
This one doesn't, that's one major problem. There is no panic btw. Look and learn. Germans are not nearly as bad and unintelligent as you may believe. Seeems our view of reality differs considerably.
Jun 20th, 2006, 11:01 AM
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All I'm doing is laughing, Logos, laughing and shaking my head in disbelief at those crazy Germans and their fear of a single brown bear- which after almost two months, they can't even manage to track properly in order to find it and shoot it with a tranqilizer gun!
Seems like if it was terrorizing the countryside as has been reported, killing all sorts of large farm animals in its wake, then it would be quite easy to pinpoint the general location of the bear's roaming area, no?
Could it be that maybe the poor bear has been demonized by German farmers who fear it could possibly take a chicken or two, which is of course unacceptable?
Seems like if it was terrorizing the countryside as has been reported, killing all sorts of large farm animals in its wake, then it would be quite easy to pinpoint the general location of the bear's roaming area, no?
Could it be that maybe the poor bear has been demonized by German farmers who fear it could possibly take a chicken or two, which is of course unacceptable?
Jun 26th, 2006, 10:18 AM
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Well, Bruno is dead now, and the head of the German environmental group pronounced the killing as "stupid." Indeed, I find it very sad.
However, watch out Bavaria, 'cause I read that Bruno has a younger brother who is on the loose and missing-he may be wandering towards you right now, ready to lay waste to your population!
However, watch out Bavaria, 'cause I read that Bruno has a younger brother who is on the loose and missing-he may be wandering towards you right now, ready to lay waste to your population!
Jun 26th, 2006, 01:32 PM
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Bruno's story reminds me of the mountain lion episode in Sabino Canyon in Tucson a couple of years ago. Same hue and cry, even the AZ governor got involved after the lion was observed wandering in a nearby schoolyard. Well, the lion was caught and sent north to a wilderness preserve, where he/she was examined and treated for an infectyed root canal. And all the lion was looking for was a dentist!
Jun 26th, 2006, 02:05 PM
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But Treplow-here's the thing-I was raised near a heavily wooded area in a brown bear habitat-brown bears, unlike polar and grizzlies, almost never attack humans-Bruno hadn't attacked a human-he was just hungry, he was a young bear, and he killed small animals in order to eat-what's so terribly unusual about that?
And your point about mountain lions is a good one-why couldn't they have just captured it and then put it back into its northern Italian park? What, too inconvenient? The Germans who always pride themselves on their environmental stances-can't take a little "disorder?" (I mean, you would have thought Bruno was Godzilla or something, the way the Germans/Austrians were carrying on about it).
Rather than dealing with an animal problem in a humane way, they have to take the easy way out and kill a young bear?
That doesn't say much for the Germans, does it?
And your point about mountain lions is a good one-why couldn't they have just captured it and then put it back into its northern Italian park? What, too inconvenient? The Germans who always pride themselves on their environmental stances-can't take a little "disorder?" (I mean, you would have thought Bruno was Godzilla or something, the way the Germans/Austrians were carrying on about it).
Rather than dealing with an animal problem in a humane way, they have to take the easy way out and kill a young bear?
That doesn't say much for the Germans, does it?
Jun 26th, 2006, 02:45 PM
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From the AP article: The part about the rabbits is hysterical and the whole thing would almost be funny if they hadn't executed the poor thing in cold blood.
"The 2-year-old bear had dined on sheep, killed rabbits and broke into beehives.
Officials said it was only a matter of time before the 220-pound Bruno attacked a human.
"There was no other solution," said Anton Steixner, an official from the Austrian state of Tyrol.
"Even animal rights activists should understand that this bear killed sheep and tore into rabbits purely for pleasure," Steixner said. "Rabbits are also deserving of sympathy."
"The 2-year-old bear had dined on sheep, killed rabbits and broke into beehives.
Officials said it was only a matter of time before the 220-pound Bruno attacked a human.
"There was no other solution," said Anton Steixner, an official from the Austrian state of Tyrol.
"Even animal rights activists should understand that this bear killed sheep and tore into rabbits purely for pleasure," Steixner said. "Rabbits are also deserving of sympathy."
Jun 26th, 2006, 04:01 PM
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This whole thing seems so bizarre to me? I don't understand the big issue?? I recognize that the bear might have made some people a little "nervous" for lack of a better word, but in such an advanced world, you'd think that they would have avoided the most primitive of resolutions.......RIP Bruno.
Jun 26th, 2006, 04:21 PM
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It amazes me that there are people out there who exert so much energy in tracking down a bear and shooting it dead. It would have been just as easy to tranquilize and relocate the bear. I think some people who have low self esteem feel more powerful after gunning down an animal. How sad.
Jun 26th, 2006, 04:43 PM
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I don't know what it was that made them change their official position from tranquilizing to killing it-the fact that it was spotted sitting in front of a police station in Bavaria? That it ate one rabbit too many?
All those bear hunting trackers and dogs couldn't manage to get close enough to tranquilize it, yet killing it was no problem?
Europeans do like to opt for the path of least resistance-the one that requires the least amount of effort.
That bear would not have been killed in this country, nor in Canada-this story of a few days ago on CNN about a young bear found in a kitchen in Vancouver eating oatmeal is very telling:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...tmeal.bear.ap/
All those bear hunting trackers and dogs couldn't manage to get close enough to tranquilize it, yet killing it was no problem?
Europeans do like to opt for the path of least resistance-the one that requires the least amount of effort.
That bear would not have been killed in this country, nor in Canada-this story of a few days ago on CNN about a young bear found in a kitchen in Vancouver eating oatmeal is very telling:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...tmeal.bear.ap/
Jun 26th, 2006, 09:12 PM
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Well now, here's the final insult: It seems that Bruno is going to be stuffed and displayed in a Bavarian museum as the "freak" bear that he was -since none had been seen in Bavaria in over 100 years-most likely this was the Bavarian objective all along-to kill him, stuff him and mount him on the wall as a trophy! Unbelieveable.
An article from English language Italian news service, expressing Italian outrage over the killing:
http://www.ansa.it/main/notizie/awnp...6_1265585.html
An article from English language Italian news service, expressing Italian outrage over the killing:
http://www.ansa.it/main/notizie/awnp...6_1265585.html
