Ballet after Transatlantic overnight flight?
Jan 8th, 2007, 04:52 AM
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I'd do it, too, Deb, and I'm "not young" nor do I sleep on the plane! I would take a nap as soon as I could get in the hotel.
I've had tickets twice for ballet at Garnier in past few years, and the trips were cancelled for reasons beyond my control. We took the tour of the Garnier this past summer, but that's as close as I've gotten. Hope springs eternal.
Have you posted your itinerary somewhere else here? I'm eager to hear about your trip plans.
Sue
I've had tickets twice for ballet at Garnier in past few years, and the trips were cancelled for reasons beyond my control. We took the tour of the Garnier this past summer, but that's as close as I've gotten. Hope springs eternal.
Have you posted your itinerary somewhere else here? I'm eager to hear about your trip plans.
Sue
Jan 8th, 2007, 05:01 AM
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The Opera Garnier has a new service for Americans that come to see a performance on an arrival day in Paris. It is called Snooze Secure.
You simply give them your hotel address and 30E. When you doze off, and you will, they snatch you up and whisk you back to your room. They even put the program on the night stand so you rememember even being at the performance in the morning.
Tell them Degas sent and get a 2E discount.
You simply give them your hotel address and 30E. When you doze off, and you will, they snatch you up and whisk you back to your room. They even put the program on the night stand so you rememember even being at the performance in the morning.
Tell them Degas sent and get a 2E discount.
Jan 8th, 2007, 06:38 AM
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I would be cautious of Degas' advice. A friend of mine tried that service and woke up in a bathtub of ice missing a kidney.
Seriously. Last July we met a couple at the Garnier for a ballet who did just what you are talking about. In fact, we had exchanged comments here before hand and knew we were going to be seated right next to each other. They ended up leaving at the intermission -- both miserable and tired, and backs hurting from the long flight. The uncomfortable seats at the Garnier, of course, didn't help any. In all fairness however, I don't think they were big ballet fans. If you are, you might be able to get through it. I've attended many plays in London on day of arrival, and don't think I've dozed off yet.
Seriously. Last July we met a couple at the Garnier for a ballet who did just what you are talking about. In fact, we had exchanged comments here before hand and knew we were going to be seated right next to each other. They ended up leaving at the intermission -- both miserable and tired, and backs hurting from the long flight. The uncomfortable seats at the Garnier, of course, didn't help any. In all fairness however, I don't think they were big ballet fans. If you are, you might be able to get through it. I've attended many plays in London on day of arrival, and don't think I've dozed off yet.
Jan 8th, 2007, 01:03 PM
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Wow! Thanks, guys! What a surprise to see my question on the front page of the Forums. I've never been a Hot Topic before!
Well, I must consult DH, but I think I will go for it. I LOVE ballet, and I'm more than a fan. I have traveled for ballet, but I just looked up this after we bought our air tickets. This trip is planned around my brother's interest in the Retromobile car show, and we are only going at this time because of him.
We don't have a hotel but an apartment. We should get to the apartment at around noon, which is fine with RentParis.com, whom we rented from. So, I can take a nap.
As LoveItaly said, my jet lag is much worse flying east to west; it's the lack of sleep more than anything that bothers me going the other way. But I plan to take Ambien and we are lucky to have a flight that departs PHL for CDG at 8:40pm. That should help, too.
Granmere: our itinerary is so packed! This is a new trip and we cancelled our spring trip to Paris and Provence. We arrive
Thurs, Feb 15: get settled, ballet
Fri, Feb16: brother arrives, Orangerie, nice dinner
Sat. Feb 17: Meet friend from Madrid, tour and have fun. Maybe a flea market and a nice dinner
Sun: probably hit Retromobile
Mon: or maybe Retromobile, one of these two days will be Marmottan.
Tues: day trip to Chartres
Wed: some photo shows for DH, a nice dinner for two
Thurs, Feb 22: fly home
Somewhere in there, we want to hit at least one street market, and another museum or two. We plan on having many good meals, too!
Again, I appreciate all the feedback.
Well, I must consult DH, but I think I will go for it. I LOVE ballet, and I'm more than a fan. I have traveled for ballet, but I just looked up this after we bought our air tickets. This trip is planned around my brother's interest in the Retromobile car show, and we are only going at this time because of him.
We don't have a hotel but an apartment. We should get to the apartment at around noon, which is fine with RentParis.com, whom we rented from. So, I can take a nap.
As LoveItaly said, my jet lag is much worse flying east to west; it's the lack of sleep more than anything that bothers me going the other way. But I plan to take Ambien and we are lucky to have a flight that departs PHL for CDG at 8:40pm. That should help, too.
Granmere: our itinerary is so packed! This is a new trip and we cancelled our spring trip to Paris and Provence. We arrive
Thurs, Feb 15: get settled, ballet
Fri, Feb16: brother arrives, Orangerie, nice dinner
Sat. Feb 17: Meet friend from Madrid, tour and have fun. Maybe a flea market and a nice dinner
Sun: probably hit Retromobile
Mon: or maybe Retromobile, one of these two days will be Marmottan.
Tues: day trip to Chartres
Wed: some photo shows for DH, a nice dinner for two
Thurs, Feb 22: fly home
Somewhere in there, we want to hit at least one street market, and another museum or two. We plan on having many good meals, too!
Again, I appreciate all the feedback.
Jan 12th, 2007, 02:02 PM
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tuscanlifeedit,
If that was the only night I could see it, I would do it
Not only do I love ballet, but as others have said, the Opera Garnier is well worth staying awake for. Personally, I don't nap. I've stayed up until 1:00 AM without a nap, though admittedly I was very sleepy by then. I also can't sleep on planes. I think the adrenaline keeps me going.
Sandy p.s. What's the ballet?
If that was the only night I could see it, I would do it
Not only do I love ballet, but as others have said, the Opera Garnier is well worth staying awake for. Personally, I don't nap. I've stayed up until 1:00 AM without a nap, though admittedly I was very sleepy by then. I also can't sleep on planes. I think the adrenaline keeps me going.Sandy p.s. What's the ballet?
Jan 13th, 2007, 12:06 PM
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I have gone to performances several times on arrival nights. In fact, it is easier for me to stay up late the first couple nights before I am adjusted to the time change, while I am still thinking it is the middle of the afternoon.
I do always nap on arrival day, though, because I can not sleep on the plane. I don't know how people do it if they don't sleep during the day.
I do always nap on arrival day, though, because I can not sleep on the plane. I don't know how people do it if they don't sleep during the day.
Jan 13th, 2007, 07:00 PM
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Jan 22nd, 2007, 10:20 AM
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If this is important to you, and you are willing to "prepare" for it...here's is what I would do ( and have done).
Starting several days before you leave, start going to bed early, gettgin up early. When you get up early, expose yourselg to light, move around, eat,etc..As yo get nearer time to leave, start moving bedtime back more and more (I've done 3/4 hrs). Your body is now strating to move towards your new time zone.
When you get on the plane, no caffeine, no wine. Setup the console for some music, and sleep. Based on going to bed early, by the time you get on plane you will be tired already.
When you land, eat breakfast, get some sunshine, walk around...you will have less jet lag and be better prepared for your big evening. I have an idea that sleeping in the afternoon will screw up your body since you will be telling it to return to your old time zone. I know people here will recommend otherwise so maybe that's OK...but do the prework
Starting several days before you leave, start going to bed early, gettgin up early. When you get up early, expose yourselg to light, move around, eat,etc..As yo get nearer time to leave, start moving bedtime back more and more (I've done 3/4 hrs). Your body is now strating to move towards your new time zone.
When you get on the plane, no caffeine, no wine. Setup the console for some music, and sleep. Based on going to bed early, by the time you get on plane you will be tired already.
When you land, eat breakfast, get some sunshine, walk around...you will have less jet lag and be better prepared for your big evening. I have an idea that sleeping in the afternoon will screw up your body since you will be telling it to return to your old time zone. I know people here will recommend otherwise so maybe that's OK...but do the prework
Jan 22nd, 2007, 10:24 AM
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This summer, I went to see a play the first night we were in Edinburgh, after an exhausting journey via shuttle bus, two planes with a layover, and two more buses. Not surprisingly, I kept on falling asleep. (I guess I left this bit out of my trip report.) So I can't personally recommend doing this.
Jan 23rd, 2007, 05:38 PM
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Here's the sad, final outcome: I waited too long to decide, finally went online to buy the tickets, and the performance was sold out. Drat!
However, I can now convince DH to take me on a special New York/ballet visit for my birthday in April.
However, I can now convince DH to take me on a special New York/ballet visit for my birthday in April.
Jan 23rd, 2007, 05:42 PM
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Tuscanlifeedit, I have done something similar for our upcoming Paris trip. But I've read you can often get tickets the same day, because some are returned. So don't entirely lose hope! Also, it's worth phoning FNAC - I keep meaning to do that.
Jan 24th, 2007, 03:27 PM
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tuscanlifeedit,
Don't feel bad. You didn't necessarily wait too long, as I tried to get tickets for Cendrillon, and I have been trying for months. I tried FNAC early, as well as the Opera website, which told me that they wouldn't go on sale until January 17th. Well, I got online on the 17th to see if they had any tickets, and they were mostly sold out. They didn't have any for the night that we wanted to go. I rearranged our schedule and decided to buy the more expensive tickets for another night, and went back online. They had sold out within a couple of hours!
Sandy
Don't feel bad. You didn't necessarily wait too long, as I tried to get tickets for Cendrillon, and I have been trying for months. I tried FNAC early, as well as the Opera website, which told me that they wouldn't go on sale until January 17th. Well, I got online on the 17th to see if they had any tickets, and they were mostly sold out. They didn't have any for the night that we wanted to go. I rearranged our schedule and decided to buy the more expensive tickets for another night, and went back online. They had sold out within a couple of hours!
Sandy
Jan 24th, 2007, 05:30 PM
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C'est la vie, eh? I may try while we are there, but since it is the first day, I think we will just relax and do typical first day things:
Supply the apartment, take a walk to FNAC at Bastille to pick up our Retromobile tickets, rest, and have a FABULOUS dinner somewhere!
Thanks for all the help, encouragement, and consolation.
Sandy, when is your trip?
Debbie
Supply the apartment, take a walk to FNAC at Bastille to pick up our Retromobile tickets, rest, and have a FABULOUS dinner somewhere!
Thanks for all the help, encouragement, and consolation.
Sandy, when is your trip?
Debbie
Jan 24th, 2007, 10:28 PM
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Travelnut: You were very kind in helping me with ideas about securing my laptop computer so I decided to see what other things you had posted.
Interestingly enough, I am also a huge ballet fan. I've spent many years as a musician for ballet, as a matter of fact.
In answering your question, one thing comes to mind. I've heard it said that life is not a dress rehearsal. This is it. I think it's experiences that make our life that much richer. I remember when I was vacationing in Chicago how glad I was that I'd gotten a ticket to go see the opera "Turandot". My life is richer for it and for the experience of going back there again for a weekend to hear Deborah Voigt sing the lead in "Salome". If this ballet is something of great interest to you, don't hesitate. Take a nap if you can...buy some caffeine pills...but go to that ballet!
Interestingly enough, I am also a huge ballet fan. I've spent many years as a musician for ballet, as a matter of fact.
In answering your question, one thing comes to mind. I've heard it said that life is not a dress rehearsal. This is it. I think it's experiences that make our life that much richer. I remember when I was vacationing in Chicago how glad I was that I'd gotten a ticket to go see the opera "Turandot". My life is richer for it and for the experience of going back there again for a weekend to hear Deborah Voigt sing the lead in "Salome". If this ballet is something of great interest to you, don't hesitate. Take a nap if you can...buy some caffeine pills...but go to that ballet!
