Are You Making It Up? Part Dieux
May 7th, 1999, 06:14 AM
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Double gotcha back, Joanna and Donna. There actually is a church of Notre Dame in Avignon. (Just a tad smaller than the one in Paris.) It's right next to the Papal Palace. Nice try, but no bananas. DB - Good for you! Yes of course the mass was in Latin. But there is still a small white lie in my posting regarding Avignon. Can anyone find it?
May 7th, 1999, 06:46 AM
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This isn't really a travel question, but I'm sure someone here can answer it. Having grown up since Vatican II, I always assumed that all masses were no longer in Latin. Are all masses in Europe still in Latin? I've been to many European catholic churches, but I always leave before the Mass starts (I don't think it's a place for tourists), so I've never noticed what language they said the Mass in. Thanks.
May 7th, 1999, 07:26 AM
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Actually, Perry, I believe that the Popes moved from Rome to Avignon in the 1300's and I don't really think there were ever two popes. (Historians, correct me.) The lie is this: The statue of Joan of Arc is right next to the church of Notre Dame, which is right next to the Papal Palace. It is not at the top of the hill of the Pope's gardens, also they are located next to the church, and the peafowl do, indeed, roam free!
May 7th, 1999, 07:28 AM
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Regarding Masses, just about all of them around the world are no longer held in Latin. Of course, there was a scission (particularly in France which I don't know if it has been resolved) and a group of priests didn't comply. Don't know for sure, but in the Vatican there may be masses hel in Latin. <BR>In conclusion, you're right, Cherryl. I won't argue if Joanne says that the mass in Avignon was in Latin ... but her "of course" is certainlyt out of place 
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May 7th, 1999, 08:57 AM
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Joanne: You exposed my ignorance concerning Aeschylus. It had me scrambling to learn what/who that is! <BR>But no, Meteora is a real place, not something written about by the Greek Poet. <BR> <BR>Martha B: As you pointed out, it is "Meteora" and they're Monks. As for the cat's, They probably don't ride the baskets anymore, but at least two must have at one time cuz I don't know how they all got up there.There are some great websites on it. Do a search and type in Meteora It is a beautiful and unusual place..... Paul J <BR>
May 7th, 1999, 09:12 AM
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I was in London last week, and had the opportunity to use the new express train between Heathrow and Victoria Station. Fifteen minutes to the heart of Knightsbridge! Emerging from the station onto Buckingham Road, I realized I must be very near to Buckingham Palace. Sure enough, a leisurely five-minute walk later, there I was at the gates of the palace, and just in time to see the changing of the guard! Hearing them play, "Rule, Britannia" was stirring and I glanced up to the top of the palace to see if the Queen was in residence. Alas, she wasn't, but at least it meant tourists could use the shortcut through the palace grounds to enter Green Park. I crossed the park to enter Mayfair, for I had business at the U.S. embassy on Berkeley Square. An hour later and my business concluded, I walked west to Hamley's, that monument to toys on Oxford St. Now Laden with Hamley's distinctive bright red shopping bags, I snaked my way through the streets of SoHo past Covent Garden toward my final destination, the British Museum. There, I was able to hold in my hand Jane Austen's original, handwritten manuscript for "Wuthering Heights." It was an unbelievable experience! <BR> <BR>P.S.: Joanne, the Avignon popes were all French, but there were no "anti-Popes" in Rome during their 1309-1376 stay.
May 7th, 1999, 09:17 AM
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"I was in London last week, and had the opportunity to use the new express train between Heathrow and Victoria Station. Fifteen minutes to the heart of Knightsbridge! Emerging from the station onto Buckingham Road, I realized I must be very near to Buckingham Palace. Sure enough, a leisurely five-minute walk later, there I was at the gates of the palace, and just in time to see the changing of the guard! Hearing them play, "Rule, Britannia" was stirring and I glanced up to the top of the palace to see if the Queen was in residence. Alas, she wasn't, but at least it meant tourists could use the shortcut through the palace grounds to enter Green Park. I crossed the park to enter Mayfair, for I had business at the U.S. embassy on Berkeley Square. An hour later and my business concluded, I walked west to Hamley's, that monument to toys on Oxford St. Now Laden with Hamley's distinctive bright red shopping bags, I snaked my way through the streets of SoHo past Covent Garden toward my final destination, the British Museum. There, I was able to hold in my hand Jane Austen's original, handwritten manuscript for "Wuthering Heights." It was an unbelievable experience!" <BR> <BR>P.S. : Joanne, the popes of Avignon (1309-1376) were all French, but there were no "anti-Popes" in Rome. <BR>
May 7th, 1999, 09:31 AM
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Joanne: You exposed my ignorance concerning Aeschylus. It had me scrambling to learn who/what it is. But no, Meteora is a real place, not something written about by the Greek Poet. <BR> <BR>Martha B: As you pointed out, it is "Meteora", and they're Monks. As for the cats I doubt if they still ride the baskets, but at one time at least two of them must have, cuz I don't know how they all got up there. There are some great websites on it. Do a search and type in "Meteora". It's a beautiful and unusual place.....Paul J <BR>
May 7th, 1999, 10:40 AM
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Mea Culpa! Even having studied Latin, I can't really recall the language of the priest in Avignon, only that it wasn't English. It could have been French, it could have been Latin. When DB suggested that the language was the issue, I thought he must be right, so gave him credit for the find! So sorry. <BR> <BR>However, my error does again prove the point that you simply cannot pull the wool over a Fodorian's eyes.
May 7th, 1999, 10:44 AM
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Mea Culpa! Even having studied Latin, I can't really recall the language of the priest in Avignon, only that it wasn't English. It could have been French, it could have been Latin. When DB suggested that the language was the issue, I thought he must be right, so gave him credit for the find! So sorry. <BR> <BR>However, my error does again prove the point that you simply cannot pull the wool over a Fodorian's eyes.
May 7th, 1999, 12:27 PM
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Joanna, <BR>Opps! Got my eastern and western ends mixed-up on lle de la Cite. I was thinking Notre Dame was on the western end (I reverse E and W in Europe for some reason. And to think I pride myself on my "sense of direction" and map reading skills
(. Regards, Walter
. And to think I pride myself on my "sense of direction" and map reading skills(. Regards, Walter
May 7th, 1999, 12:58 PM
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Don't worry - we won't cancel our trip to Italy! We're looking forward to exploring Tuscany further, and making another trip to the Uffizi to see David once again. Raphael's angels are also a favorite sight in the Accademia. We won't be returning to Bellagio, on Lake Garda, this trip. I remember how tough those steep stepped streets were on our knees. But the view across to Como was worth it! Not going to Venice this trip either. I hope we can find another concert to enjoy as we did there - hearing Vivaldi's music played by an all-girl orchestra in the San Polo church where he was once choir-master was a treat!
