Aperitif in Paris for un homme
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:22 PM
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Sorry, Scarlett, if you call a NYC man a sissy for drinking a Cosmo, you won't live long enough to say "sissy" again. A well made Cosmopolitan is considered "tres chic" and is one of the most popular cocktails in Manhattan today. And, it's truly unisex. Certain NYC bartenders are known by name simply because of their ability to make a killer "Cosmo." The chic straight guy does stand out a bit because he orders his Cosmo by requesting a top-shelf Vodka by brand. I love that.
Feb 10th, 2004, 06:36 PM
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NYFS, aren't you the woman who married two different guys without knowing they were gay?
And you are telling us what is and what is not considered a sissy drink and what is chic for straight men to drink?
Regardless, French men don't worry about threats to their masculinity the way most American men do. They are comfortable with themselves, unlike most macho American men.
And you are telling us what is and what is not considered a sissy drink and what is chic for straight men to drink?
Regardless, French men don't worry about threats to their masculinity the way most American men do. They are comfortable with themselves, unlike most macho American men.
Feb 10th, 2004, 07:00 PM
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Not that I admire him or anything, but I was astonmished to learn last week that Donald Trump has never tasted an alcoholic beverage in his life.
Drink Perrier if you want. Drink anything you want.
Best wishes,
Rex
Drink Perrier if you want. Drink anything you want.
Best wishes,
Rex
Feb 10th, 2004, 09:58 PM
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There are a few "standard" apéritifs in France which you will find on the apéritif menu in most bars and restaurants (also the ones that French people tend to drink at home).
This isn't an exhaustive list by any means, just the most common pre-dinner drinks - any of which are quite acceptable for men or women to drink (though as Christina mentioned, Ricard is a bit more of a men's drink)
- Kir - the standard version is with blackcurrant (cassis), but you can also ask for blackberry (mûre) or peach (pêche) in most bars and restaurants.
- Pastis - Ricard is the most common brand.
- Port (porteau) - in the UK it's drunk as a digestif, but in France it's an apéritif, often served with an ice cube.
- Muscat - a sweet white wine.
- Martini blanc or rouge
- Whisky (generally served neat or on the rocks)
- Pineau - sweet fortified wine.
- You can also order a glass of wine (esp. white) as an aperitif.
- Drinks with mixers, like gin and tonic, are also available but less popular with French people and tend to be rather expensive.
This isn't an exhaustive list by any means, just the most common pre-dinner drinks - any of which are quite acceptable for men or women to drink (though as Christina mentioned, Ricard is a bit more of a men's drink)
- Kir - the standard version is with blackcurrant (cassis), but you can also ask for blackberry (mûre) or peach (pêche) in most bars and restaurants.
- Pastis - Ricard is the most common brand.
- Port (porteau) - in the UK it's drunk as a digestif, but in France it's an apéritif, often served with an ice cube.
- Muscat - a sweet white wine.
- Martini blanc or rouge
- Whisky (generally served neat or on the rocks)
- Pineau - sweet fortified wine.
- You can also order a glass of wine (esp. white) as an aperitif.
- Drinks with mixers, like gin and tonic, are also available but less popular with French people and tend to be rather expensive.
Feb 11th, 2004, 06:56 AM
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Dear NYCFS,
Although I defer to your knowledge of what is chic and/or hip in the great metropolis, I must say that a Cosmo, if it didn't have alcohol in it, would be perfect for a children's party.
1 1/4 ounces Absolut Citron vodka (about 2 1/2 tablespoons)
1/4 ounce Rose's lime juice (about 3/4 tablespoon)
1/4 ounce triple sec or Cointreau (about 3/4 tablespoon)
1/4 cup cranberry juice
Is this a bar or a candy store?
Although I defer to your knowledge of what is chic and/or hip in the great metropolis, I must say that a Cosmo, if it didn't have alcohol in it, would be perfect for a children's party.
1 1/4 ounces Absolut Citron vodka (about 2 1/2 tablespoons)
1/4 ounce Rose's lime juice (about 3/4 tablespoon)
1/4 ounce triple sec or Cointreau (about 3/4 tablespoon)
1/4 cup cranberry juice
Is this a bar or a candy store?
Feb 11th, 2004, 07:22 AM
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I prefer a Cosmopolitan to be made with a high quality export strength gin such as Bombay Sapphire. However, now it's a little naff to be drinking this - so 90s!
Classic cocktails are always much classier, and, er, classic! For contemporary drinking the Library Bar at the Lanesborough offers some of the best new original drinks by Salvatore Calabrese. Also, the private member's bar Milk and Honey, both in NY and London offer superb cocktails, very reasonably priced, and all made according to Dale de Groff's a.k.a. "King of Cocktail" methods, including some of his original ones.
A Kir, royale or not is revolting, but then I hate blackcurrant flavoured beverages, reminds me of Ribena.
Classic cocktails are always much classier, and, er, classic! For contemporary drinking the Library Bar at the Lanesborough offers some of the best new original drinks by Salvatore Calabrese. Also, the private member's bar Milk and Honey, both in NY and London offer superb cocktails, very reasonably priced, and all made according to Dale de Groff's a.k.a. "King of Cocktail" methods, including some of his original ones.
A Kir, royale or not is revolting, but then I hate blackcurrant flavoured beverages, reminds me of Ribena.
Feb 11th, 2004, 07:30 AM
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Ira, I suspect that IS part of the allure of this famous drink. Alcohol does have a way of bringing out the kid in some of us. So, if you're going to drink, why not reminisce while doing so (although I hated cranberry juice as a child).
Hipsters swear by Cafeteria's "Mandarin Cosmo" which is the rage among 20-something hetero couples who continually pack this place to see who's who from Hollywood.
Just a few blocks north you can find that handsome bartender at Le Madri who's acquired fame from his Cosmo version, which is barely sweet at all.
I can't even discuss the Cosmo scene at Schiller's. Those straight boys are lining up by the dozen to get as close to the models-of-the-moment posing at the bar. By 8 PM on any night, it's a sea of Cosmos.
This is one chameleon cocktail whose enjoyment truly depends on the bartender's recipe.
Hipsters swear by Cafeteria's "Mandarin Cosmo" which is the rage among 20-something hetero couples who continually pack this place to see who's who from Hollywood.
Just a few blocks north you can find that handsome bartender at Le Madri who's acquired fame from his Cosmo version, which is barely sweet at all.
I can't even discuss the Cosmo scene at Schiller's. Those straight boys are lining up by the dozen to get as close to the models-of-the-moment posing at the bar. By 8 PM on any night, it's a sea of Cosmos.
This is one chameleon cocktail whose enjoyment truly depends on the bartender's recipe.
Feb 11th, 2004, 09:12 AM
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I must say that any mandarin or orange cosmo (must be made with fresh juice) is REALLY good. Did the whole "standard" cosmo for many, many years. Not too many people order those anymore and it is considered (in the "chic cirles" at least) to be a drink ordered by the "B&T" crowd when they're just trying too hard.
Feb 11th, 2004, 10:07 AM
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"why debate with these nincompoops." You got that one right, cosmokirhoot (lol)!
NYC is full of @#$hole opinions and michelle just proved that point. Darling, you'll need to work much harder at being a snob, at least one who knows how to spell "sheek crculs."
Apparently, someone neglected to tell Michelle that all the talented artists in this town are now living in Williamsburg, BROOKLYN! I guess that makes us Manhattanites the new "Bridge and Tunnel" crowd since we have to cross a bridge to hang with the "cool" folk. I'll do whatever it takes to keep me as far away from folks like this.
NYC is full of @#$hole opinions and michelle just proved that point. Darling, you'll need to work much harder at being a snob, at least one who knows how to spell "sheek crculs."
Apparently, someone neglected to tell Michelle that all the talented artists in this town are now living in Williamsburg, BROOKLYN! I guess that makes us Manhattanites the new "Bridge and Tunnel" crowd since we have to cross a bridge to hang with the "cool" folk. I'll do whatever it takes to keep me as far away from folks like this.
Feb 11th, 2004, 11:24 AM
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Poor Paco, as usually happens here, his question has gone the way of many, into a cat fight.
Weird how some posters pop up out of nowhere, post, then un-register...gives their words/opionions very little credit. Last time I looked, he was nor, now he is cosmokirhoot?
Did anyone mention a Martini?
Weird how some posters pop up out of nowhere, post, then un-register...gives their words/opionions very little credit. Last time I looked, he was nor, now he is cosmokirhoot?
Did anyone mention a Martini?
Feb 11th, 2004, 11:31 AM
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Drink whatever you like! If you are comfortable in your masculinity, no one will bat an eyelash even if you order a Shirley Temple. Think Jean Reno.
In a very chic bar in Paris this past Saturday, I (discreetly, I hope!) ogled a very sexy guy with that classic French way of looking scruffy and well groomed at the same time casually but elegantly drinking mint tea.
As for pastis, I tend to think of it as a morning drink, as in coffee+pastis. An alternative to a kir but still in the same general ballpark is a Picon wine (Picon is an orange or bitter orange liqueur served with white wine) or Picon biere (served with beer instead of wine). Very popular in the Loire Valley.
In a very chic bar in Paris this past Saturday, I (discreetly, I hope!) ogled a very sexy guy with that classic French way of looking scruffy and well groomed at the same time casually but elegantly drinking mint tea.
As for pastis, I tend to think of it as a morning drink, as in coffee+pastis. An alternative to a kir but still in the same general ballpark is a Picon wine (Picon is an orange or bitter orange liqueur served with white wine) or Picon biere (served with beer instead of wine). Very popular in the Loire Valley.
