Apartment near Tour Saint-Jacques??
Jun 14th, 2017, 04:29 PM
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Sarastro; Appreciate your rational explanation. We expect to go to Paris next June and I will be looking for a multi bedroom apartment. Probably 4 bedrooms.
It will be interesting to see what the new regulations include. I believe AirBnB is still collecting the Paris city tax.
We loved our 3 bedroom apartment in 2015.
It will be interesting to see what the new regulations include. I believe AirBnB is still collecting the Paris city tax.
We loved our 3 bedroom apartment in 2015.
Jun 14th, 2017, 08:56 PM
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JeanneB - back to your requirements...
You might think about staying in the 11th or 12th.
These neighborhoods are lively and less-tourist-oriented than the one you chose.
If you want a legal apart'hotel, there are choices:
In the 5th arrondissement, Hotel Residence Henri IV is charming and quiet. Kitchen included.
Citadines Richard Lenoir is very near the Bastille market in the 11th and has air-conditioning and weekly maid service, kitchen included.
You might think about staying in the 11th or 12th.
These neighborhoods are lively and less-tourist-oriented than the one you chose.
If you want a legal apart'hotel, there are choices:
In the 5th arrondissement, Hotel Residence Henri IV is charming and quiet. Kitchen included.
Citadines Richard Lenoir is very near the Bastille market in the 11th and has air-conditioning and weekly maid service, kitchen included.
Jun 15th, 2017, 08:59 AM
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Thank you, fuzz. We need 2 baths. I've gone in a. Wry different direction.
Down to 3 apartments: 2 near Louvre and 1 on a quiet street 2 blocks from Republique. I like all of them, but am leaning toward a lovely unit in Palais Royal. I would feel comfortable tgere there with the teen girl going out alone for short times. Still gives us good proximity to Marais and Montoguiel. And close to the Seine for morning walks. It's parfait.
Down to 3 apartments: 2 near Louvre and 1 on a quiet street 2 blocks from Republique. I like all of them, but am leaning toward a lovely unit in Palais Royal. I would feel comfortable tgere there with the teen girl going out alone for short times. Still gives us good proximity to Marais and Montoguiel. And close to the Seine for morning walks. It's parfait.
Jun 15th, 2017, 10:54 AM
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Sarastro has presented a rational overview, indeed. I, for one, am grateful for it!
<nope . . . it is slight exaggeration that every listing is illegal. But IRL most are.>
<A few of the listings are legit -- but the VAST majority are illegal.>
<but they are almost all illegal.>
janisj, how do you know this? You sound very certain, so i assume you can present some sort of proof?
<It's safe to assume that anything offered through AirBnB or agency websites is illegal.>
menachem, same question--how do you know this with such certainty?
<nope . . . it is slight exaggeration that every listing is illegal. But IRL most are.>
<A few of the listings are legit -- but the VAST majority are illegal.>
<but they are almost all illegal.>
janisj, how do you know this? You sound very certain, so i assume you can present some sort of proof?
<It's safe to assume that anything offered through AirBnB or agency websites is illegal.>
menachem, same question--how do you know this with such certainty?
Jun 15th, 2017, 06:29 PM
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Wow, so much quiet after so much noise. Does no proof for these assertions exist? They have been made on so many threads, by the same posters, with such certainty, I think it only fair that some sort of facts be presented alongside.
Jun 15th, 2017, 06:51 PM
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https://opendata.paris.fr/explore/da...s/information/ . . . among others.
Jun 15th, 2017, 10:55 PM
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NewbE continues to ignore the voluminous facts that have been presented by the press and government in virtually all travel forums, regarding Paris.
If he/she wants to rail against "the same posters", it's only fair to say that the facts have been duly presented as real.
If he/she wants to rail against "the same posters", it's only fair to say that the facts have been duly presented as real.
Jun 16th, 2017, 06:31 AM
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Sarastro, I already did--I quoted several above.
janisj, yes, that is a list of legal rentals that also says there are other legal rentals not listed--so...? Hardly definitive. It also excludes apartments rented for total of less than 4 months out of the year.
fuzz, that's the problem. Every thread asserts that proofs have been given--in some previous discussion. I have yet to trace that claim to its origin, however.
If it's so bleeding obvious, it should be simple to point me to a source, non?
janisj, yes, that is a list of legal rentals that also says there are other legal rentals not listed--so...? Hardly definitive. It also excludes apartments rented for total of less than 4 months out of the year.
fuzz, that's the problem. Every thread asserts that proofs have been given--in some previous discussion. I have yet to trace that claim to its origin, however.
If it's so bleeding obvious, it should be simple to point me to a source, non?
Jun 16th, 2017, 11:22 AM
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NewbE - I am not sure that either of us really knows what it is that you are looking for. Forors is a travel forum, not the Harvard Law Review. However, if you want to peruse the law ALUR which fundamentally bans all short term apartment rentals, those inhabited for a duration of fewer than 12 months, in any city in France with inhabitants of greater than 200,000 people, then here it is:
http://www.la-loi-alur.org/
http://www.la-loi-alur.org/
Jun 16th, 2017, 03:03 PM
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But consider.
The city in certainly not refusing all the 'city tax' that is collected by the agencies for all these short term rentals.
For me, I rent thru an agency and they are collecting the city tax.
That's all I and anyone should need to know.
But we continually have these same few people putting a moral compass to people asking about the short term rentals.
Always the same few people on Fodor's.
My wife just nixed taking family to Paris. Instead we will take them to a cottage on the Maine or NH coast.
My wife and I will now be in Paris in early June next year if my health permits.
However, if family were coming to Paris, I would not hesitate to do a short term rental in spite of the same few who for the last 3/4 years have been discouraging people.
That goes to you too at our GTG, ParisWot and I expect a wine.
We can then decide who is the biggest PITA. lol
The city in certainly not refusing all the 'city tax' that is collected by the agencies for all these short term rentals.
For me, I rent thru an agency and they are collecting the city tax.
That's all I and anyone should need to know.
But we continually have these same few people putting a moral compass to people asking about the short term rentals.
Always the same few people on Fodor's.
My wife just nixed taking family to Paris. Instead we will take them to a cottage on the Maine or NH coast.
My wife and I will now be in Paris in early June next year if my health permits.
However, if family were coming to Paris, I would not hesitate to do a short term rental in spite of the same few who for the last 3/4 years have been discouraging people.
That goes to you too at our GTG, ParisWot and I expect a wine.
We can then decide who is the biggest PITA. lol
Jun 16th, 2017, 03:46 PM
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Moral compass? I think people are just trying to explain the law which to this day is sketchy in its enforcement. A few months ago, published was the information that registering of all short term rental apartments would be de rigueur by Oct.1. In the link below, Jan 1, 2018 is mentioned.
https://www.lesechos.fr/politique-so...nb-2094782.php
https://www.lesechos.fr/politique-so...nb-2094782.php
Jun 16th, 2017, 04:45 PM
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Sorry, you have not followed short term rentals in Paris for the last three years or 4 years on Fodor's.
The few are continually attempting to make travelers feel guilty when renting these short term rentals in Paris.
The few are continually attempting to make travelers feel guilty when renting these short term rentals in Paris.
Jun 16th, 2017, 10:35 PM
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How can one make a person feel guilty?
And the moral compass - I could not break the law by renting an apartment when it's quite clear that most are illegal in places like Paris, New York . The law is for a reason and I like to respect laws I agree with . Obviously some people don't care and that's their choice .
And the moral compass - I could not break the law by renting an apartment when it's quite clear that most are illegal in places like Paris, New York . The law is for a reason and I like to respect laws I agree with . Obviously some people don't care and that's their choice .
Jun 17th, 2017, 02:00 AM
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<i>The city in certainly not refusing all the 'city tax' that is collected by the agencies for all these short term rentals.
For me, I rent thru an agency and they are collecting the city tax.</i>
The municipal tourist tax levied by many cities is so minuscule that collecting it or not is only about 1% of the problem. Airbnb got great PR when they announced proudly that they would be collecting the tax, as though this made all of the offerings legal. It is not even the tip of the iceberg.
The real problem -- besides the fact that many Parisians are unable to find long term housing in the city in part due to so many of the apartments being turned into tourist cash factories which bring in 400-500% of normal rent -- is that the vast majority of the owners are not paying tax on all of the income they are making from these rentals.
I will not debate the pros and cons of the situation once again, since they have already been covered, but I will mention once again that <b>any</b> owner who requests any sort of cash payment for these apartments is automatically a criminal.
For me, I rent thru an agency and they are collecting the city tax.</i>
The municipal tourist tax levied by many cities is so minuscule that collecting it or not is only about 1% of the problem. Airbnb got great PR when they announced proudly that they would be collecting the tax, as though this made all of the offerings legal. It is not even the tip of the iceberg.
The real problem -- besides the fact that many Parisians are unable to find long term housing in the city in part due to so many of the apartments being turned into tourist cash factories which bring in 400-500% of normal rent -- is that the vast majority of the owners are not paying tax on all of the income they are making from these rentals.
I will not debate the pros and cons of the situation once again, since they have already been covered, but I will mention once again that <b>any</b> owner who requests any sort of cash payment for these apartments is automatically a criminal.
Jun 17th, 2017, 02:58 AM
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There are apparently a few moral arbiters who hijack every thread about apartment rentals. The thread devolves into a debate over rental laws rather than the pros and cons of different apartments. Which is a shame.
I used to love to browse through those threads just to pick up little notes about a neighborhood. Sometimes it's a store, sometimes a landmark. Little things I was unaware of until the renter pointed it out. But that's not particularly enjoyable when one has to wade through all the legal mumbo jumbo.
I suggest that "real travelers" simply ignore those posts in future. Don't reply and contribute to the hijacking of the post.
I used to love to browse through those threads just to pick up little notes about a neighborhood. Sometimes it's a store, sometimes a landmark. Little things I was unaware of until the renter pointed it out. But that's not particularly enjoyable when one has to wade through all the legal mumbo jumbo.
I suggest that "real travelers" simply ignore those posts in future. Don't reply and contribute to the hijacking of the post.
Jun 17th, 2017, 03:12 AM
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<We just provide the facts.> That's an interesting comment.
1. When it's continually said, Your short term rental apartment may get raided-TRUE
2. When it's continually said, The owner could cancel the reservation-TRUE
But what is NOT usually said, the happenings with those two truisms are virtually NIL.
Let's get the WHOLE truth out there when suggesting these scare tactics.
With 10's of thousands of apartment rentals in Paris there are so few apartment raids or owner cancellations, that they would not even show up as a 'blip on a radar screen.'
Bottom line, the city of Paris knows what is happening and new regulations seem to be going into effect in this year.
Now is the time to wait and see what the city decides.
1. When it's continually said, Your short term rental apartment may get raided-TRUE
2. When it's continually said, The owner could cancel the reservation-TRUE
But what is NOT usually said, the happenings with those two truisms are virtually NIL.
Let's get the WHOLE truth out there when suggesting these scare tactics.
With 10's of thousands of apartment rentals in Paris there are so few apartment raids or owner cancellations, that they would not even show up as a 'blip on a radar screen.'
Bottom line, the city of Paris knows what is happening and new regulations seem to be going into effect in this year.
Now is the time to wait and see what the city decides.
Jun 17th, 2017, 05:22 AM
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If you are actually in an apartment when it is "raided," it is not at all a problem for you. The officials just take note of the situation. The problem is for the next dozen or so people who have reserved the apartment and whose reservations will be cancelled.
