Any advice....Driving on snowy mountain roads
#21
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The Europeans keep their roads much more clear of snow than their American counterparts. They are very good at getting out and clearing the roads as soon as the snow stops falling. I do agree with the suggestion not to drive when it snows, but my experience over 30 years of driving in the German/Swiss/Austrian Alps is that as soon as the snowstorm ends, you usually end-up with a beautiful clear day. I've driven 9 passenger vans through many of the higher passes and been caught in a snow squall.
The secret is to keep focused, maintain an even speed, let the chucklehead locals riding your a.. to pass and be sure you have plenty of washer fluid. Keep a safe distance from the car in front of you because that is generally who/what you would hit if you lose control. They use lots of chemicals and salt on the roads which does keep the path clear, but the spray will quickly muck up your windscreen. Last winter I foolishly allowed the reservoir to dry up and had to stop the van a few times to gather snow which I used to wash-off the windows.
Driving through the mountains has never been a problem for us, but in the lower elevations where the Autobahns and Autostradas lie Winter can often bring freezing rain or the dreaded "Wintry Mix". Then you can encounter problems mostly because you can never be sure what the guy next to or in front of or behind you is gonna do. Once traffic starts to slow you can have a real problem re-starting your momentum on ice. If there's a hill ahead you just may have some real problems. But again, once that weather event ends the road crews will be out and have the mess cleaned-up in a jiffy.
The secret is to keep focused, maintain an even speed, let the chucklehead locals riding your a.. to pass and be sure you have plenty of washer fluid. Keep a safe distance from the car in front of you because that is generally who/what you would hit if you lose control. They use lots of chemicals and salt on the roads which does keep the path clear, but the spray will quickly muck up your windscreen. Last winter I foolishly allowed the reservoir to dry up and had to stop the van a few times to gather snow which I used to wash-off the windows.
Driving through the mountains has never been a problem for us, but in the lower elevations where the Autobahns and Autostradas lie Winter can often bring freezing rain or the dreaded "Wintry Mix". Then you can encounter problems mostly because you can never be sure what the guy next to or in front of or behind you is gonna do. Once traffic starts to slow you can have a real problem re-starting your momentum on ice. If there's a hill ahead you just may have some real problems. But again, once that weather event ends the road crews will be out and have the mess cleaned-up in a jiffy.
#22
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Having witnessed the extremely poor driving on "winding" roads in New York state, where even in o.k conditions everyone was going far far far below max speed, coming to a (almost) complete standstill at every corner, I would not think it would be wise for those folks to drive on swow in the Alps.
#23
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You have to count with situations when you are on a steep grade and caught by a snowstorm.
This means, you need snow chains. No chance with winter tyres and 4WD. (BTW, you will be fined when you try driving without chains where chains are mandatory.)
It starts that you have to rent or buy snow chains which fit the tyre size of your rental car.
Then you have to apply the snow chains. Imagine heavy snowfall, darkness, ice-cold temperatures, gusty winds, stiff fingers and then you have to handle those tricky chains. Congratulations!
This means, you need snow chains. No chance with winter tyres and 4WD. (BTW, you will be fined when you try driving without chains where chains are mandatory.)
It starts that you have to rent or buy snow chains which fit the tyre size of your rental car.
Then you have to apply the snow chains. Imagine heavy snowfall, darkness, ice-cold temperatures, gusty winds, stiff fingers and then you have to handle those tricky chains. Congratulations!
#24
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As someone that actually LIVED in the high country (my house was at 8,000 feet+) I cannot count the number of times I had to rescue flatlanders who thought they could handle mountain roads in the winter. Then there are those that rescue isn't an option, waiting for spring to dig out the bodies is the option.
Guess what, I don't care how good the plows are, black ice sticks around. Going down a steep grade is fun no matter what, add in some occasional slick spots and it gets nutty.
Oh, and let's not forget the wackos that think that because they have a 4wd they are invulnerable. You cannot gauge when a whiteout will hit. If you have to do it, like I did, then different story. If you don't, then it is idiotic. You are not just endangering yourself, you are endangering other.
Guess what, I don't care how good the plows are, black ice sticks around. Going down a steep grade is fun no matter what, add in some occasional slick spots and it gets nutty.
Oh, and let's not forget the wackos that think that because they have a 4wd they are invulnerable. You cannot gauge when a whiteout will hit. If you have to do it, like I did, then different story. If you don't, then it is idiotic. You are not just endangering yourself, you are endangering other.
#25
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An avid skier myself and having experienced winter roads my whole life, I will tell you a small piece of advice - use your same skiing instincts and techniques when driving... the concepts are the same. Gliding with an ice skid and knowing to gently pull out has helped me several times.
#26
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>Ok then, driving is out of the question. We will then just rent a car in Bolzano. Thanks
For what purpose?
If you mean for the last couple of km to the resort, that's what everybody was warning you against. The route OVER the Alps is not the problem - main roads like the Brenner pass (the No. 1 Alps crossing, actually) are 6 lane motorways, not some winding mountain roads. It's when you get off the main road and go up the side valley to the skiing resort that you may encounter difficult driving conditions.
For what purpose?
If you mean for the last couple of km to the resort, that's what everybody was warning you against. The route OVER the Alps is not the problem - main roads like the Brenner pass (the No. 1 Alps crossing, actually) are 6 lane motorways, not some winding mountain roads. It's when you get off the main road and go up the side valley to the skiing resort that you may encounter difficult driving conditions.
#28

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It's true it's not rocket science. But it IS science, and you DO need to learn it before you throw yourself out there in totally unknown conditions.
You don't need a car for a ski resort vacation in the Dolomites. It could so easily ruin your vacation to have one. WHY would you do this? Vacations are supposed to be fun, not stressful.
You don't need a car for a ski resort vacation in the Dolomites. It could so easily ruin your vacation to have one. WHY would you do this? Vacations are supposed to be fun, not stressful.
#29
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This post brings up several exciting driving experiences in snowy mountainous areas in Europe, but I think my favorite was that time in the Dolomites, near Val Gardena. I think it was my last such drive.
My friend from Idaho, who'd driven often in ski areas like Sun Valley, was driving my car. Fortunately, as if I'd been driving we'd all be dead.
The car went out of control, hit a sturdy stone wall, which richocheted the car to the other side of this narrow mountain road. We did a 360 degree spin, then a 180, and we ended up sliding backward down the road.
It was very exciting. The only damage was to one fender. And my nerves. Never again!
My friend from Idaho, who'd driven often in ski areas like Sun Valley, was driving my car. Fortunately, as if I'd been driving we'd all be dead.
The car went out of control, hit a sturdy stone wall, which richocheted the car to the other side of this narrow mountain road. We did a 360 degree spin, then a 180, and we ended up sliding backward down the road.
It was very exciting. The only damage was to one fender. And my nerves. Never again!
#30
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..as another said, be sure you will is up to date! In all seriousness, you would be driving a rental car (ie one which is not familiar to you), on roads you dont know, in winter conditions all of which is challenging BUT if you havent driven on snow forget it!!! I grew up in NE (CT and VT) and have been driving since I was 17 and obviously in snow. ..tales of black ice, snow squalls, gravel roads, cars in ditches pre cell phones(but in VT a number of pick ups seem to come with winches) ect and these incidents occured on roads that I knew and in cars which were familiar to me. Please get public transport to the resort or hire a car!
#31
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I never argued that taking public transportation might be a more sensible or less stressful decision.
But since I live near the mountains and drive there regularly, I find it hard to comprehend why some posters make such a major fuss out of it.
True, you have to adjust your driving, and your car has to be properly equipped for the road.
The same applies for driving on a slippery wet road covered with leaves in Ireland, or for taking the right exit at a 12 lane interstate junction in L.A.
Accidents can happen in either location, but if someone from England was warning someone from Belgium the advice to rent a car in California because those freeways were sooo scary and there were always accidents caused by careless drivers changing lanes last minute, you as a local would try to put it back into perspective, too, I assume.
But since I live near the mountains and drive there regularly, I find it hard to comprehend why some posters make such a major fuss out of it.
True, you have to adjust your driving, and your car has to be properly equipped for the road.
The same applies for driving on a slippery wet road covered with leaves in Ireland, or for taking the right exit at a 12 lane interstate junction in L.A.
Accidents can happen in either location, but if someone from England was warning someone from Belgium the advice to rent a car in California because those freeways were sooo scary and there were always accidents caused by careless drivers changing lanes last minute, you as a local would try to put it back into perspective, too, I assume.
#34

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I agree with peg, Cowboy. I've been driving in Europe most of my life. I have absolutely no problem with zooming around Rome or Paris, winding my way up through the Cevennes on the Michelin "dangerous" roads (the ones with the red dotted lines), or tearing around leaf-soaked rainy, tortuous roads in the Dordogne. I grew up in New England, learned to drive in snow and ice. My sister lived in Colorado for 25 years and I visited her there and drove in the mountains in winter there quite a few times.
I would NEVER rent a car in the Dolomites in winter even with all this experience. It's just not the same thing.
I would NEVER rent a car in the Dolomites in winter even with all this experience. It's just not the same thing.
#35
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I think it's a somewhat common feature with Fodors' forums to blow things totally out of proportion.
It's either "no problem at all" or "you're gonna die".
Just because YOU were having problems or did not like to drive in the Alps, it cannot be stated as a god-given fact that any driver with half a brain and a well equipped car could not drive in the mountains.
If someone was really not able to drive safely on a winter road in the mountains, I would definetely not want a ride with that person on a sunny day in the flatlands.
It's either "no problem at all" or "you're gonna die".
Just because YOU were having problems or did not like to drive in the Alps, it cannot be stated as a god-given fact that any driver with half a brain and a well equipped car could not drive in the mountains.
If someone was really not able to drive safely on a winter road in the mountains, I would definetely not want a ride with that person on a sunny day in the flatlands.
#36
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Cowboy,
Ok, so you seem to be in the 'no problem at all camp' on this one. But it isn't about intelligence and has only a limited amount to do with car equipment. What it is about is experience of the particular conditions involved.
Ok, so you seem to be in the 'no problem at all camp' on this one. But it isn't about intelligence and has only a limited amount to do with car equipment. What it is about is experience of the particular conditions involved.
#37
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<i>But since I live near the mountains and drive there regularly, I find it hard to comprehend why some posters make such a major fuss out of it. </i>
cowboy, this says it all. Of course you have no problem with it yourself -- because you've done it zillions of time and therefore have tons of experience. But for OP, it would be the VERY FIRST TIME driving in snow and ice. I'm with the group that says it would be nuts for a first-timer.
cowboy, this says it all. Of course you have no problem with it yourself -- because you've done it zillions of time and therefore have tons of experience. But for OP, it would be the VERY FIRST TIME driving in snow and ice. I'm with the group that says it would be nuts for a first-timer.
#39
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The most important thing is to take it easy. Make sure you are comfortable with the vehicle, and that you have snow tires. And when you need to brake, do so gently and tap them, if you hit the brake hard on ice you'll slide - so go easy.
Four wheel drive is okay for snow but it also can make some people a little overconfident and they drive too fast for conditions, so the best thing is just to take it easy and try to get off the road before it gets dark because the temperatures drop and make icy conditions worse.
You'll be fine!
Four wheel drive is okay for snow but it also can make some people a little overconfident and they drive too fast for conditions, so the best thing is just to take it easy and try to get off the road before it gets dark because the temperatures drop and make icy conditions worse.
You'll be fine!

