Well, the history of the Eilat triangle is a little controversial.

Ah,yes, Caicos. Carrying on the great tradition of blaming the victim.

Apparently the "holiest day of the year" was not recognized by the invaders and I doubt they would have felt the need to do so. I somehow doubt that all that "blame" resides on one side of the very arbitrarily-determined border alone. The tradition of maintaining innocence regardless of one's own acts seems to be a long one as well.

Face facts: the thing is underpinned by contrary religious beliefs but one thing seems to be consistent: "We are the ones whom God says belong here, not you."

Apparently the "holiest day of the year" was not recognized by the invaders and I doubt they would have felt the need to do so.

It was an obvious military tactic.

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IDH, the Yom Kippur War was in 1973 - Egypt et al seeking redemption from the whupping Israel gave them in 1967 after Egypt tried to choke off all oil trade to Israel by closing the Straits of Tiran. BritishCaicos is just manifesting the current European antisemitism that masquerades under the misnomer of antizionism.

The record is clear, Israel BEGGED Arab residents of the Mandate to remain and join the country in 1948 but vast swaths left in the hope that Iraq, Syria, Transjordan, Egypt and Lebanon would throw the Jews into the sea. When Israel regained the Old City in 1967, the Arab leaders were nonplussed when the IDF told them to go back to their homes and go about their business. Israel's citizens have been targets of ongoing terror campaigns since the founding of the state, live within a few miles of "governments" dedicated to the destruction of their country, and still the vast majority of Europeans (who cannot handle their own complicity) feel as BCaicos does. It's reprehensible, but true.

"...the state of Israel has done little since 1948 to encourage a feeling of warmth..."

Yes, survival can be SO annoying.

Sorry for the wrong date.

We were n Hungary in 2008. Stayed in a B&B. One night while in the owner 's kitchen the couple asked in a whisper if we were Jewish. The woman was, her husband was not. She said she did not "advertise" the fact. When we told her we had no trouble in the U.S. (specifically NYC where we live), she was aghast. She couldn't believe we felt no qualms about people knowing we were Jewish. It was a good learning momnt for us. Especially since she felt she had to whisper our whole conversation, and we were in her own kitchen!

I believe there's a huge difference between being a tourist, passing through, and living in a place and in many cases, assimilating. Before going to my family's village, I had dinner in Budapest with a Jewish man whose family was also from there. A few had returned after WWII but then left to live elsewhere, in his case, in Budapest. When they moved, they changed their name, "hungarianizing" it. I suspect being Jewish was not a thing he spoke about as a rule. Many left Europe, as my family had in the late 19th century, and those that stayed paid dearly, so no wonder a habit of being circumspect continues.

<< and those that stayed paid dearly>>

Too true - the Holocaust reached Hungary in 1944. Ghetto-ization and deportment of Hungary's Jews only commenced then because the Hungarian government had been a compliant client state of the Nazis and hadn't been decimating its own Jewish population. And yet, Hungary had the second-largest number of Jews killed in the Holocaust.

FOURFORTRAVEL - I would ask WORDSMITH the same thing:

"wordsmith1, I live in Vienna and am curious about when/where/how you sensed anti-semitic behaviors"

MmePerdu - I agree that being a tourist in a place and living in it are two very different things. I live in NYC yet am rarely in Times Square.

One bright note to counter the sad (to me) revelation I had at the B&B we stayed at.

We took a half day tour of Budapest with a gentleman whose name I forget. He spoke about Hungarian history and Communism. He said how Hungarians harbor anger towards the Russians for killing (number?) of Hungarians. But, he said, what about all the Hungarian Jews who were killed by the Nazi's? The comparison of numbers was stark. Mind you, this man was not Jewish. I appreciated,and was surprised, that he thought this was outrageous.

For those interested in Jewish history in Hungary (fictionalized):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_%281999_film%29

Thanks, Michael! Great cast, now on my Netflix list.

Course Big Russ, we all know you can't be anti Israeli without being anti Semitic.

Well not all of us have pea brains.

Some of us can differentiate between the foreign policy of a sovereign state and the religious beliefs of an individual.

"The record is clear, Israel BEGGED Arab residents of the Mandate"

Crap.

The population of Palestine at the start of the Zionist movement was 8% Jewish, by 1948 it was over 88%.

So as an Arab in Palestine, your homeland is swamped by a migrating population who have suffered an incredible injustice to which you have had no involvement and your expected just to give up your sovereignty?

During which time that migrating population receives huge funding from Stalin and operates a terrorist campaign against a peace keeping force. Your only option as an Arab was to accept citizenship under an alien soveriegnty.

Hardly surprising the Arabs left.

Most of which is academic.

It is black or white.

Some believe Israel should exist in Palestine.

Some don't.

Any amount of discussion will never change a viewpoint.

Sorry some believe Israel SHOULD have existed in Palestine.

I am not arguing it doesn't have a right to exist now.

"Any amount of discussion will never change a viewpoint."

Just what I was thinking when I read your first, above, BC.

In 1948, the mullahs and emirs did not want to take any of the Palestinians in hopes of fermenting future animosities. They got what they wanted.

I hope the poster is getting the information he/she needs. I have tried to give two accounts of my experience a few years ago in Budapest.

BTW - We loved Budapest.

As for Vienna - About 10 years ago we were in Vienna. We went into a very small book store. Looked through some old postcards. The proprietor came out from the back, drunk, and started ranting about the Americans in WWII. We left. Yet we still really enjoyed ourselves in Vienna. And with this we got a taste of a local's harboring anger.

<i>in hopes of fermenting </i>

I thought that alcohol was a no-no for them.