AMERICANS...yikes! #2

Old Jul 27th, 1999, 10:08 PM
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Rosemarie Garcia Vickers
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What is going on here...world war III? Quit implying to be better than the other..It takes all kinds to make this world go round....myself included.
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 02:38 AM
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I've read this post and I struggle to understand why people create a post to have a go at themselves and people from their own country. Is anyone truly trying to say that people from one country are this and people from another country are that? Give us all a break. The world these days is one big cosmolitan place. if you live in the US or Australia, unless you have indigenous (Indian or Aboriginal) roots your a migrant. So we all come from different parts of Europe, Asia, Africa etc etc. So when someone says a certain nationality does this or does that its just bullshit really.
Tony...hoping Australia becomes a republic first!!
Bonnie...I don't really understand what your on about?
Sarah....what cultures?? We may have mannerisms and accents but I think most of us have been well and truly indoctrinated into the western culture.

David
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 07:47 AM
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Anyone notice that Emperor Nero faults the U.S. for admiring an Irish-Catholic Liberal, an Hispanic, an African-American and a woman? I thought somebody would have picked up on this.
The vitriolic diatribe from him smacks of the same mindless rhetoric espoused by so-called white supremist groups both in the U.S. and in Europe. These morons attempted to promote this murderous philosophy 60 years ago; in June 1944, they got their answer.
The mouth-breathers are now trying to create a "race war", in which they believe all 'white' people will band together against everyone else. Fat chance, you cretins. You attempt to foment trouble, hoping to get fence-sitters to sit quietly while you spew your filth. Shut up, and pick your knuckles off the ground. You are despised and reviled.

As for every other thing you said about the U.S. - and yer point? What, the U.S. is UNIQUE in screw-ups? We're just part of the global community, making mistakes and trying to fix them. Our penchant to air our dirty linen in public and then publicly agonize over it is one of our greatest strengths. If you don't admit your mistakes, you'll never begin to understand what happened or how to prevent it in the future.
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 08:37 AM
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Elvira, I was waiting for someone else to pick up on Emperor Nero's "white sheet over the head" attitudes! I think it makes my "U.S. is the Best" comments rather pale by comparison, (not that I apologize for my enthusiasm for life in this country).

We'll always have playground bullies, the playgrounds will just change!
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 08:55 AM
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Toward the end of his rant, Nero warns us to watch out for the rise of a United Europe that will be the world's superpower! Hey, more luck to ya, but while you are trashing the USA's recent history, consider the following conflicts which are ongoing:

Spain--Basque Separatists are carrying out acts of terrorism

Italy--the white-collar northern regions wish to secede, forming a separate nation from the blue collar south.

The British Isles--the IRA situation speaks for itself.



Now that doesn't sound like a unified Europe! While the unification of Germany is a very good start, Europe has a long way to go if the nations are having trouble holding themselves together, much less the entire continent. And the above examples are only in Western Europe, let alone the mess in Eastern Europe.
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 09:18 AM
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Now now children. I want you all to go into a quiet corner and read I'm OK, You're OK from cover to cover. When you've done that, you can have each have a lollipop. Until then I want no more bickering, otherwise I might just have to get my whip out. Oooops, sorry, wrong forum ....
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 03:56 PM
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Concerning "Emperor Nero":
I really had to scroll up to see this posting. I dismissed it during my previous perusals of this thread.
Did anyone else have to look up in a dictionary some of the words he used in the first few sentences of his posting? I'm still trying to find "priapic" in my Webster's dictionary.
He sounds like a trouble-maker to me (I wanted to use the word idiot, but I decided not to).
"self-serving polititians"? Pick a country, Sweetheart!
"unconstitutional affirmitive action"? Are you a white-supremist?
DO NOT even attempt to criticize JFK JR. He was a good guy who met his fate too early.
Kittie
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 04:05 PM
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David,
I understand what you are saying. We are one big-connected world (via computers and tv) -let's go with it (go with the flow). One country/people are not any better than any other).
This post (I think) was created to discover if American travellers are too obnoxious or too loud. Is it just a few Americans (the bad apple spoils the bunch theory) or are we all (hopefully unconciously) this way?
Kittie
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 04:14 PM
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For my third post this evening I would like to say this:

Whenever I visit an area outside of Detroit (which I am from) or Tampa (which I live in), I try to "play it cool". In other words, whether I am in Iceland, Germany, Mexico, Seattle, LA, or Hawaii etc., I try to observe the "natives" then act accordingly. Each area of the world has different mores (a word form college sociology). I try, as best I can, to assimilate (another of those words). I do not dare to compare/evaluate any place I visit to "home". What an educational barrior that would be.
Kittie
 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 05:58 PM
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From Websters (1980) New World Dictionary:
priapic (adj) 1. same as phallic. 2. overly concerned with virility or masculinity.

 
Old Jul 28th, 1999, 07:37 PM
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Dictionarygal,

My webster's is from 1975.

Are you Emperor Nero in drag? How else would you have checked this thread, looked this up is a dictionary, and had that email address?
So, a male head of state is concerned with virility...let him stand in line with the rest of the heads of state around the world. Surprise, surprise!
Enough with your garbage...
On to more productive topics...
Kittie
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 05:24 AM
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Kittie, you are very paranoid. I am an American who knew what priapic meant without consulting a dictionary or accusing others of being too wordy. The root word is from Priapus, an ancient god who, well, let's say he didn't need Viagra.
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 05:33 AM
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Hey Sarah,

To answer your original question: yup, Americans sure are loud. As a Yank now living over this side of the herring pond, it's daily embarrassment/Shadenfreude -- especially on the Tube. I don't think we're installed with a volume switch, unlike Europeans, who can lower their speaking voices quickly.

London has the same population density as Hong Kong, and if we Londoners didn't have social norms of behavio(u)r, like near-silence in the Underground, we'd go MAD!

Q - Why do Americans speak so loudly?
A - So they can be heard over their clothes.
But that's another thread! :)
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 08:27 AM
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Who exactly are these quiet Europeans we're talking about? Yes, the British generally keep their volume down, but have you ever been on a train with a group of Italian students or in a church with a busload of German tourists? Or, for that matter, in a bookstore with an indignant French person? Sure, some of us are loud and some aren't, and the loud ones are naturally the ones who are going to be noticed. And, yes, the average does vary from country to country, but if we're going to somehow equate cultural norms of speaking with moral superiority, Americans aren't the only ones who'll come off badly.
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 11:37 AM
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I don't think loud is bad.it's what people are saying.Here are some examples of obnoxious Americans on our recent holiday.
A man in the hotel kicking and cursing outside the door of the elevator.It wasn't coming fast enough for him.
Four people at the entrance to Lascaux complaining extremely loudly what a jerk thier French tour guide was and how you couldn't trust the French to do anything properly.
A woman on the platform of a train station shouting at a porter,"I thought I told you 1st class".
A man at a ticket desk who threw his money down and said 2 in a contemptuous manner.
The worse was watching a man walking across the parvis in front of Notre Dame in Paris.He was very angry,red in the face and he shouted for all to hear,''damn French f-----s,they make me sick".
We never saw any other nationality behaving this badly.The politest were the Japanese.I guess they are alright as long as you don't get in front of thier cameras.
I am not anti American.My best friend in all the world is American.
Perhaps more Americans should be reading
Fodors then they would know that Europe is not just like home.Oh that reminds of another American we saw complaining about all the dogs in the cafes.
I would rather eat my dinner with 10 good dogs than you know what.
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 12:29 PM
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Many Americans equate money with permission to act any way they want. I work for a company that deals with these cretins every day. They are rude, abusive, and completely out of control. The sad part is that I can't escape them when I travel; the good part is, I can take my revenge..."oh no, fellah, that sign doesn't mean the road is washed out; it means you can take a BOAT across...and the speed limit is 90mph"
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 01:32 PM
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Catherine - an excellent point that you've made! It's not the loud that's bad, it's the obnoxious and rude that's bad. Let me assure you that, though I love the U.S., I would have nothing but contempt for people who behave as you described above. Unfortunately, I've seen some of that from all nationalities. Sorry you saw it in ours! And I agree with you about the dogs, (assuming their owners are as nice and intelligent as they are!)

Elvira, are we allowed to tell jokes on here? I'm pretty new around here -
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 01:49 PM
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Dick,
You are right. I overreacted. Emperor Nero tried to "yank our chains" and I let him yank mine.
Kittie
 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 02:12 PM
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Kittie, I would also like to apologize for using the word "paranoid". I found your earlier posts to be very insightful.

I'd like to add another spin to the topic at hand: maybe some of us Americans are louder than others because of our ethnic ancestries? For example, an American whose grandparents were, let's say Latin (like mine), are more likely to have grown up in a noisier, boisterous household due to cultural customs, while an American whose ancestry is Anglo-Saxon might be more reserved. As a nation, we are ethnically very diverse, hence the differences in our behavior.

 
Old Jul 29th, 1999, 03:06 PM
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Dick,
You are so sweet.
Thank you so much for the compliment.
No apologies necessary.
I have been called paranoid before <g>.
I think you have hit on a very important point. When people say "American's" they are actually referring to people from all over the world with varying socially acceptable behaviors based on their heritage and/or specific environment.
 

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