A;dam - reputable "coffee shops"

Feb 8th, 2004, 02:57 AM
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A;dam - reputable "coffee shops"

We're 4 middle aged American women, staying in Jordaan, interested in sampling a little more than a cup of coffee....but don't want to be in any "sleazy" establishments. Fodors book recommends Greenhouse, Kandinsky, Paradox,
Other Side or Tweede Kamer. Suggestions?
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Feb 8th, 2004, 03:37 AM
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We went to Paradox because it was the closest to our hotel (near the Anne Frank House) and because it had the reputation of being a casual "neighborhood" place. A little hard to find (on a side street), but definitely friendly and comfortable. You can get delicious fresh-squeezed orange juice there too, and other food as well (as I recall).

As for the most important part, they have a good selection of product at a fair price. The counter person was happy to give advice about the merits of various tyupes. We didn't go to any other coffeeshop to compare, but Paradox certainly took care of our smoking needs. (A little goes a long way when you haven't smoked for a bunch of years!)
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Feb 8th, 2004, 04:38 AM
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If you're out and about the BullDog (on Leidensplein) is a loarge commercial establishment. They have other locations around town and the atmosphere (once you get to the "bar" was very nice.

The music was a bit "upbeat/techno" but the staff was quite friendly. All refreshments were priced at 13E and you recieve quantity based on quality. The waitress at our neighborhood restaurant was the big winner, however, as I stopped in the last night we were there on the way to pick up more tonic. It was hard parting with quality product I haven't seen in 20 years but not worth bringing home

Have fun.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 09:26 AM
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"Let's Go Amsterdam" guidebook is very useful in this regard; the chapter called "Only in Amsterdam" has write ups broken down into "shops by neighborhood".

For The Jordaan they suggested: La Tertulia ("defies coffeeshop preconceptions with its big tropical plants, flowers, and shelves full of board games surrounding an indoor waterfull, in the heart of the Jordaan"), also Paradox ("colorful, ready to have a good time"), and Spirit Coffeeshop (arcade games).

I was not in this part of the city but their listings for Leidseplein were right on.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 09:33 AM
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You may want to just go into several coffeeshops and see how they 'feel'. There is always another one if you feel weird. Most are so laid back that you will not sense any sleaze. If you do, leave...you can always come back later. Just make sure you feel comfortable. You can always have a cup of coffee, juice or a beer and get a sense of the atmosphere before doing anything else. Have fun, and go slow!
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Feb 8th, 2004, 09:58 AM
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i enjoyed coffe styx, but it is not that close your hotel, althought amsterdam is rather small so it might only be a 20 min walk, there were several middle aged people there, i would practice rolling a joint (maybe with tabbaco in the us), unless you plan on buying a bowl
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Do we really have to openly encourage, and endorse substance abuse in the most vulgar fashion?

I can think of no more unattractive site than "4 middle aged American women" getting high in Amsterdam. This repulses me on so many levels. People complain about cigar and cigarette smoke, this is infinitely worse.

Why not have a post about syringes & heroin and where to get the best coke in London? Just because something is legal does not make it socially acceptable. So what, it is featured in a book? There are plenty of books that contain material that would offend just about anyone.

Can't you have some decorum and elegance? Mind you "4 middle aged American women" coupled with elegance, an oxymoron indeed.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 10:36 AM
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<<Do we really have to openly encourage, and endorse substance abuse in the most vulgar fashion?>>

Comment: The term "substance abuse" is your personal value judgement of the activity based on your point of view. I didn't really see anything particularly vulgar in this thread. As for what is "socially acceptable", it is obviously not the same for people everywhere. A question was asked and people offered some responses. It is perfectly fine for you to stay out of Amsterdam coffee shops if you find them reprehensible. You can make your choices and others can make theirs.
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I'm sure that this will be useful for someone, and that someone will see it as socially acceptable.

Where can 4 progressively middle-aged American women source heroin in London?

Where can 4 progressively middle-aged American women source Cannabis in London?

Both illegal substances, both mind altering drugs, one addictive, one not. One can kill you, one can't. Both I find socially unacceptable, and really rather offensive, especially when southwardly spreading middle aged American women are involved!
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Feb 8th, 2004, 10:55 AM
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I wonder if m_kingdom was spoofing us with that post. It's so goofily off-the-wall if its prissy self-righteousness that I suspect it's just troll bait.

God help us if he/she is serious!
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Feb 8th, 2004, 11:06 AM
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As if I'd be "spoofing" you over finding "4 middle aged American women" unattractive.
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You presume far too much my dear!
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What if they asked about the best bar to drink in ?
What is the difference ? Just because alcohol is legal here, does that make it socially acceptable ?
I personally think people who drink way too much alcohol are more socially unacceptable & dangerous than someone legally smoking in the proper establishment.
What is socially acceptable to one person may not be to another depending on the social situations you feel comfortable being around.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 12:04 PM
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I find it somewhat amusing to find someone who wants to get high, but in tasteful surroundings.

Reminds meof Lily Tomlin on "Laugh In".
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The question was about Amsterdam, where the practice is common and tolerated. The comparison to engaging in the illegal use of hard drugs in London seems more than a bit out of line. As for middle-aged American women, well, some of my best friends are middle-aged American women. Many are even attractive but why bring that into the discussion at all? There are people of some religions in the world who would find a typical London pub to be a den of inequity and they may not believe women of any age (or relative attractivness) should allow their unveiled faces to be seen in public. Given the choice between those two sets of values, I find the approach exemplified by Amsterdam to be far more acceptable.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 12:35 PM
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My dears - I hate pubs, I hate anything in excess, even krug and caviar.

I only mention middle-aged as the poster themself brought up the age issue.

Cannabis has more physical effects in inducing an euphoric state than cocaine. I'm not talking health issues, I'm talking about the "high" - it is merely less dangerous. Why anyone would want to smoke cannabis in some seedy and dirty dive (which lets face it they all are) in Amsterdam of all places is beyond me.

If you don't 'indulge' in the use of cannabis in the US why bother in Amsterdam - surely you are confusing legal and moral issues. If you view it as socially acceptable in Amsterdam, by logic you assume the drug itself is socially acceptable. Why let legal issues, which lets face it in the unlikely event of you being found in possession of the drug would impose minor or no penalties, stop you using it at home? You don't directly mention you want to smoke cannabis derivatives, you simply state "more than a cup of coffee", and one would not assume you imply making use of the services of an 'escort', too repulsive a thought with "middle aged women" Are you ashamed of wanting to use this drug, or trying to live your past again having missed out on this by the time you are already "middle aged"? If you do have the intention of taking drugs, please be open about it at least!
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Troll alert!
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Just for the record, I believe it is still illegal in Amsterdam. But it is allowed/ignored. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I know that was still the situation two years ago. It was made clear that it is a great misconception that selling marijuana is legal in Amsterdam.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 12:52 PM
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If it is "tolerated" then it may as well be legal. As to the "substance abuse" issue we could go on and on about the DRUGS known as alcohol and nicotine and caffeine.
Actually, I found La Kingdom's posts very VERY consistent others..fussy and somewhat anal but no more so than some other folks here but that is certainly the person's RIGHT to feel that way and express their opinion in this still rather nervously "free" country of ours.
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Patrick, you are correct.
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