7 day vacation- Rome, Venice, Florence
#23

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It's all going to be one huge rush-around. Is that what you want for an anniversary trip? You say it's your first trip abroad together, so I assume you have absolutely no idea what the realities are of packing your bags, getting to a train station, finding your track, getting to it (likely hauling bags down stairs into an underground passage then up again), figuring out what car you are in and finding the place to stand on the quai to have easy access to that, taking the train ride, then doing all that in reverse when you get there plus getting yourself oriented in a new city and getting settled in a new place. That's all before you even venture forth and start to sightsee. And that's all assuming you can read at least a bit of Italian.
I live in Europe and take fairly complicated train trips all the time, and let me tell you they are not hah-ha fun unless you are entirely comfortable with the procedures in the country you are traveling in and can speak the local language in case of something going wrong. Sure, it can all go smoothly, and the train companies want it to, but I can't tell you how many people I see floundering around in train stations in `Europe with little idea of what's going on. You might be brilliant at these sorts of logistics, I don't know. It could also easily degenerate into a logistics nightmare.
You have a severely limited amount of time to spend in Europe. Pick one city and maybe take an easy daytrip or two from it. Otherwise, your anniversary trip is going to be nothing more than packing and unpacking and ablur of train stations and bouts of anxiety about whether you've got this allfigured out or not.
I wish you well. Keep it really simple.
I live in Europe and take fairly complicated train trips all the time, and let me tell you they are not hah-ha fun unless you are entirely comfortable with the procedures in the country you are traveling in and can speak the local language in case of something going wrong. Sure, it can all go smoothly, and the train companies want it to, but I can't tell you how many people I see floundering around in train stations in `Europe with little idea of what's going on. You might be brilliant at these sorts of logistics, I don't know. It could also easily degenerate into a logistics nightmare.
You have a severely limited amount of time to spend in Europe. Pick one city and maybe take an easy daytrip or two from it. Otherwise, your anniversary trip is going to be nothing more than packing and unpacking and ablur of train stations and bouts of anxiety about whether you've got this allfigured out or not.
I wish you well. Keep it really simple.
#25

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Since you have Greg"s interpretation 3 and Rome is your priority I would spend the entire visit in Rome unless you did an open jaw in which case Rome/Venice would be a rushed decent tandem. You could always do a long day trip from Rome to Florence or Venice if you ran out of things to do in Rome.
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I do think you need to talk it over with your wife - and only you and she know what kind of trip you want. Do you want long leisurely meals and lots of sitting in cafes sipping coffee or wine - or do you want to see as much as you can. Both types of trips are OK and there are lots of people who would hate one or the other. Also depends on how 'travel savvy' you are and how much research you want to do ahead. Again, everyone is different. There are plenty of people (on this board and elsewhere) who just love the planning and research (I am one of them). Point is, nothing wrong with just going to Rome and hanging out, maybe take a guided tour to two - don't have to do any research, probably won't get lost. Also nothing wrong with planning a packed full 7 days to see the highlights of three great cities. You have to use common sense. If you had said you wanted to see those cities plus Tuscany, the Amalfi Coast and Sicily. Well that of course if not reasonable. But plenty of people love a relatively whirlwind visit and Venice, Florence and Rome in a week is not crazy.
You fly into Venice, read a guide book or two regarding options of getting from the airport (couple of different ones, cost vs time) but if your plane lands in the morning and you book a hotel near the train station you can easily have dropped your bags and go out for an amazing stroll by lunch time. Best way to deal with jet lag is walk, Venice is made for walking. See a whole lot, have a couple nice meals and go to bed early. Then another full day. The next day have another walk in the morning and take a mid day train to Florence. Buy food to have a picnic lunch on the train (you can get decent lunch food right in the train station). By the time to get to Florence it's mid afternoon, drop your bags at your hotel (somewhere between the train station and the Duomo - it's only about 15 minutes from one to the other) and you have afternoon and evening to sight-see. Another full day in Florence. Then on to Rome for three nights.
You need to decide if you want to spend an hour or so reading up on train travel in Italy (I don't disagree with anything StCirq said but she did kind of make it sound worse than it really is). The train trips between Venice and Florence and Rome are very straight forward. And choose your hotels with location in mind. The booking.com site has a map option which can really help narrow down your choices.
You fly into Venice, read a guide book or two regarding options of getting from the airport (couple of different ones, cost vs time) but if your plane lands in the morning and you book a hotel near the train station you can easily have dropped your bags and go out for an amazing stroll by lunch time. Best way to deal with jet lag is walk, Venice is made for walking. See a whole lot, have a couple nice meals and go to bed early. Then another full day. The next day have another walk in the morning and take a mid day train to Florence. Buy food to have a picnic lunch on the train (you can get decent lunch food right in the train station). By the time to get to Florence it's mid afternoon, drop your bags at your hotel (somewhere between the train station and the Duomo - it's only about 15 minutes from one to the other) and you have afternoon and evening to sight-see. Another full day in Florence. Then on to Rome for three nights.
You need to decide if you want to spend an hour or so reading up on train travel in Italy (I don't disagree with anything StCirq said but she did kind of make it sound worse than it really is). The train trips between Venice and Florence and Rome are very straight forward. And choose your hotels with location in mind. The booking.com site has a map option which can really help narrow down your choices.
#30
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I have a friend taking the exact same itinerary in August this year. She's heading there for her honeymoon. Rome and Florence sound great. If you do want to add another place, consider Milan - it's high on culture and the cathedrals here are very pretty.
#32
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typo -meant there?
Is there not just one cathedral per city?
But the Milan cathedral experts say is:
"Cathedral Milan Duomo Santa Maria Nascente is the most important example of Gothic architecture in Italy."
Not sure there are any other cathedrals in Milan but it is an ABC city - Another Bloody Church everywhere you look and yes they are very pretty inside and out.
Is there not just one cathedral per city?
But the Milan cathedral experts say is:
"Cathedral Milan Duomo Santa Maria Nascente is the most important example of Gothic architecture in Italy."
Not sure there are any other cathedrals in Milan but it is an ABC city - Another Bloody Church everywhere you look and yes they are very pretty inside and out.
#34

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One of the most beautiful, and the oldest, church in Milan is the Basilica di Sant'Ambrogio.
Some fun facts: In most Italian cities, the "Duomo" is the cathedral, but not always. The word "duomo" generally refers the most important church in a city. Some cathedral cities, like Rome, don't have a duomo. There are a few cities, like Ragusa, that have both a duomo and a cathedral. St. Peter's Basilica is neither a cathedral nor a duomo. The cathedral of Rome is St. John Lateran.
Then there is "basilica", which is just an official title for an important church. There can be many basilicas in a city.
Finally, in Milan the Catholic Church follows the liturgy of Saint Ambrose, not the Roman liturgy. Apart from the somewhat different structure of the mass, the calendar is slightly different: Advent is six weeks long, Lent starts on a Saturday, and there are a few other differences.
Some fun facts: In most Italian cities, the "Duomo" is the cathedral, but not always. The word "duomo" generally refers the most important church in a city. Some cathedral cities, like Rome, don't have a duomo. There are a few cities, like Ragusa, that have both a duomo and a cathedral. St. Peter's Basilica is neither a cathedral nor a duomo. The cathedral of Rome is St. John Lateran.
Then there is "basilica", which is just an official title for an important church. There can be many basilicas in a city.
Finally, in Milan the Catholic Church follows the liturgy of Saint Ambrose, not the Roman liturgy. Apart from the somewhat different structure of the mass, the calendar is slightly different: Advent is six weeks long, Lent starts on a Saturday, and there are a few other differences.
#35
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I live in Europe and take fairly complicated train trips all the time, and let me tell you they are not hah-ha fun unless you are entirely comfortable with the procedures in the country you are traveling in and can speak the local language in case of something going wrong.>>
That just about sums me up on my last trip where everything was going swimmingly until I stupidly followed everyone else off my Bologna to Venice train and found myself on the wrong side of the lagoon in Mestre. Idiot or what? luckily there are loads of trains between Mestre and Venice Santa Lucia [the main station] so I was fine, apart from the bruises I had on my leg from where I'd kicked myself. So it can happen to the best of us - and me.
The good news is that I was staying near the station so when I got there I didn't have far to walk. If you would like a recommendation for a very conveniently placed and pleasant hotel close to the station, vaporetto and Alilagua stops, [the water bus that run between Venice and the airport] just ask.
Personally with 6 days I would settle on staying in just Rome and Venice and leave Florence for the next time. If you changed your minds, it's only 90 mins on the train from Rome to Florence. That would be better than trying to get there from Venice from where the journey is over 2 hours.
<<Originally Posted by xcountry
I vote for Florence. She obviously loves Art.>>
Lol, bvl. I read it but didn't see it. We have more snow. You?
and thank you for explaining about Duomi and Basiliche [are those plurals correct?]
That just about sums me up on my last trip where everything was going swimmingly until I stupidly followed everyone else off my Bologna to Venice train and found myself on the wrong side of the lagoon in Mestre. Idiot or what? luckily there are loads of trains between Mestre and Venice Santa Lucia [the main station] so I was fine, apart from the bruises I had on my leg from where I'd kicked myself. So it can happen to the best of us - and me.
The good news is that I was staying near the station so when I got there I didn't have far to walk. If you would like a recommendation for a very conveniently placed and pleasant hotel close to the station, vaporetto and Alilagua stops, [the water bus that run between Venice and the airport] just ask.
Personally with 6 days I would settle on staying in just Rome and Venice and leave Florence for the next time. If you changed your minds, it's only 90 mins on the train from Rome to Florence. That would be better than trying to get there from Venice from where the journey is over 2 hours.
<<Originally Posted by xcountry

I vote for Florence. She obviously loves Art.>>
Lol, bvl. I read it but didn't see it. We have more snow. You?
and thank you for explaining about Duomi and Basiliche [are those plurals correct?]
#36

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Hi Ann, your purals are correct, although I've never heard anyone use the plural of "duomo".
Our snowfall has all melted away, except on the mountains. We're supposed to get more snow on Wednesday, but I don't know if I believe it. It's almost impossible to predict snow where we live, in the foothills of the Apennines. We could have rain, and the next town uphill, a stone's throw from us, could have snow.
I think almost everyone missed xcountry's little joke.
Our snowfall has all melted away, except on the mountains. We're supposed to get more snow on Wednesday, but I don't know if I believe it. It's almost impossible to predict snow where we live, in the foothills of the Apennines. We could have rain, and the next town uphill, a stone's throw from us, could have snow.
I think almost everyone missed xcountry's little joke.
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Hi Ann, your purals are correct, although I've never heard anyone use the plural of "duomo">>
Thanks, bvl, and Hi back at you. I would have looked them up in my Italian dictionary but it's outside in the car and when I wanted to post that reply it was freezing outside thanks to the "beast from the east Mark 2" that hit us yesterday. I hope that it misses you because they had to close the road that I would have taken to get home from my mum's, had I ben foolish enough to try to get there.
It just struck me that I'd never heard the plurals of either word, and wondered what they were. Glad my instincts were right!
Almost everyone missed the joke, but not you!
Thanks, bvl, and Hi back at you. I would have looked them up in my Italian dictionary but it's outside in the car and when I wanted to post that reply it was freezing outside thanks to the "beast from the east Mark 2" that hit us yesterday. I hope that it misses you because they had to close the road that I would have taken to get home from my mum's, had I ben foolish enough to try to get there.
It just struck me that I'd never heard the plurals of either word, and wondered what they were. Glad my instincts were right!
Almost everyone missed the joke, but not you!
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Pal - it was by way of being a linguistic joke rather than a suggestion that we should all start using it.
bvl - it's one of our family bugbears - every time someone says 'I'll have a panini" we do a group wince. [except they usually say "I'll get a panini" and then we have to wince twice"]
bvl - it's one of our family bugbears - every time someone says 'I'll have a panini" we do a group wince. [except they usually say "I'll get a panini" and then we have to wince twice"]


