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Jan 10th, 2003, 07:45 PM

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ahme

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So, Tod--- you make it sound as though this was as bad as hernia surgery. "horrific suffering"--my god. upset tummy, trots, etc. Boy oh boy some of you should stand back and get a grip. Those symptons have been with mankind since time. Had not the media blown this all out of proportion, it would have passed unnoticed. " could have been prevented had you been warned"???? Again, you sound like the cruise lines had a horrible secret they unleashed on the poor unsuspecting public. How many people DIDN'T know about this? " high probability you might get this" So--you might get "this", strepp, t.b. or anything else at the mall, store, hotel, airline, or anywhere there is people. The cruise lines didn't invent this nor did they start it. It is spread by people who have it, show up on the ship and in the closed atmosphere it spreads. All of those throngs of people who got this and were subject to "horrific suffering (your words)" only amounted to a handful of passengers as compared to the 98.5 % who did NOT get it. Exactly what, my dear TOD, would you have done,keeping in mind the 98.5% of people who wanted their cruise, who went on their cruise without a problem and enjoyed it? Would you have canceled cruising in general? One last thing--at the marine recruit depot in california, there was a strepp like infection going around. 1 died, 24 were in the hospital. You know how many time I saw that on the news??? 1 time. That was several weeks back and to my knowledge has not been mentioned again. Guess it just didn't warrant mentioning. Now, a cruise ship with 3200 people on board and 100 sick with a tummy ache, now THATs news.

Jan 10th, 2003, 08:02 PM

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The CDC inspects the sanitary conditions on cruise ships. How major lines scored: Silversea: 96.3 Disney: 95.7 Celebrity: 95.0 Costa: 94.9 Princess: 94.4 Royal Caribbean: 94.3 Holland America: 94.3 Crystal: 94.2 Radisson Seven Seas: 93.7 Norwegian: 93.6 Seabourn: 92.9 Carnival: 92.7 Cunard: 90.1 Average scores for all inspections since Jan. 1, 1998 Source: CDC, USA TODAY

Jan 10th, 2003, 08:22 PM

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Just saw on another board there is a virus in the Houston area in a school or two and they are calling it the "cruise virus". Wonder if it will be the talk of the news media for weeks on end now, or if they will just let it pass?

Jan 10th, 2003, 10:19 PM

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For "not" or whatever your name .... I never defend the cruise lines if the complaint is ligitimate. I tell them what to do to rectify. It simple to tell what a ligitimate complaint is. Those that are not, are general complaints, such as "the food was crappy - the steward was never seen - there was puke all over the ship - no one could speak english" etc. Senseless people get all bent out of shape when they hear compalints like this. They actually believe these complaints. Paul

Jan 12th, 2003, 01:31 PM

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So, I can quit feeling so paranoid about wahing my hands so much and wiping my tray and armrest on the airplane with antibacterial wipes, etc. I catch "something or other" at least every other time I fly. I guess catching something will always be one of the risks of travel of any kind. Linda

Jan 12th, 2003, 11:50 PM

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Any one person can bring the illness onto a ship. That one person could have acquired the virus on a plane going to the ship. This actually happened on a flight from Britain to a cruise ship. Everyone brings up the Tylenol faisco. That was a criminal act. Yes, they pulled all the bottles and hoped the criminal would not do it again. Cruise ships have an entirely different problem. Certainly can not shut down the industry. Would put a million people out of work. What will that do to the economy? Tylenol was easy, they just raised their prices a few cents. Paul

Jan 13th, 2003, 05:05 AM

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Paul Paul Paul. So shutting down an entire production line, retrieving all the product, and redeveloping an entire marketing campaign is easy. Man maybe you should be running a Fortune 500 company instead of that "Grumpy" fellow.

Jan 13th, 2003, 06:40 AM

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LINDA - anti-bacterial wipes will do nothing against a virus, just as handwashing won't guard against heart attacks.

Jan 13th, 2003, 06:44 AM

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xx ([email protected])-Since you dragged me into this nonsense, here's what I have to say: There are solid ethical business decisions based upon the situation made by people with access to the facts and risks involved, and there are people who like to yell, feel maligned, and shoot from the hip with little or no knowledge. What knowledge do you have of the decision process worked through by J&J?

Jan 13th, 2003, 07:01 AM

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Grumpy. Spoken like a true spin doctor. Say everything and nothing at the same time. Are you a politician too? I hear you are a professor,author, and all around guru of all.

Jan 13th, 2003, 12:12 PM

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So if you walk into a store where employees have had the flu or a virus, the store should let you know when you enter that you may be at risk of getting sick????

Jan 13th, 2003, 01:42 PM

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Tina

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If they are going to keep you in that store for the next week after spending thousands of dollars. Yes!

Jan 14th, 2003, 05:42 AM

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linda

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I just don't understand how people can blame the cruise lines for catching a virus, you can catch one anywhere you go, it's a risk you take when you leave the house everyday.

Jan 14th, 2003, 06:40 AM

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Tina

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No ones directly blaming them for catching the virus, just not making sure their patrons were warned properly.

Jan 14th, 2003, 07:59 AM

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linda

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Warned or refunded? From all the articles I have read the cruise ships have warned passengers and some have even offered refunds. They have been sterilizing and scrubbing ships from top to bottom, before, during and after cruises, they have been cancelling cruises to do so. What more should they do? How is it their fault that some idiot gets on a ship sick rather than cancel his or her cruise. That person(s)is the one who is responsible, not the cruise lines. Maybe cruise ships should require complete physicals, blood and urine tests for everyone before they are allowed to board the ship. Then they would be blamed for the riots that occur from people getting aggrivated with the waiting time. Get real, take some personal responsibility and wash your hands more. Life is not perfect and there are no promises.

Jan 14th, 2003, 08:48 AM

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Linda—well said. That’s just about the size of it. There are always people who think they are entitled to a risk-free existence just because. Nowhere in the cruise contract does it say you are entitled to a risk-free cruise. Just the opposite. Good marketing may indicate a refund, but it is not the cruiser’s right…irrespective of what the California attorneys may argue. There are also other people who shoot from the hip and put out opinions as if there are facts. Case in point is the Tylenol analogy from a college student. He has brought up this case more than once as he read of it in his marketing textbook. I personally know of the agonizing J&J went through before action. Interestingly, these folks will not stand behind their opinions but hide behind anonymity. To argue that a cruiser was not advised of the possibility of a GI virus is to admit the poster was living under a rock. Next, they will demand a warning similar to a pharmaceutical label, pages and pages outlining the potential risk.

Jan 15th, 2003, 04:46 AM

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Well took your advice and Linda you are right. According to the CDC the best way to prevent getting the Norwalk virus is: "Yes. Persons can reduce their chance of getting infected by frequent handwashing, prompt disinfection of contaminated surfaces with household chlorine bleach-based cleaners, and prompt washing of soiled articles of clothing. If food or water is thought to be contaminated, it should be avoided." I was wrong and thought since I was quick to condemn I should be equally quick to apoligize. I still think that the cruise lines did not adequately inform the public, but that is my opinion.

Jan 15th, 2003, 04:48 AM

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linda

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Apology accepted and also your difference of opinion. It's what makes the world go round...

Jan 15th, 2003, 06:16 AM

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There seems to be a belief on this board that opinions are sacred, but facts are just made up by spin-doctors. Come on! Facts, provable data, should override personal feelings. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Jan 15th, 2003, 07:28 AM

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Isn't that what I just said in my last statement quoted from the CDC's own web page.

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