Can half of the US move to Canada?
Nov 5th, 2004 | 01:54 PM
#22
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Glad to hear that you are staying to "fight the good fight". Not only is it important for America, but for the rest of the world who can only stand back in amazement and watch.
Come up here and visit any time though, all Americans are still welcome in my books as I can truthfully say I have never met any that I did not like. (politicians excluded)
Come up here and visit any time though, all Americans are still welcome in my books as I can truthfully say I have never met any that I did not like. (politicians excluded)
Nov 6th, 2004 | 10:49 AM
#25
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This has been a hot topic in my office all week - and the in ofice fighting that has never happened before regarding politics has just been ugly.
My husband and I already have our tickets, we leave for New Foundland January 20th - I've been working on this trip for months and it couldn't come at a better time.
My husband and I already have our tickets, we leave for New Foundland January 20th - I've been working on this trip for months and it couldn't come at a better time.
Nov 6th, 2004 | 11:37 AM
#26
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I'm sorry that all of you feel so disappointed. My own sister and her husband voted for Kerry and were very disheartened. I certainly don't think Bush is Savior of the world -- or even the U.S., for that matter -- but I did vote for him. I am saddened that by merely saying that, most of you will think I am "liar," "fear-mongerer," "hater," a "slimy, religious phony," an "advocate of deception," and a "moron." I truly don't believe that any of those name-calling labels would characterize me, my husband, or many of the others who voted for Bush.
Nov 6th, 2004 | 01:51 PM
#28
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All Democrats should chill out and take a valium or two and remember the fact that the world survived Regan and Nixon.
That being said, all Democrats should get to work on creating a new vision of America.
Items on the agenda should include:
1: Election Costs - Why does it require a half a billion dollars to be spent on a presidential election?
Furthermore, the US deserves a person
such as FDR or Tony Blair yet elects actors, crooks and cowboys.
2: The deficit - let's face it, taxes
in the US need to rise and government expenditure needs to go down to pay off the massive government deficit - this year it's 500 billion which is the size of the entire Canadian long term debt. By contrast, Canada and the UK run budget surpluses.
Remeber, you get the society you pay for.
3: Embrace cultural diversity.
4: Respect the original notions of the US Constitution and reject the creeping evolution of the police state. Right now the only defence against the Patriot act is the courts.
5: Revitalise the entreprenural spirt of Americans as a way of providing jobs.
6: Work to strengthen collective rights.
That being said, all Democrats should get to work on creating a new vision of America.
Items on the agenda should include:
1: Election Costs - Why does it require a half a billion dollars to be spent on a presidential election?
Furthermore, the US deserves a person
such as FDR or Tony Blair yet elects actors, crooks and cowboys.
2: The deficit - let's face it, taxes
in the US need to rise and government expenditure needs to go down to pay off the massive government deficit - this year it's 500 billion which is the size of the entire Canadian long term debt. By contrast, Canada and the UK run budget surpluses.
Remeber, you get the society you pay for.
3: Embrace cultural diversity.
4: Respect the original notions of the US Constitution and reject the creeping evolution of the police state. Right now the only defence against the Patriot act is the courts.
5: Revitalise the entreprenural spirt of Americans as a way of providing jobs.
6: Work to strengthen collective rights.
Nov 6th, 2004 | 03:36 PM
#29
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Nov 6th, 2004 | 06:16 PM
#31
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Re Martinis
Adopting a buy America policy means that
a) Valium is not politically correct as it is made by Roche - a Swiss company
b) Martini's are out of the question as the ingredients likely to be owned by a British liquor conglomerate.
A drink based on Jack Daniels or Southern Comfort would be an all American antidepressant.
A Californian Pinot Noir might do the trick.
Adopting a buy America policy means that
a) Valium is not politically correct as it is made by Roche - a Swiss company
b) Martini's are out of the question as the ingredients likely to be owned by a British liquor conglomerate.
A drink based on Jack Daniels or Southern Comfort would be an all American antidepressant.
A Californian Pinot Noir might do the trick.
Nov 8th, 2004 | 12:07 PM
#37
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You should spend some time reading Canadian newspapers before continunig this discussion. Life over the 49th parallel is not that rosy with a troubled economy, a health care system on the brink of a collapse, and a corrupt ruling coalition government that's in power only because they hated the conservative more then the corrupt Labor party.
I lived in Canada for awhile and loved it, but was shell-shocked by the chunk paying taxes took out of my wallet and not really getting that many services in return.
I lived in Canada for awhile and loved it, but was shell-shocked by the chunk paying taxes took out of my wallet and not really getting that many services in return.
Nov 8th, 2004 | 12:43 PM
#39
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I logged on to inquire about Montreal, but saw the posts about the election in the U.S. Yes, I was pained at the outcome and contemplated an exodus, but as a person of color, I considered all that those before me suffered.
I (we) can suffer another Bush presidency because many have suffered worst and have weathered the proverbial "storm". The conservatives in the U.S. would love it if us hated liberals ran away, but the battle is merely lost and not the war.
My partial belief is that those who voted for Bush will get what they deserve. They'll pay the price for their ignorance, racism, etc. When they can't breath; drink clean water; get decent, affordable medical care; get (or keep a decent job); etc., only then will they see the error of their ways.
We will have to suffer along with them, but maybe this will bring more of us like-minded people out to the polls. Remember, only about 51% of those registered voted. I'll bet a good number of those who did not vote thought as many of us do.
Keep the faith, so to speak, and make something happen locally, which is where most politics happen. Get on a commission, run for office, submit opinion/commentary to a newspaper, but just stay informed and try to inform others. Don't just speak to like-minded people. It'll be tough, but speak to those on the other side who may be open to new ideas. Of course, that's the problem with conservatives in the U.S. They are rarely going to change their minds. I often wish that we liberals were as steadfast in our beliefs.
Anyway, as has been written, we appreciate the sentiments of you kind Canadians. All of us Americans are not Bush supporters. If it's what you're into, pray for those who voted for him, and pray for those of us who have to live with the results.
I (we) can suffer another Bush presidency because many have suffered worst and have weathered the proverbial "storm". The conservatives in the U.S. would love it if us hated liberals ran away, but the battle is merely lost and not the war.
My partial belief is that those who voted for Bush will get what they deserve. They'll pay the price for their ignorance, racism, etc. When they can't breath; drink clean water; get decent, affordable medical care; get (or keep a decent job); etc., only then will they see the error of their ways.
We will have to suffer along with them, but maybe this will bring more of us like-minded people out to the polls. Remember, only about 51% of those registered voted. I'll bet a good number of those who did not vote thought as many of us do.
Keep the faith, so to speak, and make something happen locally, which is where most politics happen. Get on a commission, run for office, submit opinion/commentary to a newspaper, but just stay informed and try to inform others. Don't just speak to like-minded people. It'll be tough, but speak to those on the other side who may be open to new ideas. Of course, that's the problem with conservatives in the U.S. They are rarely going to change their minds. I often wish that we liberals were as steadfast in our beliefs.
Anyway, as has been written, we appreciate the sentiments of you kind Canadians. All of us Americans are not Bush supporters. If it's what you're into, pray for those who voted for him, and pray for those of us who have to live with the results.
Nov 8th, 2004 | 01:02 PM
#40
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To Mike T:
Where do you get your information from?
The economy is doing great in Canada.
The Canadian dollar has risen from .73US to .83US within the last year.
The Canadian government is not corrupt.
Canada is one of the least corrupt nations on the planet.
The healthcare system is not falling apart. My parents have been well served and promptly served by the system and they also benefit from the drugs plan - without medicare they would be broke and my sister, brother and myself would be left footing the bill when we are trying to save for retirement.
We are a liberal democracy that believes everyone has a place in society in order that they may fully contribute to building Canada - one of the world's most enviable places to live.
Thursday November 11 is Remembrance Day.
All across Canada in every village and town and every church build before 1918 is a War Memorial for World War One. Canada, a country of 13 million lost 60,000 soldiers with 173,000 wounded. In World War II, Canada along with the British and Americans landed a division at D-Day. My dad was there. In both wars, it was the Canadians and Australians the Germans feared the most. In Korea, the Princess Patricias Light Infrantry recieved a US Presidential citation at the battle of Kapyong
(http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-flags/ppcli.htm)
In honour for those who died for Canada, take a few moments to read the following story of Flight-Lieutenant Hornell:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub...ations/hornell
Where do you get your information from?
The economy is doing great in Canada.
The Canadian dollar has risen from .73US to .83US within the last year.
The Canadian government is not corrupt.
Canada is one of the least corrupt nations on the planet.
The healthcare system is not falling apart. My parents have been well served and promptly served by the system and they also benefit from the drugs plan - without medicare they would be broke and my sister, brother and myself would be left footing the bill when we are trying to save for retirement.
We are a liberal democracy that believes everyone has a place in society in order that they may fully contribute to building Canada - one of the world's most enviable places to live.
Thursday November 11 is Remembrance Day.
All across Canada in every village and town and every church build before 1918 is a War Memorial for World War One. Canada, a country of 13 million lost 60,000 soldiers with 173,000 wounded. In World War II, Canada along with the British and Americans landed a division at D-Day. My dad was there. In both wars, it was the Canadians and Australians the Germans feared the most. In Korea, the Princess Patricias Light Infrantry recieved a US Presidential citation at the battle of Kapyong
(http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-flags/ppcli.htm)
In honour for those who died for Canada, take a few moments to read the following story of Flight-Lieutenant Hornell:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub...ations/hornell
