Working in Australia without a Visa?

Nov 12th, 2004, 05:17 PM
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Neil

No I said that those who think they can get away without following the law whine how unfair it is. Often these are not refugees but English, Americans etc etc and Australian who do not like it are in the majority. It is probably because of the refugee situation that some think it only applies to certain nationalities and not theirs. I think this reaction is normal considering the imbecile leftist response that immigration here is racist. It implies if you are white you not need to follow the law. Then they complain when they find themselves in immigration detention.

And no her message was clearly that she felt by entering the country with a tourist via that she considered that as legal entry to Australia. It does not. Some Amercian dancers you may recall entered Australia with tourist visa and actually told the immigration official they were going to do a show. they were all carted off to immigration without ever leaving the airport. A bit the same when Molly went to the US and did not have the appropiate visa.

It is very very much a country that is defined by border control and immigration control and it is bleeding obvious to anyone living in the real world that that this is desired by almost the totalitiy of the Australian population. Because so many are immigrant here and because they can see it does work in favour of immigrants in the long term.

Like it was mentioned illegal immigrants get bad pay but nowhere in this world do immigrants get paid as equally as they do here. Both in the US and Europe where illegal immigration is somewhat acepted there are huge disparity in pay and employment. Even social status.

So to be honest with you you can take your tired little propoganda campaign and shove where the sun don't shine. You certainly do not speak as a majority otherwise your nutcase Bob Brown would be running this country...right into the ground.

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Nov 12th, 2004, 05:53 PM
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Now, Jane, behave yourself please; as you well know, this is a forum whose standards would do credit to a vicar's tea party, and I don't want you getting us into trouble. Regular posters here will be aware of my stern opposition to anything even remotely off-topic, to say nothing of political debates, so I will maintain a dignified silence. (For the next hour or so, anyway.)

Amya, it just occurred to me that you might have more luck (and incur less disapproval) on the Lonely Planet 'Thorntree' discussion forum.
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Nov 13th, 2004, 01:05 AM
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amya

Go ahead work here illegally. Get a job as a housekeeper for $100 a week like the illegals do in the states.

Go ahead, undermine the efforts of our unions and reduce the value of labour for unskilled workers like the US has.

But there are greater than 90% Australians anti- ilegal workers, but sure you would make Neil a happy man. He has offered to exploit your labour and no doubt would love if others do the same.

Some just love the chance to get their hands on slave labour.
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Nov 13th, 2004, 01:16 AM
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Checked out Neil's thorntree on your behalf.

The first suggestion for someone wanting to work without a visa was to "rent your arse out in St Kilda".

Sure Neil meant to be helpful though.

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Nov 13th, 2004, 02:22 AM
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amya, the foregoing unpleasantness is not typical of our country. Please don't be deterred from visiting Australia, whatever employment arrangements you decide to make. You can ignore the intemperate comments posted here, but take due note of the more balanced warnings.
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Nov 13th, 2004, 02:54 PM
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If you are under 30, Australia has a "young people's visa" which does allow you to work and is quite inexpensive.
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Nov 14th, 2004, 12:51 PM
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Golly gosh! and I neally didn't read any more of this post - great stuff Jane and Neil! I am so sad that Alan is away and not here to read this he would get a buzz out of it.

"So to be honest with you you can take your tired little propoganda campaign and shove where the sun don't shine. You certainly do not speak as a majority otherwise your nutcase Bob Brown would be running this country...right into the ground"

Well said Jane! However we must point out to Amya that this was not directed at her in any way and perhaps we should explain that Neil does "dress" to the "left" as we clods up here in Queensland would say. In that respect, Neil's views differ in many ways from the majority of the population ( I can say that with authority now as we have recently had an election and the voice of the people rang loud and strong!
BUT Neil is a great Chef and has some really wonderful recipes and therefore for the first time in my life I will "talk to the political enemy" because I happen to think that some of what Neil says is really good quality stuff.
amya1234- it is NOT illegal to work in the scheme that WWOOF and for what its worth the amount of work that you do does not take away from your holiday. In respect to the idea that I had that if you came here you could certainly work for me for board and lodging, I was quite serious when I said that and for a few hours helping out for a week you get to have food, and a roof over your hear - and if I say so myself a very nice roof over your head for that matter in a very nice part of Australia - that is quite legal as well and I made that as a genuine offer.
So you have it in a nutshell - don't spoil what would be a wonderful experience by not doing the right thing. Yes we, being the majority that Neil hates, get very p.......d off at people who get into Australia and work and then get arrested and cry all the way to the detention centre. So for a few hours per week you can work - legally - for your board and lodging, which incidently is not to be sneezed at, AND you would get the chance to see more of Australia and meet Aussies in their own environment to boot. Accommodation and food is the biggest expense when you are on holiday as getting around Australia is not that expensive.
Do enjoy our country, as you have seen we do like to have differing opinions and we don't hide that fact to 'anyone'. However most of us have more bark than bite and we can behave ourselves when necessary :0)
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Nov 14th, 2004, 03:13 PM
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Whilst I may not have voiced it in such vitriolic terms I say "hear, hear" to Jane. I agree with your sentiments exactly. Britain will ship you straight back from whence you came if they even suspect you may be turning up to work there on a tourist visa and so they should. Anyone who condones working illegally is, as Jane says, completely undermining the very fabric of what our unions have worked for over the years. And love them or hate them we have some of the best working and pay conditions in the world to show for it.
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Nov 14th, 2004, 10:12 PM
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amya, I hope you've learnt your lesson. Persist with your sinister plans for world (well, South Australian) domination and the Court of Public Opinion will hold you personally responsible for aiding and abetting the white-anting of our cherished free enterprise system, 150 years of work by the Australian trade union movement and quite possibly giving aid and comfort to Osama bin Laden. You will doubtless be interned indefinitely in Australia's own Gulag Archipelago, somewhere in the shifting sands of the South Australian desert, and subjected to personal indignities which modesty prevents me detailing. And it will be all your fault, you bad girl.

Seriously, I think everyone knows that large parts of the Australian tourist industry would be in dire straits if it were not for backpacker labour, legit and otherwise. And these people aren't doing nearly as much to subvert Australian workers' pay and conditions as Liz's lovely government, whose avowed aim is to "deregulate" the industrial relations system (to the uninitiated, code for shifting the balance of negotiating power from employees to employers).

The convenience of such a ready source of labour may be one reason why our government, a good friend of business, shows little enthusiasm for pursuing the biggest single category of immigration "illegals" - people who've overstayed their visa and conveniently happen to have white faces and speak English, even if it is with a Cockney or Mancunian accent.

Whether you do it legit or take the risk of being sprung and booted out of the country is up to you. Have a great time in Adelaide!
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Nov 15th, 2004, 12:44 AM
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Neil, you have been drinking more of your spirits than putting it in the sauces you make, hense your cockeyed perception of the system of Government of this country.
I hate to be the person who brings this bad news but the Maxist philosophy of "the workers versus Industry" went out in the 60's. If you hadn't noticed, the Australian worker under a conservative Government has shorter working hours, longer holidays, extra benefits than it has ever had under any other Government and the other, but rather huge, benefit has been the Australia is not bankrupt anymore - like it was when a certain Socialist/Marxist/dick-head was in power. As "small business" - meaning the very little people like myself who employs 1/2 a person per week makes up 87% of the business workforce, whilst big business makes up the rest one would have to say that it appears that the "little person" and not the Industrial Giant has had the biggest say in what goes on in the Government of this country. Shifting the power from the worker to Big Business was what Marx & his ilk sprooked about and
I can only assume that you are statistically challanged or a blind ostrich. Whatever turns you on Neil is fine but stick with the truth! As there is only a very small % of Australians who are "workers" in your terms what the bloody hell do you think people like myself and my husband are?
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Nov 15th, 2004, 03:43 AM
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well maybe I should stay out of this as I'm not part of the "in" crowd, and I am not Australian to boot. But I can't. The point about the Australian tourist/ hospitality industry subsisting on the work of backpackers is indisputable. But those b/p are here legitimately on a working holiday visa - and the same industry in the UK depends heavily on the labour of Aussies and Kiwis - also there on a legit visa. A LEGIT VISA. They know (dear Jane) that they will be working at rock bottom wages; and, dear Danielle - I haven't heard a peep out of the unions about it - it is after all, legal.

There have to be rules. And this is not the place to address the question of refugees/asylum seekers. But I have to say - I just have to - that I find the right wingers on here pretty nasty. Your snide swipes at Bob Brown just show how ignorant you are. Anything for short term gain.

But please, Neil, no laughing about being caught and locked up. It wouldn't be funny if it happened to you - and the poster who advised that the best reason of all for not breaking visa conditions would be that you could never come here again hit the nail on the head.
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Nov 15th, 2004, 05:51 AM
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Just a quick note, but a 3month tourist visa costs nothing. someone charging 25.00 is pocketing the $$
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Nov 15th, 2004, 02:32 PM
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Hello Heretoday,

Some travel agents and some airlines charge nothing to apply for Electronic Travel Authorities (ETAs) on behalf of their clients. But not all travel agents and not all airlines provide the free service.

In the United States it costs nothing (at least in theory) to apply for an ETA from the Australian embassy in Washington, DC or from an Australian consulate in Atlanta, Chicago, Honolulu, Los Angeles, New York City, or San Francisco.

However, one needs to pay postage and allow at least 21 days if one applies through the mail. If one applies at the embassy or one of the consulates in person, one incurs the cost of bus / train fare, gasoline and parking, or air fare, as the case may be.

One can apply online, from Australia's Department of Immigration and Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs (DIMIA). The ETA itself costs nothing, but there is a 20 AUD (15.50 USD) service charge, payable by credit card, for a private individual to apply through DIMIA's website:

http://www.eta.immi.gov.au/ETAAus4En.html

So, for practical purposes, a private individual cannot always obtain an ETA for free, even if he/she goes directly to the source and does not use an intermediary.
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Nov 27th, 2004, 08:19 PM
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Hello Neil, well I came across the pond for a visit (now that Thanksgiving is over) and see that the land of Oz has as many raging debates as we do. :-S

Just goes to prove, life is the same everywhere. Will be back for a visit later.
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Nov 28th, 2004, 01:01 AM
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Whew, LoveItaly, am I glad it's you! I saw that someone had revived this thread and started to twitch, thinking I was about to be beaten up again.
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Nov 28th, 2004, 01:17 AM
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Well dear Neil, you did invite me over again, remember, so I took you up on your invitation. But didn't mean to make you twitch and shake LOL.:-"

But us Scots, even if we live elsewhere have to stick together. And no one can beat up a Scot! No matter where they live. Take good care. And if you are still twitching go have a good mug of beer, good for the nerves you know. At least dear old Dad thought so.
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Nov 28th, 2004, 03:42 PM
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lizf...your leader would be so proud of you! By the way I haven't noticed in any of Neil's posts that he "hates" anyone! amya...aren't you glad you asked?
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Nov 29th, 2004, 04:02 PM
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I didn't think I did either, Peteralan. Liz is normally the milk of human kindness personified, but anyone can get a little stressed, especially in Queensland, where you really need two cold showers a day. (I'm not sure which Marx she was talking about - Groucho or Harpo. I'd better get out my video of "Horse Feathers".)

LoveItaly, I'd love to have a beer, as today's forecast for Canberra is 38C/100F (Sydney, would you believe 42C/107F?). What was I saying about cold showers? Problem is, my doctor, who practiced for a while in France, put me on a red wine diet years ago. Well, I guess one wouldn't hurt...
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Nov 29th, 2004, 04:12 PM
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Neil - was about to offer sympathy for today's forecasts, both Canberra and Sydney. Up here in Far North Queensland it's a comparatively balmy 31C max. Liz lives in south east Queensland - around max 33C today.
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Nov 29th, 2004, 04:20 PM
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But I think Liz is AWOL in the USA, isn't she?
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