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Apr 17th, 2005, 07:51 PM
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I just stopped by the room and saw your post. When I read about the business owner's complaints in the local paper next morning, it included a name and a picture of the main character. I've never heard of him, and according to the newspaper article, he's fairly unkown at this point of his career.

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Sounds like you are a real charmer ! lol

Those drive by shootings are not common but not unheard of either. The location though is a bit unusual.

You missed today in Sydney...tropical almost too hot. !! It would be over 90 in your language.
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Apr 18th, 2005, 02:10 AM
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I was hoping to get away from the HOT weather. Oh well, I guess I can't complain!

Guess what? Another city, another movie production. Walked right into filming of "Ghost Writer", a new Nicolas Cage flick.

They took over the Yarra River, right next to Southbank Promenade today. How weird is it to see American (no city specification) Sheriff Police cars, sheriff uniforms, SWAT teams, helicopter, etc. during a vacation in Melbourne. BIG production! Hundreds of people working, lights everywhere (my camera did not need a flash and it was dark everywhere else). It was fun, sitting at a nice outdoor bar, sipping a Chardonnay, snapping pictures and seeing a SWAT team walk right by. Also took some nice shots (I hope) of couple of the scenes, bunch of cops, led by Cage's character (I think, I really don't know the story) getting off their motorcycles, cars and followed by SWAT teams across the pedestrian bridge. Also some blow up scenes and a low flying helicopter.


Time for dinner. See Ya!
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glad you are having a great time!
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Apr 19th, 2005, 01:36 PM
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Don't have time to do a report this morning, but I just want to report the headline in ALL Australian papers this morning.

9 Australian citizens, ages 18-29, were arrested by the Indonesian police yesterday or day before for smuggling drugs. They all face death penalty and most will probably get it. I just saw the early morning "Today" kind of a show on TV and they interviewed the father of the only female involved, age 27, and it was sad. He agreed that the kid deserves severe punishment for what she's done, but has problems, as many here do, that the Australian Federal Police tipped the Indonesians and not waited for these kids to show up at the Sydney airport to arrest them. I believe that 4 or 5 of them were actually already sitting on the plane ready for take off to Sydney when they were arrested. Instead of facing many years in jail, the Australian kids will now most likely face a firing squad in couple of years if not sooner.

Any thoughts?

Also, a warning to anybody that EVEN thinks about it. Visiting Asia?, DON't even think about it. It's that simple. Is your life worth the $ you make? It was reported that few of these kids were doing this for $10,000AUS. Now they could die.
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Apr 19th, 2005, 01:49 PM
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oh my God.
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Apr 19th, 2005, 02:04 PM
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I watch Sunrise, turn channel..happier place!

It is a little hard to find sympathy for these people as we have had well covered emotional case of Schapelle Corby so ignorance of the law there cannot be claimed. Even though the death penalty is an extreme punishment they knew what that penalty was.

I hope that the federal governemnt tries to get them out of death penalty but they may even prefer it to a life sentance in an Indonesian prison. I guess another option is that they serve their time in Australia.

However I do not agree that the Australian police should have waited until they arriived in Australia then made their move. Police are about stopping crime, not making judgement calls about the consequences. Once they make judgment calls, especially when working with police from other nations it then can become political.
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What you may not know AA is that for the last 3 months or so there has been a case in Indonesia of an Australian girl who is facing trial for drug trafficing into Bali. It has been in every paper and on every TV station in Australia almost every day. What I am saying here is that it is well known that trafficing in drugs into and out of Asia is inviting a death penalty. It is well known, we have had people from Australia put to death in Asia and still they try it. Sure its a harsh penalty, sure they could have waited until these kids ( and adults) got to Australia with the drugs - but perhaps there is something that we do not know about this situation and cannot make a judgement without that information. However the bottom line is this: if those kids or adults or anyone for that matter traffic in drugs and get caught then that takes away the chance that those drugs will be on the streets in Australia, my children and other people's children will not become an adict with everything that goes with it. If you have ever treated someone with a heroin addiction or had a member of your family with an addiction then I bet you would not have any sympathy for those who make money from the importation of it and the sale of it. Too many younger lives have been ruined by people who wish to make a quick profit from the suffering of others and that AA is nothing short of murder itself! Those 9 Australians probably did not take time to care how many lives their actions would have ruined, how many deaths would occur from their selfish profiteering. Sorry but I have no sympathy for them because everywhere you go as you enter Asia and as you leave Australia for Asia the warnings are there. Its like saying " well he did commit murder but he is only 18".
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Apr 19th, 2005, 02:48 PM
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Please read my post again.......

1. I do know every detail of Schapelle Corby's case. In my line of work I need to be a news junkie and I also get reports from the "official" sources on a daily basis. I DO believe she's guilty as charged. The notion that "she didn't know" is the ONLY legal defense she has left. It has not worked for too may defendants and I don't think it will for her, still I hope that her life will be spared.

2. These kids/young adults are also guilty as charged. 4 or 5 of them had the heroin strapped to their bodies. They can't even use the "I don't know how it got there" defense. I don't have any sympathy for any of them.

3. We Americans are also well aware of what happens when one tries to make a quick buck travelling through many Asian countries. There were some stupid, young Americans executed as well. There was also a IMHO, a funny story about the young son of a American diplomat that decided to spray paint cars with his buddies in Singapore. They got caught and he received 100 lashes and was sent packing. I could almost guarantee he will NEVER do that again.

4. It's ludicrous of our governments to pressure the drug manufacturing countries to write tough laws and fight the drug barons on one side, but get soft and passionate when one of our own citizens gets caught.

So far I believe we agree,


1. I also think it's ludicrous that our governments sanction the sale of alcohol under the disguise that it's totally controlled and sold only to responsibe adults, yrt many lives and families are ruined because of it.

2. Drugs, just like alcohol will ruin the lives of a certain percentage of population. End of story Regardless if it's legal or not somebody will be there to provide it to the folks that want it. This is my belief and you don't have to agree - Our governments have to realize that simple fact and deal with it just like they do with alcohol. Lives will be ruined, but is it any different now?

3. CEOs of ruined corporations that destroyed hundreds, thousands of lives, either individual or families, either stock owners or employees, because of their greed get 5-10 years, if that, and are free to pursue the same options in most cases after their release. Yet these kids will face a firing squad because they could have "possibly" ruined" some lives, lives that in most cases were ruined already.

I don't feel any sympathy for these kids. As you so clearly stated, "if you gona do the crime, be prepared to do the time", Death penalty? I don't think so!!! That's the last I'm going to say on this subject.

Next time it will be a trip report from Melbourne. It won't be that exciting as I pretty much gave up sightseeing. Seen enough waterfronts, mountains, buildings, did enough tours, walks, etc. etc. and now I'm in the relaxation mode. Couple of more days here, a day in Sydney and few days in Hong Kong . HK is all about food/shopping.
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very powerful post. I have to say I especially strongly agree with your point three. now if the death penalty were to apply in THOSE cases, da ya think it would change that. ha

I have to admit, I remember seeing a movie quite some time ago about an American who got caught trying to drug smuggle from Turkey. It's famous but the name escapes me. Midnight something?

at any rate, I know they were going for maximum sympathy with him but I just remembering being angry and thinking dumbass dumbass dumbass how could you throw it all away? and certainly didn't feel sympathetic, rather just manipulated.
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point three - CEOs, not point three - spraypainting.
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Midnight Express

for a powerful recent movie on the subject see
Maria Full of Grace.
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Apr 19th, 2005, 03:40 PM
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That's the plan for tonight

Maria Full of Grace at the Lumiere Cinemas on Lonsdale St., either the 6p or 8:15 p showing. Anybody in town and wants to see a movie?

Read so many great reviews in the Sydney/Melbourne papers. Being a movie freak I have no choice..... but to see it.

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I am concerned about long term implications.

Australia and Indonesia have close ties right now but inherent differences highlighted via the justice system could ruin all that.

If Australians are executed for drug trafficking and the Bali bombers successfully appeal against their sentance then relations could hit an all time low.

I hope both governments are intelligent in their reactions.

Also Indonesia may need to change to fit into the world view. But such change needs to be desired from within. For outsiders to insist on legal reform is seen as interference and will increase anti-Australian sentiment there.

I wish Australians could respect the law of other nations when travelling. We sure do expect visitors/immigrants/asylum seekers that arrive here to adhere to ours.

In this case their only hope maybe that they were smuggling drugs OUT rather than into Indonesia.
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You know you could have picked the second biggest story of the day! You know the celebrity dancing competition between the dancing king (Tom Williams ooo la la) and the Dancing Queen (Ian Roberts, you go girlfriend) That was good fun. Ian did great but still looked like his was ready to pack a scrum at times with his bulkly arms at the ready!
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Yes AA we do agree, sorry if I sounded as if I didn't or perhaps I had just read one of those "bleeding heart" writers about " he didn't mean to do it - he didn't know it was a crime ". I have to agree with Tassietwister too that Australian's cannot sit on a moral fence and expect people who come here to behave when our own don't when visiting other countries. We should respect the laws of different countries and not "carry on" when one of ours breaks them.
Just one point though that I do not sit well with is that in Indonesia's case we have the Corby girl and now these 9 Aussies who were (allegedly) smuggling - put that up against the situation where the leader of their religious sect which blew up 200+ people in the Bali incident will be out of his 5 star jail in 13 months. This is where I get a tad angry and this is where there has to be some consistancy.
I was on the first Qantas flight heading to Asia which left Australia after the Bali bombing and most of the Nation's reporters were on the flight. It was the next night that I was in the Qantas lounge in Singapore when a lot of the people who had been in Bali in and around the blast site were watching the re-runs on CNN. I have never seen so many people so shaken in my life, many men were crying and shaking, totally shell-shocked and I guess that will remain with them forever. The two situations which we have now most certainly do not match the evil of the bali bombing and I hope that there is some sort of balance when it comes to the sentences of the Aussies because if the bombers can get off with what has been dished out so far then in comparison we should send these smugglers to Club Med for a free holiday.
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Just thought I would add to this.

I agree with LiF that the sentencing of a mass muderer (13 cushy months) vs potential death for smuggling 2 kilos of weed (the Schappelle Corby case not the idiots with the heroin) does seem to be a bit disparate and is quite frankly offensive, especially as I work with a guy who lost one of his best mates in the bombing. However the sentence for drug smuggling is hardly unknown.

To this day I remind people of a flight I had into KL when about 15 minutes before landing a pleasant voice came over the tannoy and politely reminded me and my fellow travellers that the trafficing of narcotics into Malaysia carries the death penalty. Done with such a pleasant tone as well.

Coupled with that was the 5 metre by 3 metre sign we saw on landing repeating the advice we had received on the plane. My understanding is that these warnings and variations upon them are the same allover Asia. We saw similar ones in Thailand a few years back as well.

Claiming ignorance when you have two kilos of smack tied to your leg is a bit weak to say the least.

As far as a death sentence is concerned. If those drugs had arrived how many "death sentences" would have been imported with them?

This does not mean I am a bleeding heart and liberal when it comes to drug users. I am not, however I do not believe that once a smackhead always a smackhead. I do know of one guy who was a user once but has since has turned around his life, is now married holds a steady job and is helping raise two good kids. How many of these stories would have been wiped out if that shipment had arrived and had done its worst?

Whilst I am not a fan of the death sentence anywhere (too many dodgy historical decisions pushing people toward the electric chair, needle, gallows etc) if a country operates it then it is there to be used. Though one only has to look at other practitioners of the death sentence to see it is hardly a deterent.

Just my two cents

Anyway AA we have successfully hijacked your thread.

Glad to hear you have had an enjoyable trip so far, glad to hear in the main that you enjoyed my homecountry too.


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Hi AA,

thanks for the link on the Superman movie -- I have no clue who's playing the Man of Steel, but I was scanning the list and recognized Frank Langella, Eva Marie Saint, Parker Posey, Kate Bosworth and then I spied Kevin Spacey as Lex Luther! Woo hoo! That's enough to make me want to see it right there!

Now please advise us if you're in any of the background shots and what you're wearing so we can look for you!

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You wrote this a few days ago;
1. I do know every detail of Schapelle Corby's case. In my line of work I need to be a news junkie and I also get reports from the "official" sources on a daily basis. I DO believe she's guilty as charged. The notion that "she didn't know" is the ONLY legal defense she has left. It has not worked for too may defendants and I don't think it will for her, still I hope that her life will be spared"

How do you know - have you been at the trial - are you in possession of information that the rest of Australia and the world does not have? What country do you come from when the notion of "innocent until proved guilty" does not seem to be a part of your psyche? Or the idea that you have to have the case against you "proved beyond reasonable doubt".
I am asking this as I have just read this morning's SMH and I don't think I have every seen such an injustice in all my life. There is no proof that she put the dope in the bag, the Balinese did not check for fingerprints, they did not follow normal forensic procedure - well acceptable procedure anyway but worst of all they show double standards, I am referring to the trial of the Bali bombers and their leader.
I hope that Australians and New Zealanders will stay away from that country in droves and perhaps the next time there is a need for aid in that country our wallets will stay firmly shut and the Government's money - taxpayers money - will be used elsewhere. I will of course change my mind should the judges in the trial show some sort of legal knowledge and give the defendant the benefit of the doubt because I can see no "evidence" to show that she did what she is accused of.
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Apr 21st, 2005, 04:26 PM
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I know the details of the case from the same sources as you do - news coverage, articles, and I also get a more non-biased detailed news reports dealing with security issues. International drug smuggling is part of national security issues, so I did get "some" inside on this case, but not with ANY proof that she's guilty or innoncent.

When I said that I do believe she's guilty, I'm making that call after following the story. As you know the case is finished, so I like many others have the right to state an opinion, don't I? I'm basing my guilty verdict, and it's ONLY mine, on the fact that carrying over 4 lbs. of pot in your bag would not only make the bag heavier, but pot has a very distinct smell to it. No matter how the smell is covered up, it still usually comes through just a bit, and if it doesn't than the smell of whatever product was used must be noticeable.

I just don't buy her defense. My opinion only. You or others don't have to agree.

Should she die for it? NO, and maybe she should be set free because the Indonesian Police did bungle the case, but I don't think she's innocent, and unfortunately she's not tried in Australia or US (that's where I'm from), where legality issues may spring somebody free, regardless if the person is guilty. When one travels outside their own jurisdiction, one always has to realize that the exposure to different methods of police work and judical system is always a possibility.
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