thank you for the kind comments...i was being facetious about the $80 and will investigate it next time....but my wife spends that much in 5 minutes when shopping lol......we will do a DIY next time.....we did a DIY in Beijing and Hong Kong with local guides for 1 or 2 days at each place about 6 years ago before China cracked down on Hong Kong and it was a fantastic trip....we went economy using points via British Airways and that was a huge mistake on many levels so we learn more each trip.

Before i retired i worked in Pharma and had lots of international trips flying business on British Air which wasn't all that great, but i accumulated loads of points...I had been to Japan 2x before for work and china / malaysia for work also but that is all meetings, and technical fixes and long dinners with loads of alcohol (that was the culture at least back then)....with very little sightseeing time but i got a feel for the people and the food and the tech...Kuala Lumpur is also an amazing place if you ever get a chance check it out. Our next Asia trip is a DIY to Thailand we are thinking ..or a trafalgar trip to Ireland.....trying to decide