Maybe I am crazy but I was WOW-ed by the warriors! Just the mere fact that someone painstakingly reassembled all those figures is amazing to me. The site was far more elaborate than what I had expected. We took the Chinese bus from Xian to the site. On the way, we met a family from Mongolia. The 30ish son was teaching English in a Xian college and he wanted to practice. After the warriors, we all went to a "Famous Noodle' restaurant- Xian is known for their noodles- and on to Hua Qing Hot Springs- and finally a local bus back to Xian. We had a great day. No guide. Just us and local transportation. We spent 3 weeks in China and exited thru Hong Kong. We were happy with what we were able to do independently. We met many locals. Did we get all the nuances of what we were seeing, probably not. Did we have some minor glitches along the way- sure. But, we saw parts of China we did not expect to see. Our opinion is do the research and then go for it. Forums like this were invaluable to us. I asked question after question until I thought I "got it". My husband announced it was "our best trip ever" on the way home.

thanks lynclarke...I'm glad you had a great experience going independent...and am noting your vote for the warriors.

We spent just one wild and crazy day and night in X'ian in 2007.

I remember we awoke from a jostle of the cars on the overnight train from Beijing in the morning twilight to the sight of homes in little villages carved into the hills in cave dwellings a little over an hour out of X'ian. I wrote a report on what we did in the 24 hrs we were there but if I had to do it again I would definitely give it at least two to three days. We hired a private guide and driver from China Trip Advisor and couldn't have been happier. The arrival scene at X'ian train station in the early morning was right out of the 19th century novels. Coolie dressed workers there waiting to hand carry your luggage to your awaiting vehicle or where ever for a pittance. When you see the upstairs passage ways it take to get out of the station you will appreciate this service very quickly

X'ian is a large city and capital of the province with a population of over 7,500,000 so there is a lot to do and see besides the warriors which imho is worth the trip to X'ian all in itself.....awesome.

Aloha!

hawaiiantraveler, you paint a charming portrait of X'ian!

"The arrival scene at X'ian train station in the early morning was right out of the 19th century novels. Coolie dressed workers there waiting to hand carry your luggage to your awaiting vehicle or where ever for a pittance."

Either times have changed or arriving in the late evening is very different than arriving in the early morning! When I was there in 2010, the only people around who offered to carry luggage quoted VERY high prices and it took a LONG time to find a taxi that would use a meter. That doesn't mean there weren't helpful people - in fact one person may have missed her own train while trying to help me buy a ticket for my next train. But it wasn't a seen out of 19th century novels - its was, instead, a scene from a rapidly modernizing and increasingly Westernized China.

hello again barefoot contessa....by all means see Xian and the warriors. I first saw them in 1984, only a few years after they were unearthed...it was a very raw exhibit then...but my wife hadn't been, so in '07 I did it again (a very different China of course)...the guide we hired didn't show (the famous Clarence Guo)...so we hired a taxi driven by a young woman...drove is from the Hyatt to the warriors, waited two hours for us, drove us back to the hotel, picked us up for the drive to the airport the next day...all for $40.
The concierge at the hotel had arranged it.

Here's a look at the warriors in '07. A lot more polshed than it was in '84:

Stu

OOPS..forgot to paste...see what happens when you're old as dirt!

http://picasaweb.google.com/stuarttower/ChinaXian2007#

There are a few 1984 pix thrown in. Photos were not allowed to be taken inside in '84. Have a great trip. (I also have pix of BJ, Shanghai, Guilin, Yangshuo and rice terraces if you wish...)

stu

stu

stu--great pics

stu, thanks for sharing those...I wonder if you get closer to them in 1984? I'd love to see your photos of all that you mentioned as we're going to those places too.

Hi! If you like Chinese history, Xi'an is worthy to visit. Xi'an was the capital of the fisrt China emperor. Terra Cotta Army and ancient City Wall are wothy to visit.

CHINA/BEIJING2007 - stu - Picasa Web Albums

GUILIN/YANGSHUO/LI RIVERand vicinity - stu - Picasa Web Albums

CHINA/SHANGHAI 2007 - stu - Picasa Web Albums

Barefoot contessa...since you say you'll be vsiting other parts of China in addition to Xian, here are some photos for you from 2007 and some tossed in from '84. I'll also rescan some Yunnan pics from '84 (Stone Forest near Kunming)

Everything is relative to your own interests.

This is like asking: Is it worth it to go to Pompeii?

Depends - on your interests.

If you do go, DIY is certainly cheaper but you'll probably spend more time trying to figure out how to get to a certain place, how to get tickets, etc. If you spend more money and take a tour, then you don't have to worry about these things which will be taken care of for you. so, to a certain extent it's a consideration of time versus money.

Personally, I think rkkwan's idea of picking up a tour in Hong Kong (if you are stopping there) is an excellent idea. You don't have to take a tour of all the cities that you plan to visit in China. You could do a tour of just a couple of the more out of the way cities, like Xian. Hong Kong is much more Westerner user-friendly and will be easier for you to arrange your tour from there.

Or, you could arrange a city tour at the hotel in the city in which you are staying. Some of the hotels run their own tours. Needless to say, the more expensive the hotel, the better arranged the tour and the better tour guide (generally speaking! There's always the occasional bad egg in the lot!) This is what we tend to do.

There's no need to sign up to an all-China tour unless the price is right. You can certainly get to Shanghai and Beijing on your own, just like any big city anywhere on this planet. Suzhou can be done in one day from Shanghai with a tour guide and his/her car. That would be the best. The driver will know where all the gardens are, should take you to somewhere for lunch, and then get you back to your hotel in Shanghai safely. Hangzhou is better for an overnight stay or two.

I'm not quite sure what you meant by "Yunnan" since it is an entire province. Did you have any specific destination in mind or were you planning on a "tour" of the entire province?

I will say that Xian was my least favorite city of those we visited -- horrible air quality. However, I loved the sights of Xian, especially the warriors, and I had no regrets about spending time there. As others have said there are many other things to see and do in Xian.

I highly recommend the Tomb of Emperor Jingdi (Hanyangling). The presentation is unique -- you walk on a glass floor above the excavations which gives you a wonderful close-up view. The tomb is sort of a domestic version of the warriors with teracotta figures that look like dolls, but were intended to be servants in the afterlife, and all kinds of animals. Really fascinating.

I think my reticence about Xian is that it is a big city...and I think Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong will be more than enough in that category. Another plus of skipping Xian is avoiding two more internal flights. I'm glad most of you did enjoy the experience though.

As of this tentative point, I'm thinking of using Wild China's private journeys for Beijing: 4 nights (I'm sure we could manage on our own there....but I like the idea of a guide helping us when we first arrive jet-lagged and overwhelmed by the crush of humanity. I don't want to figure out public transport when we first get there...and sights other than the Forbidden City and hutungs require transport.)
Then, they have a 4 night Guilin package (hike along Longsheng or Dragon's Back Terraces thru minority villages with lunch at local farmer's house, boat ride on Li River, hike or bike in Yangshou, view cormorant fishing, hike or bike towards Aishan Village, hike up Moon HIll, lunch in fishing village, etc.
Then, 7 nights in Yunnan: Dali, cable car up Cangshan mtn, boat ride on Erhai Lake to Bai villages; visit Shaxi enroute to Lijiang; Old Town, hike near Jade Dragon Snow Mtn; Naxi dinner party; Shangri-La...enroute first bend of Yangtze River, Tiger Leaping Gorge; visit Songzanlin Monastery, Tibetan home cooked lunch; Old town; Tibetan hot pot dinner and village dancing.

After this, we're on our own in Shanghai (3 nights?)..and I'd like to take the bullet train & spend two nights in Hangzhou...and possibly two at Moganshan just to relax. Then, we stopover in Hong Kong...I'd like to spend 5 days there for a day trip to Macau and one to the beaches.
Anyway, that's the preliminary plan, so I don't think I have time for Xian. i haven't priced this out yet so that also could change things. Comments?

barefoot contessa...sorry, I inserted the wrong addresses for the China {pics above..I will try another way..should give you a good feel for BJ, Guilin/Yangshuo/terraces and Shanghai. What ever you decide, you will love it..have a great trip.
Stu

barefoot...gotta do them separately..haven't split the albums yet..

https://picasaweb.google.com/stuartt...naBeijing2007#

https://picasaweb.google.com/stuartt...erAndVicinity#

https://picasaweb.google.com/stuartt...hanghai200702#

excuse the inconvenience, barefoot,,
stu
https://picasaweb.google.com/stuartt...ndStoneForest#

Sounds like a wonderful trip, with or without Xian!

Just one comment at this point. I'm not certain what Wild China's prices are for Beijing, but it's really not necessary to sign up for tours of Beijing while you are outside of China.

A lot depends on your budget and which hotel you will be staying at. Whereas it may be sensible to have a tour guide meet you at Beijing Airport, it's really not necessary to have to sign up for their tour just to have an escort from the airport to your hotel.

If you are staying in a good hotel, it can send a car to pick you up at the airport. You will find the airports in the large cities in Asia a great deal more efficient than the ones in the US. After you get out of the secured area on your own, you will find there are any number of Chinese holding up a large card with someone's name on it. The person with your name on his card will then get you to your hotel - it doesn't matter whether it's a hotel employee or a tour guide that does this.

Have you looked at hotels yet? It would help at this point to know which hotels you are considering in the large cities.