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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/26/2006, 04:13 am
I have posted before about one of my favourite walks on Hong Kong Island, which is section #1 of the Wilson Trail which goes from the top of Happy Valley to Stanley; and that this is a HARD trail with many stairs and hills. However, I had recently heard what I thought was an urban legend about a trail which also goes to Stanley but which is flat and does not expose one to the risk of having to have arthroscopic surgery after having taking it....I am very happy to report that the myth is fact and that there is an excellent, flat, 6 km/4 mile trail with very good views which virtually any one can do at any time of year. Details are below.
The trail is called the Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path. I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek about the high-heels, sneakers (or hiking boots) would be best, although I did see an older Chinese couple doing this in flip flops. I had my walking pole but did not need it at all. It is flat the entire way, there are some stairs to go down in two portions, I would say about 300 steps in all. I would not do this within a day or so of a hard rain or a typhoon, as when you get to the dirt trail portion in Repulse Bay this could be slippery, and you have to cross two streams which after a rain could be a bit full. Also bring water as there is no place along the route to get water. At a good pace, the walk took my group 2 hours, we did not stop to rest at any point. We walked at 1 pm on Sunday and temps were in the low 80s F, but even with the entire walk facing west and south west, as a lot of this is in the shade it was fine, and I think would be doable even in high summer, although I would start out much earlier just to make it more pleasant in the really high temps and humidity of summer.
There is no doubt that the views from section #1 of the Wilson Trail are much better as you are higher and out of the trees; a good bit of the Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path is in the trees, but the views which are available are very very good, especially of Repulse Bay and Stanley. For very little effort, there is great reward, IMO. I always feel like a limp rag after Wilson #1; on Sunday after this walk I had not even really broken a sweat. But it is 6 km, so it’s no slouch in terms of distance.
1. Directions to the Walk - You can take a bus or taxi to the start of the walk. From Central, take the #6 bus going toward Stanley (On Sundays there is also the #61 bus to Repulse Bay). You want to get off at the top of Wong Nai Chung Gap Road, and go up to Wong Nai Chung Gap Reservoir where the trail begins. You will know you are approaching this area as the bus will start climbing a very big hill with a cemetery on your left. When you pass an Esso gas station on your right, you want the NEXT stop, which is in front of a Shell gas station on the left. Get off here. You can buy water and sports drinks at the shop in the Shell station if you don’t already have drinks. Facing the Shell station, look to the right and you will see a flight of stairs at the edge of the driveway. Go up the stairs, and turn RIGHT at the top. (Ignore the map on the signboard here, we discovered it was incorrect after wandering around the wrong path for a while.) Take the sidewalk to the end and you will come out onto a street, this is Tai Tam Reservoir Road, cross this road and turn LEFT walking uphill along Tai Tam Reservoir Road (I promise this is the only hill you will walk up on this trail). As you walk uphill, you will see the beginning of the tall reservoir wall on your right. Follow the sidewalk a bit further up to you come to the middle of the reservoir wall, where there is a large signboard with a trail map and a sidewalk entrance to the reservoir. If you look up, you should also see a pink directional arrow on a post which says “Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path”. Walk down onto the sidewalk/path going to the RIGHT around the edge of the reservoir.
If you take a taxi, have him drop you at map signboard at the entrance to the Wong Nai Chung Gap Reservoir on Tai Tam Road. (Be careful that he does not take you to Tai Tam Reservoir, which is in another part of the island. You want to be near Park View Apartments and #5 Tai Tam Reservoir Road. From Central, the taxi would cost around HK$50.)
2. Once you are on the sidewalk on the edge of the reservoir, follow it around the corner to the end of the reservoir to a flight of stairs on the right. Go down this to the concrete path. You will follow this path and the catch water next to it for basically the next 6 km. After about 30-40 minutes, you will come to Repulse Bay, and the concrete will end and the path becomes dirt and rocks as the trail goes behind Repulse Bay. This dirt trail continues for about 30-45 minutes, then the concrete and catchwater comes back.
3. You will come to an intersection of several trails and a directional post. You want to turn RIGHT with the sign pointing “Tai Tam Tuk” and go down the stairs. (If you want a very nice view of Tai Tam Reservoir, walk straight for 40 feet or so and take in the view, then walk back and go downhill). You will go down about 200-250 stairs.
4. At the bottom of the stairs, you will come to another trail intersection and a bridge over the catchwater. You want to go RIGHT BEFORE the bridge. Continue walking along the concrete and catchwater here. (If you want to punish yourself by doing the last 2/3rds of Wilson #1 including the hills called the Twins, then cross the bridge and go right up the stairs. Bring water, a towel, and a walking pole is very helpful. It is not for the feint of heart, and should not, IMO, be attempted after about 10:30 am in any sort of warm weather. A Japanese expat died on this route about 3 months ago hiking at 11 am in 90 F heat.)
5. Once you come into the Stanley area, you will again come to an intersection of trails and steps going down to the RIGHT. Take this right and go down the stairs. These will take you all the way down to Repulse Bay Road and the end of the walk.
6. If you want to go on to Stanley and shop or have a meal, stay on the same side of the road as you just came down, there is bus stop right here to the left, you can take the 6, 6A, 6X, or 260 bus to Stanley, or just hail a taxi. It’s less than 10 minutes to Stanley by bus, a taxi could not cost you more than HK$25. If you want to go back to Central or to Repulse Bay, then cross the street (be careful, cars whiz by here) there is a stop across the street and slightly to the right, look for the post with the bus numbers on it.
This walk is somewhat inaccurately described and/or named in all my walking books, especially getting to it, which probably explains why I never knew about it before. Now that I do know about it, I can see it on the Countryside Series of maps printed by the Hong Kong Government. You can buy these at some bookshops (try Kelly & Walsh in the Pacific Place Shopping Mall) or pick them up for free at the Government Publications Office, located in the Murray Building, 22 Garden Road (tel 2537-1910). This is right next to the bottom station for the Peak Tram, and most tourists will go right by it on the way to the Peak Tram, so it is easy to stop in if you want to pick up maps. They are open 9-6 pm Mon-Fri. The Hong Kong Tourist Board offices may also have maps.
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/26/2006, 06:49 am
It would be very possible and easy to reach Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path walk from the Peak, this would add another 40 minutes or so to the overall walk time, but not a lot more work, although there is a bit of a rise when walking on a path called Black’s Link, but it is not a major hill or anything. The walk from the Peak to Stanley would offer fantastic contrasting views of the city harbour, Aberdeen, and then the backside of the island. I can post details for those who would be interested in doing this from the Peak, or from the Police Museum at Stubbs Road which is the beginning of the Black’s Link path, or from the top of Magazine Gap Road which is another good starting point accessible by bus or taxi.
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Author: rkkwan
Date: 10/26/2006, 01:39 pm
Nice report! I've walked from Wong Nai Chung Gap down to Tai Tam Tuk many times on the paved road, but never the Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path. Sounds nice, though.
Do they really spell it out this way on the path signs now? Shouldn't they just stick with the English name "Violet Hill Path"?
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/26/2006, 09:24 pm
Yes, it’s a mouthful, but that is on all the signs and the Countryside and other maps printed by the Government Printing office. Some of my older walking books call it the Violet Hill Path and some call it the Stanley Catch water Path, so they may finally be getting some consistency...also they are going the way of the MTR stations which all now at least have the SAME names in Chinese and English (i.e. no more Waterloo station).
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Author: rkkwan
Date: 10/26/2006, 09:34 pm
Hehehehe... Waterloo and Argyle have been gone for years!
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Author: GlobalFootsteps
Date: 10/27/2006, 03:00 am
Cicerone.. Thanks! I will be in HongKong mid-November for a weekend.. looking forward to trying this path out.
By the way, have you tried out the "Secret Kitchens" in Hong Kong? Any to recommend?
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/27/2006, 03:39 am
There are a number of "private kitchens" where you have to call a day or so ahead to make a booking, and they have a set menu for the day. Some do not have a liquor license so call and ask, if you bring your own wine, some have a corkage fee. Their prices tend to be quite reasonable.
Xi Yan
3/F Hang Wai Commerical Building
231-233 Queens Road East, Wanchai
Hong Kong
Tel: (852) 9020 9196
Started the "private kitchen" trend. Allegedly, they have a 2 month waiting list. Is excellent, mostly Sichuan-based, but other Chinese and even European dishes appear on the menu. It is on a busy road in a fairly boring part of Wanchai, in a run-down building and has absolutely no view. The restaurant itself has a nice ambience and has a nice decor. The food is wonderful. This is a BYOB.
Tribute
13 Elgin Street
Central
852-2135-664
tribute.com.hk
Their prix fixe dinner is HK$380 (about US$48) and is very good value. Mostly European dishes.
Ingredients
43 Gough Street
Central
852-2544-5133
Mostly European dishes.
Yellow Door Kitchen
38 Cochrane St.
Central Hong Kong
Tel: 852/2858-5555
www.yellowdoorkitchen.com.hk
Cantonese, spicy Sichuan and Hangzhou food.
Secret Pantry (Chiu Chow)
1st Floor Hoover Tower 3
5 St. Francis Street, Wanchai
Tel: (852) 3421-2330
Fax (852) 3426-9234
Chiu Chow cooking from southern Guangdong province, also known as Swatow food. This is the cuisine which invented shark's fin and bird's nest soups. Sauces are sweeter rather than spicy. Simple decor with contemporary art (the place started out as an art gallery.) No liquor license, but you can bring your own beer or wine and pay a minimal corkage fee. Set tasting menu is $64 and prices go up from there.
Mum Chau's Sichuan Kitchen
5th Floor, 37 D'Aguilar Street
Lan Kwai Fong HK,
Telephone: 2522 0338
At the lower-end of the "private kitchen" budget, but also very much the lower-end of the ambience scale would be Mum Chua's. Serves great, spicy, cheap food. This is one of my favorite places for lunch for great spicy food. The may or may not be a menu that day, it may or may not be in English. This is right in the heart of the ex-pat bar district, so easy to find, and you can have a drink before or after.
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/29/2006, 06:12 am
Sorry, I just read in today’s paper that Ingredients has moved to a new location
23 Wing Fung Street
Wan Chai
Tel 2544:5133
Apparently they have a much bigger place (the old one was quite small and narrow) and a roof garden which would be nice. This is in the “Star Street” area which ahs several other good restaurants. This is walkable from Pacific Place Shopping Centre and the Admiralty MTR, it is just off Queen’s Road East behind Pacific Place 3. In the early evening, there is a good local food market not too far from here that is good for people-watching, I have posted on this before, closes about 7 pm. They also have expanded their menu to include some a la carte items in addition to the set menu, so not sure they qualify as a “private kitchen” anymore, but the food is very good whatever you call it (food was at the old location, same chef so am assuming it is the same).
Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/26/2006, 04:13 am
I have posted before about one of my favourite walks on Hong Kong Island, which is section #1 of the Wilson Trail which goes from the top of Happy Valley to Stanley; and that this is a HARD trail with many stairs and hills. However, I had recently heard what I thought was an urban legend about a trail which also goes to Stanley but which is flat and does not expose one to the risk of having to have arthroscopic surgery after having taking it....I am very happy to report that the myth is fact and that there is an excellent, flat, 6 km/4 mile trail with very good views which virtually any one can do at any time of year. Details are below.
The trail is called the Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path. I was being slightly tongue-in-cheek about the high-heels, sneakers (or hiking boots) would be best, although I did see an older Chinese couple doing this in flip flops. I had my walking pole but did not need it at all. It is flat the entire way, there are some stairs to go down in two portions, I would say about 300 steps in all. I would not do this within a day or so of a hard rain or a typhoon, as when you get to the dirt trail portion in Repulse Bay this could be slippery, and you have to cross two streams which after a rain could be a bit full. Also bring water as there is no place along the route to get water. At a good pace, the walk took my group 2 hours, we did not stop to rest at any point. We walked at 1 pm on Sunday and temps were in the low 80s F, but even with the entire walk facing west and south west, as a lot of this is in the shade it was fine, and I think would be doable even in high summer, although I would start out much earlier just to make it more pleasant in the really high temps and humidity of summer.
There is no doubt that the views from section #1 of the Wilson Trail are much better as you are higher and out of the trees; a good bit of the Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path is in the trees, but the views which are available are very very good, especially of Repulse Bay and Stanley. For very little effort, there is great reward, IMO. I always feel like a limp rag after Wilson #1; on Sunday after this walk I had not even really broken a sweat. But it is 6 km, so it’s no slouch in terms of distance.
1. Directions to the Walk - You can take a bus or taxi to the start of the walk. From Central, take the #6 bus going toward Stanley (On Sundays there is also the #61 bus to Repulse Bay). You want to get off at the top of Wong Nai Chung Gap Road, and go up to Wong Nai Chung Gap Reservoir where the trail begins. You will know you are approaching this area as the bus will start climbing a very big hill with a cemetery on your left. When you pass an Esso gas station on your right, you want the NEXT stop, which is in front of a Shell gas station on the left. Get off here. You can buy water and sports drinks at the shop in the Shell station if you don’t already have drinks. Facing the Shell station, look to the right and you will see a flight of stairs at the edge of the driveway. Go up the stairs, and turn RIGHT at the top. (Ignore the map on the signboard here, we discovered it was incorrect after wandering around the wrong path for a while.) Take the sidewalk to the end and you will come out onto a street, this is Tai Tam Reservoir Road, cross this road and turn LEFT walking uphill along Tai Tam Reservoir Road (I promise this is the only hill you will walk up on this trail). As you walk uphill, you will see the beginning of the tall reservoir wall on your right. Follow the sidewalk a bit further up to you come to the middle of the reservoir wall, where there is a large signboard with a trail map and a sidewalk entrance to the reservoir. If you look up, you should also see a pink directional arrow on a post which says “Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path”. Walk down onto the sidewalk/path going to the RIGHT around the edge of the reservoir.
If you take a taxi, have him drop you at map signboard at the entrance to the Wong Nai Chung Gap Reservoir on Tai Tam Road. (Be careful that he does not take you to Tai Tam Reservoir, which is in another part of the island. You want to be near Park View Apartments and #5 Tai Tam Reservoir Road. From Central, the taxi would cost around HK$50.)
2. Once you are on the sidewalk on the edge of the reservoir, follow it around the corner to the end of the reservoir to a flight of stairs on the right. Go down this to the concrete path. You will follow this path and the catch water next to it for basically the next 6 km. After about 30-40 minutes, you will come to Repulse Bay, and the concrete will end and the path becomes dirt and rocks as the trail goes behind Repulse Bay. This dirt trail continues for about 30-45 minutes, then the concrete and catchwater comes back.
3. You will come to an intersection of several trails and a directional post. You want to turn RIGHT with the sign pointing “Tai Tam Tuk” and go down the stairs. (If you want a very nice view of Tai Tam Reservoir, walk straight for 40 feet or so and take in the view, then walk back and go downhill). You will go down about 200-250 stairs.
4. At the bottom of the stairs, you will come to another trail intersection and a bridge over the catchwater. You want to go RIGHT BEFORE the bridge. Continue walking along the concrete and catchwater here. (If you want to punish yourself by doing the last 2/3rds of Wilson #1 including the hills called the Twins, then cross the bridge and go right up the stairs. Bring water, a towel, and a walking pole is very helpful. It is not for the feint of heart, and should not, IMO, be attempted after about 10:30 am in any sort of warm weather. A Japanese expat died on this route about 3 months ago hiking at 11 am in 90 F heat.)
5. Once you come into the Stanley area, you will again come to an intersection of trails and steps going down to the RIGHT. Take this right and go down the stairs. These will take you all the way down to Repulse Bay Road and the end of the walk.
6. If you want to go on to Stanley and shop or have a meal, stay on the same side of the road as you just came down, there is bus stop right here to the left, you can take the 6, 6A, 6X, or 260 bus to Stanley, or just hail a taxi. It’s less than 10 minutes to Stanley by bus, a taxi could not cost you more than HK$25. If you want to go back to Central or to Repulse Bay, then cross the street (be careful, cars whiz by here) there is a stop across the street and slightly to the right, look for the post with the bus numbers on it.
This walk is somewhat inaccurately described and/or named in all my walking books, especially getting to it, which probably explains why I never knew about it before. Now that I do know about it, I can see it on the Countryside Series of maps printed by the Hong Kong Government. You can buy these at some bookshops (try Kelly & Walsh in the Pacific Place Shopping Mall) or pick them up for free at the Government Publications Office, located in the Murray Building, 22 Garden Road (tel 2537-1910). This is right next to the bottom station for the Peak Tram, and most tourists will go right by it on the way to the Peak Tram, so it is easy to stop in if you want to pick up maps. They are open 9-6 pm Mon-Fri. The Hong Kong Tourist Board offices may also have maps.
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/26/2006, 06:49 am
It would be very possible and easy to reach Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path walk from the Peak, this would add another 40 minutes or so to the overall walk time, but not a lot more work, although there is a bit of a rise when walking on a path called Black’s Link, but it is not a major hill or anything. The walk from the Peak to Stanley would offer fantastic contrasting views of the city harbour, Aberdeen, and then the backside of the island. I can post details for those who would be interested in doing this from the Peak, or from the Police Museum at Stubbs Road which is the beginning of the Black’s Link path, or from the top of Magazine Gap Road which is another good starting point accessible by bus or taxi.
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Author: rkkwan
Date: 10/26/2006, 01:39 pm
Nice report! I've walked from Wong Nai Chung Gap down to Tai Tam Tuk many times on the paved road, but never the Tsz Lo Lan Shan Path. Sounds nice, though.
Do they really spell it out this way on the path signs now? Shouldn't they just stick with the English name "Violet Hill Path"?
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/26/2006, 09:24 pm
Yes, it’s a mouthful, but that is on all the signs and the Countryside and other maps printed by the Government Printing office. Some of my older walking books call it the Violet Hill Path and some call it the Stanley Catch water Path, so they may finally be getting some consistency...also they are going the way of the MTR stations which all now at least have the SAME names in Chinese and English (i.e. no more Waterloo station).
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Author: rkkwan
Date: 10/26/2006, 09:34 pm
Hehehehe... Waterloo and Argyle have been gone for years!
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Author: GlobalFootsteps
Date: 10/27/2006, 03:00 am
Cicerone.. Thanks! I will be in HongKong mid-November for a weekend.. looking forward to trying this path out.
By the way, have you tried out the "Secret Kitchens" in Hong Kong? Any to recommend?
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/27/2006, 03:39 am
There are a number of "private kitchens" where you have to call a day or so ahead to make a booking, and they have a set menu for the day. Some do not have a liquor license so call and ask, if you bring your own wine, some have a corkage fee. Their prices tend to be quite reasonable.
Xi Yan
3/F Hang Wai Commerical Building
231-233 Queens Road East, Wanchai
Hong Kong
Tel: (852) 9020 9196
Started the "private kitchen" trend. Allegedly, they have a 2 month waiting list. Is excellent, mostly Sichuan-based, but other Chinese and even European dishes appear on the menu. It is on a busy road in a fairly boring part of Wanchai, in a run-down building and has absolutely no view. The restaurant itself has a nice ambience and has a nice decor. The food is wonderful. This is a BYOB.
Tribute
13 Elgin Street
Central
852-2135-664
tribute.com.hk
Their prix fixe dinner is HK$380 (about US$48) and is very good value. Mostly European dishes.
Ingredients
43 Gough Street
Central
852-2544-5133
Mostly European dishes.
Yellow Door Kitchen
38 Cochrane St.
Central Hong Kong
Tel: 852/2858-5555
www.yellowdoorkitchen.com.hk
Cantonese, spicy Sichuan and Hangzhou food.
Secret Pantry (Chiu Chow)
1st Floor Hoover Tower 3
5 St. Francis Street, Wanchai
Tel: (852) 3421-2330
Fax (852) 3426-9234
Chiu Chow cooking from southern Guangdong province, also known as Swatow food. This is the cuisine which invented shark's fin and bird's nest soups. Sauces are sweeter rather than spicy. Simple decor with contemporary art (the place started out as an art gallery.) No liquor license, but you can bring your own beer or wine and pay a minimal corkage fee. Set tasting menu is $64 and prices go up from there.
Mum Chau's Sichuan Kitchen
5th Floor, 37 D'Aguilar Street
Lan Kwai Fong HK,
Telephone: 2522 0338
At the lower-end of the "private kitchen" budget, but also very much the lower-end of the ambience scale would be Mum Chua's. Serves great, spicy, cheap food. This is one of my favorite places for lunch for great spicy food. The may or may not be a menu that day, it may or may not be in English. This is right in the heart of the ex-pat bar district, so easy to find, and you can have a drink before or after.
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Author: Cicerone
Date: 10/29/2006, 06:12 am
Sorry, I just read in today’s paper that Ingredients has moved to a new location
23 Wing Fung Street
Wan Chai
Tel 2544:5133
Apparently they have a much bigger place (the old one was quite small and narrow) and a roof garden which would be nice. This is in the “Star Street” area which ahs several other good restaurants. This is walkable from Pacific Place Shopping Centre and the Admiralty MTR, it is just off Queen’s Road East behind Pacific Place 3. In the early evening, there is a good local food market not too far from here that is good for people-watching, I have posted on this before, closes about 7 pm. They also have expanded their menu to include some a la carte items in addition to the set menu, so not sure they qualify as a “private kitchen” anymore, but the food is very good whatever you call it (food was at the old location, same chef so am assuming it is the same).
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I think you mean this one?
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Can we plead with Cicerone to give us an update on the restaurant section - - not to redo the extensive writeup - - but if there are any places that have declined or any terrific new ones, can you let us know. Can't tell you enough how valuable this report is, it convinced us to add HongKong at the beginning of our trip this fall!
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FromDC, I have now posted an updated restaurant list under a new thread called "Cicerone's (Updated)Favourite Hong Kong Restaurant's (Part I)". There won't be a Part II, I had thought I had to do two threads, but then realized I could just add a second post to my original one, so all the new updates are in the one post. Perhaps Part II will be in another two years....I have been keeping this list for a while and kept meaning to finish it, thanks for prompting me to complete it and post it.
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