Misbehavior may cost passenger
Jul 3rd, 2003, 04:44 AM
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Misbehavior may cost passenger
A story on Reuters this morning tells about an unruly passenger on Singapore Airlines and what his misbehavior may cost him. He had a fight with his girlfriend that got seriously out of hand, and the plane was forced to make an emergency landing to put him in police custody. Wonder if they can include the costs to the other passengers who missed flights, etc. etc.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3032279
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3032279
Jul 7th, 2003, 07:36 AM
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What about the costs incurred by the other passengers ... I doubt the airline would reimburse them ... but can each of them file a civil or small claims suit against him and successfully collect?
I've wondered the same when there's a car crash and people miss their restricted-ticket flight. Could a passenger sue the negligent driver?
I've wondered the same when there's a car crash and people miss their restricted-ticket flight. Could a passenger sue the negligent driver?
Jul 7th, 2003, 09:22 AM
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Come to think of it, I wonder if I can sue the driver of the car in front of me for getting into an accident and causing me to be late and miss most of of the broadway show I had prime tickets for or better yet, maybe I can file a civil suit against the family in case the driver dies...
The world is an imperfect place, how can one think they can sue someone because their day didn't go as planned? Sue your deity next? Life doesn't guarantee you're going to get through unscathed but to say you can sue every time you do...no wonder the rest of the world looks at us with caution and curious looks.
The world is an imperfect place, how can one think they can sue someone because their day didn't go as planned? Sue your deity next? Life doesn't guarantee you're going to get through unscathed but to say you can sue every time you do...no wonder the rest of the world looks at us with caution and curious looks.
Jul 8th, 2003, 08:41 AM
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Why not? (sue if u missed your show) I am not one who cries "sue" at the drop of a hat and my only experience with "the system" was a hit & run driver who put me in hospital for over two months & out of work for 6mo.
If a driver causes a CRASH (I do use the word "accident" as it begs for consideration as an unavoidable, forgivable situation) then why should the rest of society "suck it up" and carry the financial burdens inposed upon them by incompetent, careless or reckless drivers. Licenses in the USA are too darn easy to obtain and keep. If I strike a utility pole and damage a traffic signal the appropriate gov't agency makes me pay. Why would I not expect others whom I've caused economic hardships to forgive me and say "poor rb didn't MEAN to make me miss my ___".
If a driver causes a CRASH (I do use the word "accident" as it begs for consideration as an unavoidable, forgivable situation) then why should the rest of society "suck it up" and carry the financial burdens inposed upon them by incompetent, careless or reckless drivers. Licenses in the USA are too darn easy to obtain and keep. If I strike a utility pole and damage a traffic signal the appropriate gov't agency makes me pay. Why would I not expect others whom I've caused economic hardships to forgive me and say "poor rb didn't MEAN to make me miss my ___".
Jul 9th, 2003, 10:31 AM
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If a driver causes a CRASH (I do use the word "accident" as it begs for consideration as an unavoidable, forgivable situation) then why should the rest of society "suck it up" and carry the financial burdens inposed upon them by incompetent, careless or reckless drivers.
Answer: Because you live in society. Go live by yourself so no one else can impede on your life.
If I strike a utility pole and damage a traffic signal the appropriate gov't agency makes me pay.
Answer: Because you damaged someone else's property. This is nothing new. "You broke it, you pay for it", not "I didn't break it, you did but now you're gonna pay me because it disrupted my life".
Why would I not expect others whom I've caused economic hardships to forgive me and say "poor rb didn't MEAN to make me miss my ___".
Question: If your car had a flat in say the Detroit/Windsor tunnel (which is one lane each way), you would pay for each person's out of pocket expense for late trains, missed shows, missed doctors appointments and the like? You're very generous.
Answer: Because you live in society. Go live by yourself so no one else can impede on your life.
If I strike a utility pole and damage a traffic signal the appropriate gov't agency makes me pay.
Answer: Because you damaged someone else's property. This is nothing new. "You broke it, you pay for it", not "I didn't break it, you did but now you're gonna pay me because it disrupted my life".
Why would I not expect others whom I've caused economic hardships to forgive me and say "poor rb didn't MEAN to make me miss my ___".
Question: If your car had a flat in say the Detroit/Windsor tunnel (which is one lane each way), you would pay for each person's out of pocket expense for late trains, missed shows, missed doctors appointments and the like? You're very generous.
Jul 9th, 2003, 11:10 AM
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The scenerio I had most envisioned when wondering about crashes was not of the usual fender-bender nor something like a flat (yes, realizing someone could raise issue of poor maintenance, etc.) but of situations where aggressive drivers, tailgating, weaving thru traffic, etc. cause a major crash and a clear case of negligence. Or should society forgive all? Should speeding tickets be issued if both 1-the driver didn't intend to speed and 2-no one was injured/no property damaged?
And what about the unruly passenger (the subject of this thread) ... does he have obligations to fellow passengers for the situation he put them into?
And what about the unruly passenger (the subject of this thread) ... does he have obligations to fellow passengers for the situation he put them into?
Jul 16th, 2003, 09:30 AM
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I don't think the analogy to a traffic accident holds up, because once you are in a plane, you are confined to it and what it does. To be truly analogous, you'd have to have the Great Manipulator in the Sky pick up the interstate highway on which the accident occurred and put it down somewhere else, not allowing anyone on or off the highway until some resolution was achieved. This is closer to a bus hijacking than being stuck in a pile-up behind an accident, criminally caused or otherwise.
I think in US law, the other passengers might possibly have a provable "tort," i.e., provable damage to their own interests as a result of the passenger's criminal behavior breaking the onboard "law." But clearly, I'm not a lawyer, and this did not happen in the US.
I think in US law, the other passengers might possibly have a provable "tort," i.e., provable damage to their own interests as a result of the passenger's criminal behavior breaking the onboard "law." But clearly, I'm not a lawyer, and this did not happen in the US.
Jul 20th, 2003, 09:57 PM
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Yes, we are 'amazed'! It is a very difficult concept for many of us ( in other lands ) to get a hold of.
If you travel the world you had better realise that people and societies are different. Maybe in the U.S you could sue but that does not mean you can elsewhere.
Life is full of ups and downs. Why not just live with it.
If you travel the world you had better realise that people and societies are different. Maybe in the U.S you could sue but that does not mean you can elsewhere.
Life is full of ups and downs. Why not just live with it.
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