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Mar 20th, 2007, 06:32 AM
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What Chris suggests is true for many SLR's but for those thinking of upgrading to one of the professional Canon cameras (I'm biased) these Series "1" cameras will write to two cards (a compact flash and an SD card) within the same camera and will do so (at least the newest Canon Mark III) simultaneously. That means with one of these super SLR's you could wite JPEGS to one card and Raw to the other. Memory has become cheap and prices will continue to fall . Today you can buy a fast 8GB compact flash card for just a little over $100, a year ago it would have cost over $500. Heck, that's a day on safari.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 09:44 AM
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Chuck, I would love to have a 1D Mark III, but spending $2600 for a body only will have to wait until I get some more lenses first! I saw a video on YouTube of a 1DIII in burst mode, and it sounded like a machine gun it was so fast! For now I have to be content with my 400D, with the possibility of a 30D as the next upgrade for the next safari we take. But for the moment I have made getting good-quality lenses a higher priority than a better camera body, as my feeling is that lenses make a big difference in image quality, and as long as I stick with the EF lenses, I can use them on any Canon body I may eventually get.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 11:30 AM
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Great thread topic. Thanks for asking. I'm still in transition with a P&S 8 Megpixel, and two Eos 3 film bodies. I've had scans made of my slides and melded them with the digital JPEGs for slide shows of my Alaska, India, and Africa trips. Can't tell the difference. I've only printed to 8x10, but they are as good to my eye as prints from my transparancies. As for the P&S, I've had several published in magazine articles and the editors were quite happy (However, that was for a particular magazine, and others might have different, perhaps more stringent, requirements.

I've been doing some minor tweaking using Picasa, the free Google software (cropping, saturation,etc.) and it's been working out fine. And, leveling horizons is no problem at all even with JPEGs, although, sometimes, a tilted horizon can give the pic extra pizzaz (not landscapes, of course). and

I'm gonna get the new Mk III, and when I do, I'll go whole hog with RAW and Photoshop. I sure would like to know where you can get the body for $2600. Didn't think the price had been set yet, and Canon said in its original press release that it would be priced similarly to the Mk II, which is/was around $4k. in the US. With all of hoopla over the MkII, there's a lot of speculation that the price will be higher.

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Mar 20th, 2007, 11:56 AM
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jenack, ok, let's go back to what you want to do, make prints. Probably a lot of 4x6 or 5x7 and a few 8x10 or maybe larger. If you want 11x14 or 12x18 Costco has very good printers and a 11x14 is only $3 (I think). Of course they will also print 4x6 or 5x7 for less cost than you can do it at home. For Costco 8x10 a JPG normal file is fine. In fact, I'm not sure what they would do with a RAW file, anybody know? Also nothing wrong with printing yourself, I enjoy it.

But you know, two years ago I quit making 5x7 prints of vacations. (I still make large prints to frame and hang). I mean, digital camera, digital pictures, DVD, TV. All falls into place. I make a slide show of the photos I like on DVD using the program ProShow Gold. Proshow Gold makes a DVD from still photos and video clips and you can make a real nice little travel show that plays on any TV. When our family/friends across the USA/world ask to see photos of our safari I send them the DVD. They then watch it at their leisure on their TV.

Anyway, go ahead and shoot both RAW and JPG, you might find a new hobby in "post processing" and working with RAW.
regards - tom
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Mar 20th, 2007, 12:15 PM
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This has been an exceptionally good thread for me as I transition from my beloved Canon Elan 7N to a Canon EOS Rebel XTi (yet to be purchased, but reviewed and admired). As a newbie to the world of digital photography, I have found the information provided here of great value. Now all I need is for the camera to go on sale somewhere, although I do have until June/08 before my next safari.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 05:11 PM
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Chris, I agree with the better glass being more important than the body. The focus on the 20D and 30D is a bit slower than I would like but it still gets the job done. The price that I was quoted for the new Mark III is $3999 but rumours are that it may be sold for $4500 or even more? Another advantage of the Mark 3 is its reported high iso performance. Hopefully I'll be able to keep shutter speed up enough on my 300mm 2.8 IS lens. I'll be shooting with a 1.4X teleconverter so I'm a bit worried that I'll have enough speed. In Botswansa the vehicles will not have a nice roof like the ones in Tanzania. They are open vehicles and I'm not quite certain how I will work out camera support. Maybe someone reading this thread will have some ideas. I'll be taking bean bags as well as a monopod.
Cheers, Chuck


Jim, before I switched to Canon, I went to the Galapagos with my Nikon film cameras. I had all of my slides scanned as you have done and was really pleased with the results. Now I'm all digital and love the freedom and the ability to shoot lots of images and select the best to photoshop.

Cary,
I too am using ProSho Gold to make slide shows. It's a fantastic program. I'm showing the iamges on a new high def TV and the resolution is fantastic. Instead of creating a cd or DVD you created an exec file of your slide show on a laptop and then plug that right into the high def TV. Thats what the Pro Sho Gold folks told me and it worked like a charm. Add some soundtracks (like roaring lions and sawing leopards) and you just about relive the safari experience.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 05:22 PM
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Wow, thanks so much to all of you guys - I have been reading this thread over the past few days and LEARNING so much! I read Ken's article, and now between that, and this thread, I can actually understand what Jim (my husband) is saying to me!

He too has bought ProShow Gold, as he read Tom's thread on it once, and is loving it. He is about 1/2 through doing up a slide show set to African music, naration, etc. He put it on DVD for me to see the other night and it is fabulous! So easy to work with he says, and so much you can do with it.

I think I'll take those watercolours back to the store now!

Oh, forgot to say, after all this reading and learning, here's what I concluded is best for me-

I think I will shoot in RAW and then if I don't feel like, or have time to do anything with them, I will batch process them with my software. But, if I do want to play with one or two (or get Jim to is more like it), then it can be done.

Sort of like bringing the raw olives homes from Greece and then making the olive oil here before they go bad....
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Mar 20th, 2007, 05:54 PM
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Safarichuck

I found what looks like a good alternative set-up rather than a tripod or bean bag for long lens users. A Manfrotto 635 super clamp and Manfrotto 2934 3/8" mounting plate with lock screw. You then attach your ball head to the mounting plate and wimberly to the ball head. I will send you a fax photo of the set up as I have it printed it from another site which is not available any more. The clamp goes on to the bars behind the seats. The cost of this set up (clamp and mounting plate is less than $60 and can be ordered from B&H).
Just let me know where to fax it.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 05:55 PM
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I'll have to check out ProShow Gold. Sounds pretty cool. The pictures look pretty good on TV, right?

For African music you might consider the sound track from the Broadway musical, The Lion King. It has some of the same songs that are in the Disney movie but also many different ones. My favorite (and you should hear the kids singing it in the car) is #4 and I also like #2 and #12. You can listen to them here http://www.amazon.com/Lion-King-1997...4441377&sr=8-1
scroll down to "Listen to Samples". (The kids also LOVE to sing #11. So funny.)

BTW, I shoot RAW. I still only know very little about PS but do manage to post photos.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 06:05 PM
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I have no idea why I thought the 1DIII was going to cost $2600 -- must be that I was remembering the price of a 5D or something like that. But frankly it doesn't matter whether is is $2500 or $4500, it is still out of reach for a DSLR beginner like me. For our next two trips, I plan to get 3-4 new lenses (70-200/2.8, EFS10-22, and a 300/2.8 with TCs, with maybe a 24-105L to boot) to complement the 100-400L that we use for wildlife. I will be lucky to get a used 30D or 20D as a second body with the money for all those lenses flying out of my account! But our experience with the 100-400 is that is gives us really nice results in good light, but it struggles when the lighting gets bad, hence the need for the 2.8 lenses.

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Mar 20th, 2007, 06:45 PM
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Cindy,
The photos look very good on a TV, the better the TV, the better they look. However they are not HD, they are of the quality of a regular DVD scan , 480 lines is it? I would like to try it on a DVD player that simulates HD, will do that someday. I'm really waiting for ProShow Gold to have HD capability, and a HD DVD recorder and HD disks that are not too expensive. Probably in two years.
ProShow Gold is very easy to learn/use. Very versatile, add still photos, add music, add video clips, make simple special effects, zoom (Ken Burns, on photos, color correction. I like it a lot, just need HD capability. I'll be happy to send you our DVD of our 2006 safari and you can see for yourself. Email me at tdgraham at sbcglobal dott net. Put Fodors in subject line so I can find it in the spam. (If you don't hear back from me, the spam got it, try again). I'll send out a few more if anyone else is interested.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 07:19 PM
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chuck, I have yet to do that,even though I have a PC permanently digitally connected into my Panasonic HD TV!!! (games) The exec file that ProShow Gold creates, it is still not HD is it? It is still an mpeg-1 file, of 480 lines, no? Does the PC/laptop run a "mpg" file? Unless it is showing the original photos as a jpg slide show? That is probably what it is doing? Can you refer me to Proshow documentation about this? Guess maybe I should just make a test show and try it !!!!

But the idea of the DVD is for sharing photos with family/friends. So they can simply take the DVD, drop it into their DVD player and watch it. Most of those folks don't even have a HD TV !!!
regards - tom
ps - if regular TV were broadcast properly, most people wouldn't care a lot about HD. Don't get me started !!!!
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Hi Tom,
The Pro Show Gold tech helpline told suggested that I create the executable copy and save it to a CD. That CD will play on any windows PC and out a high definition show. Well it worked. I bought a Sony Bravia 40" LCD TV and plug my laptop into it directly. I either use the disk I've created on the big desktop PC or put a copy on a thumbdrive (sandisk titanium 1GB) and then put that onto the laptop and plug it into the TV. We send the CD's we create to friends and have them play them on their computers, these high definitio executable shows will not run on a regular DVD recorder, however by outputting directly from a laptop you can play on any high definition TV. The steps can be found in Chapter 17 EXECUTABLE CREATION, page 291 of the ProSho Gold documentation. New versions probably are on another page. I am refering to Version 2.6 of the Users Guide. Let me know how it works for you. This setup really made up for the loss we felt when we gave up kodachrome slides. The images have incredible resolution and detail.
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Mar 20th, 2007, 08:37 PM
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Eric,
Thanks for the suggestion. I think I have a copy of that setup. I got it from Fred Mirandas site and the post was by Suemacc. She shows the setup on a 500mm f4 on an open vehicle in Bots. I believe she is on the faculty at Stanford U. I have a Really Right Stuff B55 ballhead but so far I have not purchased the sidekick. My wife keeps remining me that we are going to be overweight if I buy another piece of camera gear. All of the pictures I have seen of the vehicles in the Botswana camps we are headed for (Savuti, Chitabe, Kwetsani) suggest that the bars are very very low. I don't know if clamping that low will allow me to get any sort of line of sight? I had hopped that by placing a monopod between my knees I might get enough support and still have some mobility. What do you think? I will take Safari Sacks along as well. I'm afraid that unless we have the vehicle entirely to ourselves, I will not be able to use the clamp setup you mention. I had thought I might be able to get away without the Wimberly setup using a 300mm 2.8 IS lens with a 1.4 teleconverter. I can handhold this for short periods (unlike the 500mm f4). I am practicing with it right now and have mixed success after about 5 miinutes. It just gets to heavy but the monopod seems to improve things a lot. Let me know what you think and weather you have ebver tried the clamp setup yourself. I could always cramn it into my jacket pocket and avoid the overweight problem.
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Chuck, you are correct as far as the origin of the setup. Susan used that in Botswana and I think she stayed at Vumbura Plains, Kings Pool and some others. I am planning to use it myself this trip at Savuti, Chitabe and Little Vumbura but we do have a private vehicle so it may be easier. I suspect if you are in the second row left hand seat you would probably be ok since there will most likely be no one in front of you. I also have taken a tripod in the past and although we were 5 and all family members it worked pretty well. I took my 300 2.8 to E.Africa last summer and used bean bags out of the pop off top and through the windows with pretty good success. Hand holding is tough after a while and I got camera elbow. This year its a 500 and I don't even want to think of hand holding.On 1trip I took a monopod which was not to sturdy and found it useless but I think with a better quality one the results would have been different. What is your weight limit to Bots...I think mine is 20kg at least not the 12kg I had to Namibia. My camera equip alone is at least 15kg so very few no necessary items get packed.
As far as the wimberley, I got the sidekick and it works well but for a 300 I don't think its absolutely necessary. I have a Manfrotto 322RC on my tripod that works great with the 300. It's a pretty light set up especially with a carbon fiber tripod. Unfortunately, I was forced to get a different set up for the 500.
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Mar 21st, 2007, 06:18 AM
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Eric, would you mind emailing me that setup, as well? My email address is andybiggs_at_gmail_dot_com.

I also have an interesting setup that I will share with the group. Give me a few minutes to dig it up and post it to the web.

Thanks!

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Mar 21st, 2007, 06:28 AM
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Here is a quick link to a pretty nifty monopod setup for use in open vehicles.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/429304957/

The setup consists of three different monopods, some Bogen Super Clamps, and some other various equipment.
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How very cool, Andy. I think I "get" most of it except how you attach the two monopods from the vehicle's cross bar to the top of the center monopod just below the camera. It looks like some custom fitting and drilling was required. Yes?

Jim
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