Hand Baggage Banned on UK flights
Aug 10th, 2006, 12:33 PM
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Now that people are having to check all these items which they had previously been told NOT to check by the airlines, will the airlines cover any losses (theft and damage)? Would this require a change in the Contract of Carriage?
Aug 10th, 2006, 12:40 PM
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Hello,
Good question, ShayTay - I do know that they are loosening the restrictions on how much baggage you are allowed to check, but I'm not sure about liability. My guess would be that you are safest making sure your stuff is insured, as the airlines might very well claim that they are not responsible since they are 'just following the government rules.'
Cheers,
Julian
Good question, ShayTay - I do know that they are loosening the restrictions on how much baggage you are allowed to check, but I'm not sure about liability. My guess would be that you are safest making sure your stuff is insured, as the airlines might very well claim that they are not responsible since they are 'just following the government rules.'
Cheers,
Julian
Aug 10th, 2006, 12:54 PM
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I suppose that's why they aren't providing meal and hotel vouchers for delayed travelers, either.
On some airlines, you can declare "excess value" for your luggage and pay the airlines extra for that, if you happen to be traveling on a trip that you don't normally buy insurance for.
On some airlines, you can declare "excess value" for your luggage and pay the airlines extra for that, if you happen to be traveling on a trip that you don't normally buy insurance for.
Aug 10th, 2006, 02:46 PM
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You've been on safari for 2 weeks and taken 4,000 photos and have double back-up of them (laptop and P-2000). Now you have to turn loose of ALL OF IT to airline luggage. Recipe for a lot of heart breaks if you ask me. Just one example of many coming hassels that was once a simple flight. The airline industry (and we) had better be careful and wise up or the loss of business will drive up costs to make flying un-affordable.
regards - tom
regards - tom
Aug 10th, 2006, 04:34 PM
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I think those who talk about 'known profile' groups and 'easily identified' categories are overlooking the facts that the so-called profiling is not all that reliable and that the terrorist organisations are already recruiting outside the profiles anyway...and forgetting the unfortunate South American citizen who was 'easily identified' in London and was gunned down because he panicked (as many of us might do).
My wife has been attending a small business management course. One morning, one of the other students, a gentleman of Middle Eastern appearance, came to the course visibly upset. Somebody in the street had abused him as a terrorist. Then there's the well-known Australian cricket commentator (referred to by Hari in another thread) who forgot he was on air and 'joked' about a South African Muslim cricketer being a terrorist. Somehow, I have little faith in so-called 'known profiles.'
I'm with Cyn.
John
My wife has been attending a small business management course. One morning, one of the other students, a gentleman of Middle Eastern appearance, came to the course visibly upset. Somebody in the street had abused him as a terrorist. Then there's the well-known Australian cricket commentator (referred to by Hari in another thread) who forgot he was on air and 'joked' about a South African Muslim cricketer being a terrorist. Somehow, I have little faith in so-called 'known profiles.'
I'm with Cyn.
John
Aug 10th, 2006, 07:00 PM
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Tom,
Good Morning!!!
I frequently visit the United States....i refer to your point about the entire community taking responsibility for their people...
I am Indian and hindu and have nothing to do with the muslim community. However, i get checked time and again at US airports (which i dont mind)because the security personnel have no idea to distinguish between people of different communities. As a tall, lean, athletic, brown-skinned induvidual i am subject to more security checks than the average traveller. However, it does upset me when they use the line saying, "Would you mind participating in a random security screening program". The problem is some of the security personnel are not educated/exposed enough to even differentiate people of different communities etc etc.,
But, i guess that's the world today and i will still continue to travel and put up with the security measures.
Hari
Good Morning!!!
I frequently visit the United States....i refer to your point about the entire community taking responsibility for their people...
I am Indian and hindu and have nothing to do with the muslim community. However, i get checked time and again at US airports (which i dont mind)because the security personnel have no idea to distinguish between people of different communities. As a tall, lean, athletic, brown-skinned induvidual i am subject to more security checks than the average traveller. However, it does upset me when they use the line saying, "Would you mind participating in a random security screening program". The problem is some of the security personnel are not educated/exposed enough to even differentiate people of different communities etc etc.,
But, i guess that's the world today and i will still continue to travel and put up with the security measures.
Hari
Aug 10th, 2006, 11:21 PM
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Hi Hari,
I'm sorry that you are having to go through this extra hassel. But you have the right attitude, this is what is required today. And I'm sure you are not embarrased by it or that your "feelings are hurt". An adult understands and can handle it. Those persons who are sensitive and have their "feelings hurt" by this need to grow up.
The lack of education of the security personnel involved is a direct consequence of trying to do much to much with too little. We need to use the security resources intelligently (screening by group) and require that they be intelligent. Employ half the number of security and double their pay. Again, if we want to do it right, all we have to do is copy Al-El.
I now that this forum is really not the place to discuss this so I'm quitting now. Anyone else is welcome to the last word(s).
regards - tom
I'm sorry that you are having to go through this extra hassel. But you have the right attitude, this is what is required today. And I'm sure you are not embarrased by it or that your "feelings are hurt". An adult understands and can handle it. Those persons who are sensitive and have their "feelings hurt" by this need to grow up.
The lack of education of the security personnel involved is a direct consequence of trying to do much to much with too little. We need to use the security resources intelligently (screening by group) and require that they be intelligent. Employ half the number of security and double their pay. Again, if we want to do it right, all we have to do is copy Al-El.
I now that this forum is really not the place to discuss this so I'm quitting now. Anyone else is welcome to the last word(s).
regards - tom
Aug 11th, 2006, 05:43 AM
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Just want to offer my support to those of you getting ready to leave. I hope everything goes smoothly for all of you.
It seems as though we owe a debt of gratitude to the Pakistani and British authorities who were able to infiltrate and track these guys down before untold thousands were killed. We live in a messed-up world.
It seems as though we owe a debt of gratitude to the Pakistani and British authorities who were able to infiltrate and track these guys down before untold thousands were killed. We live in a messed-up world.
Aug 11th, 2006, 08:20 AM
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We do indeed, cooncat. I am so afraid to go on this trip, now. Who knows if they got all these guys....well, we can't stop living, though, can we? Too bad we live in a world with people filled with such hate....
Aug 11th, 2006, 08:26 AM
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I'm all for security and am willing to put up with alot of things, longer lines, thorough searches etc. But I guess I'll be self centered here . . . if we won't be allowed carry-on's, they have to come up with a way to transport our valuables without the risk of theft or damage. And allow extra weight to compensate for extra sturdy bags. And books! How on earth can I get on an airplane for even an hour without a book, much less a 17 hour flight.
Our next door neighbors flew back from Africa yesterday. They arrived at Dulles early in the AM. They missed their connecting flight (1.5 hr connection time) and had to spend 12 hrs in the airport. They were afraid to leave the airport with the security lines being so long. But they made it home without any problems.
I don't have a trip planned but I would not be afraid to fly now.
Our next door neighbors flew back from Africa yesterday. They arrived at Dulles early in the AM. They missed their connecting flight (1.5 hr connection time) and had to spend 12 hrs in the airport. They were afraid to leave the airport with the security lines being so long. But they made it home without any problems.
I don't have a trip planned but I would not be afraid to fly now.
Aug 11th, 2006, 08:40 AM
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Cindy,
Your feelings are understandable. I hope I can offer some words of comfort as I had a vacation set to Italy 3 weeks after 9/11 that I had planned for a year. The day before I was to depart my agent offered to refund or postpone my trip however I decided to go. Once I was on the plane, I never thought twice about my fears and honestly it never crossed my mind until I returned home and it was still plastered on the news.The chances of anything happening to you are very remote,quit watching the news too. You will see for yourself, have a wonderful time!
Your feelings are understandable. I hope I can offer some words of comfort as I had a vacation set to Italy 3 weeks after 9/11 that I had planned for a year. The day before I was to depart my agent offered to refund or postpone my trip however I decided to go. Once I was on the plane, I never thought twice about my fears and honestly it never crossed my mind until I returned home and it was still plastered on the news.The chances of anything happening to you are very remote,quit watching the news too. You will see for yourself, have a wonderful time!
Aug 11th, 2006, 09:41 AM
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Thank you, sundowner and Carla. I am going to just make myself NOT think about the dangers and focus on the positive...and you're right, watching the news makes it worse. I guess I'm really bummed about our camera equipment...we planned on carrying it on, and now we'll have to check it..and our travel agent says camera theft is a big risk, especially in Nairobi. UGH!!!!!
Aug 11th, 2006, 10:16 AM
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cindysafari - Just make sure your stuff is insured. I added mine to my homeowner's policy. They just needed a list of the equipment with serial numbers and the invoice. I didn't have invoices so I made a list and got the camera store where I bought everything to price it for me. The ins company accepted that.
Have a great trip!
Have a great trip!
Aug 11th, 2006, 10:34 AM
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Insurance is good sometimes but sometimes it does not cover what you think it would/should. You have to read the fine print. Also, some insurance has very high deductible compared to the premium charged.
But this is really what I want to ask. You've just arrived in Maun, but your camera kit did not. The airline says, it will come, just wait a couple of days. But you have to catch a SAA flight to the safari camp. Will the airline deliver the lost stuff to the safari camp? How long do you wait for the camera kit to turn up? If your camera kit never shows up then you've missed all safari photo opportunities. Therefore, upon the luggage first missing at Maun, should you go to a Maun camera store and buy another camera? If you do and then your camera kit arrives, will the insurance cover any of the cost of your replacement?
This is how my imagination works, to dig up all the negatives I can think of
In other news, it seems that the new carryon restrictions applies to liquids. I'm not sure if it applies to the other carryon stuff. I find it hard to image that laptop PCs would not be allowed as carry on. The business traveler would go nuts not having it with them plus the possibility of it getting lost or stolen as check in luggage. There are some risks we have to take just to live. I'm not going to stop driving my car because I might be killed in it.
regards - tom
But this is really what I want to ask. You've just arrived in Maun, but your camera kit did not. The airline says, it will come, just wait a couple of days. But you have to catch a SAA flight to the safari camp. Will the airline deliver the lost stuff to the safari camp? How long do you wait for the camera kit to turn up? If your camera kit never shows up then you've missed all safari photo opportunities. Therefore, upon the luggage first missing at Maun, should you go to a Maun camera store and buy another camera? If you do and then your camera kit arrives, will the insurance cover any of the cost of your replacement?
This is how my imagination works, to dig up all the negatives I can think of
In other news, it seems that the new carryon restrictions applies to liquids. I'm not sure if it applies to the other carryon stuff. I find it hard to image that laptop PCs would not be allowed as carry on. The business traveler would go nuts not having it with them plus the possibility of it getting lost or stolen as check in luggage. There are some risks we have to take just to live. I'm not going to stop driving my car because I might be killed in it.
regards - tom
Aug 11th, 2006, 11:49 AM
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Cindysafari: Just want to wish you a great trip! I really don't think you're at greater risk now, quite the contrary considering the security measures after a happening like this.
I hope you enjoy
siro
I hope you enjoy
siro
