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Feb 27th, 2006, 04:53 AM
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There have been a few threads about "what to do in DAR" and hotels here. Do a search on this board, using the box at the top of the page - enter Dar-es-salaam, click enter to right. Threads containing information will appear in the left column.

As to "things to do" - every hotel has a tour desk and brochures of what is available to fill in your day here. You can do some on your own or arrange a tour.
 
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Feb 27th, 2006, 06:09 AM
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just saw your migration maps--they are great.
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Feb 27th, 2006, 07:05 AM
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Thank you bat

They are only MY opinion of course - and still a huge gamble but as Gary Player used to say, "The more I practise the luckier I get!"

I am really hoping to get good pics from you. I've not seen the newer tents from Nomad and such.

Also if you can try to pinpoint the camp locations on my maps it will be great (despite the fact that they move).
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Feb 27th, 2006, 08:41 AM
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Eben, the maps ARE really great. I spend most of my time reading through old trip reports from the trip index-that is great too!!

However Eben, I can't seem to find your distance/drive time information. Would you mind terribly giving it to me for:

Klein airstrip to Migration Camp,
Migration Camp to Mbuze Mawe,
Migration to Ngorongoro Crater,
Ngorongoro direct to Arusha.

Thanks.

My husband is concerned about long rough dusty drives, we will both be 63 when we go there. We are some what spoiled for creature comforts, though we are both scuba divers, so are resonablely fit. I am lobbying for driving. Seems like with our short time, it would allow for more of a chance to see the wildlife. At least the reports give that impression.

Thanks soo mch for all the help.
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Mar 1st, 2006, 06:28 AM
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Well, Just got word from CCAfrica that Grumeti is all ready book for July 13 and 14!!!

Makes me wonder, if some one knows some thing I don't!! Does it have alot of game veiwing year around? What about central and Northern Serengeti and year around viewing? Looks like my hope to see some of the migration will have to wait.

To date the basic plan is;
July 13-fly Dar to Arusha overnight, flight schedules set this day unfortunately.

July 14-drive to Crater, Game drive Crater floor, overnight NCLodge

July 15-drive to Migration Camp overnight
CCAfrica told me Grumeti was booked, but NCLodge OK, they are pushing western Serengeti and flying. Roy's and ATR are pushing central and northern, but have not checked for space yet. So far, Roy's is the only one who is offerring a totally private trip! ART gives us a driver/vehicle between camps, but is using the camp program when we get there. Quotes are very close from all. I found Eben's and Liz's reports so now I have a whole new list of questions for them!!

July 16-Migration Camp overnight

July 17 Fly Klein's airstrip to Arusha, day room, flight home

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Mar 1st, 2006, 10:04 AM
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Wow, I can't believe Grumeti is booked for July 2007. That's koo-koo for cocoa puffs.

Your itinerary still looks good, however, and I think it's a fluke that Grumeti has no availability on the exact days you wanted to be there.

Go for north and central area in July. Firsthand experience tells me central has lots of resident game, and I believe Eben said/says north does too.
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Mar 1st, 2006, 10:23 AM
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Wow, I also can't believe places are already booked for July 2007. I thought I was being totally crazy to start planning for May '07...I guess I better get moving!
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Mar 1st, 2006, 11:03 AM
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I, too, am shocked Grumeti is booked that far out--but you are probably better off in the north anyway. Too bad the plane schedule forces the night in Arusha. It would be nice if you could squeeze out a central seronera night.
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Mar 1st, 2006, 11:59 AM
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I know I made the mistake thinking you were talking about 2006. Are you certain CCA knew you were referring to 2007?

If it's booked, they are holding block bookings and should be ashamed of themselves. Yet, they do have space at Crater Lodge? Tres tres strange.

However, if you can get Crater and then central/northern, you'll be just fine. It'll be a long drive from Ngorongoro to Migration, so request a stop in central at the Serena for lunch. It'll break up the drive somewhat.

 
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Mar 1st, 2006, 12:02 PM
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Bat,

I wish we could at least get to the Crater for the night of July 13. that way we could spend the night of July 14 in the central Serengeti and still have two nights at Migration. Our flight from Dar will get to Arusha between 15:00 and 16:00.

Somewhere I read it gets dark by 18:30, so I guess driving is out of the question.

All I am really trying to do, is have all plans confrimed before I buy airline tickets hopefully with FFpoints, Amex two for one or a combination.

Our window is so tight, I want to be sure I have the right dates. I got air tickets first for this summer's trip to England and France and I should have done a different date for the return. That has happened to me several times so I am trying a different approach this time!

I emailed Roy's to confirn that Migration was open for the days we are talking about. It is hard to believe things are booked up so early!!
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Mar 1st, 2006, 12:08 PM
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sandi,

yes, they know we are talking 2007. That is what they have on their quote. I know it will be a long drive, but it will be new and exciting to us so hopefully not to bad!

They are quoting a stop for lunch at Serena. I had read in some ones report about doing that-that it really helped! So I did request it. This is a great board for info! Thanks!
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Mar 1st, 2006, 12:20 PM
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FYI! 2007 prices will not be out before mid-summer 2006. The tour operators - ATR and Roys are quoting 2006 prices, so expect increases of 10% (more or less) for next year. And who knows whether there will be any changes in Park Fees.
 
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Mar 1st, 2006, 12:59 PM
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Sandi,

Yes I know. What is what all the quotes say in BIG BOLD LETTERS! Most say they will have 2007 prices in July. I will be gone a good bit, later this month. Then we will be on vacation mid June to mid July. We should be able to book airfare in August, so I want to be ready with confrimed rooms. CCafrica can confrim space now with just the 2006 prices, but they have yet to offer a tour that we like. To date Roy's is the closest then ATR. And I have not heard from one group that a friend who goes often uses, something Bush, can't think of it this minute. They do have a nice website though.

The reality of it is, as my husband is always telling me, as I try to nickel and dime savings on the plans- "bleep bleep bleep, that's a drop in the bucket based on the cost fo the trip! Don't worry about it! It is what it is!" On the other hand, if left up to him, we wouldn't go because the trips would be twice as expensive! The Houston agent arranging the Rail part is willing to give us a quote, but I think it will have lots of layers since it is a big agency.

Thanks for the heads up though! I'm sure I will miss something along the way.
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Mar 1st, 2006, 01:15 PM
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cwn,
You'll never remember the cost when the trip is over, only the memories. (Now I'm probably sounding like your husband.)

At some point I'd loive to see the whole itinerary, train ride and all.
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Mar 1st, 2006, 04:36 PM
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Leely,

Yes you are! But that is OK!

I'm so excited about this trip!! I send all my time reading reports listed in the trip index and looking at the pictures. I am having a hard time finishing a couple of things for our June trip. My husband is a big WWI and WWII history nut. We will be exploring the battle fields in western France and southern Belgium for him, but I do get some time in Paris!!

I am so glad some one asked about our whole Africa trip!! To me, the whole thing sounds like a dream trip. I will be glad to post it.

Give me a little while, just got back from several days in Houston and have to get dinner on.

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Mar 1st, 2006, 08:00 PM
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OK, for those of you who might be interested here is the outline that I'm working at filling in---

June 26- hopefully an overnight direct flight to Amsterdam, connect with flight to Cape Town. Several routes under considerstion.

June 27- arrive Cape Town pm, stay near waterfornt?

June 28 & 29- rest, tour Cape Town area, stay near waterfornt?, maybe rent a car so we can be own our own schedule for outings?

June 30- 11:00 departure from Cape Town on Rovos Rail, 18:00 arrive at Mateisfontein, explore village.(This is booked.)

July 1- 13:00 arrive Kimberley, lunch a Kimberley Club, visit the Big Hole and Diamond Museum-too bad they don't give free samples!

July 2- 11:30 arrive Pretoria- city tour.July 3- 11:00 arrive at Hoespruit for full board overnight at either Thornybush or Kapama Game Lodge.

July 4- full board at game lodge,
morning and afternoon game drive/guest activities.

July 5- early game drive, 12:00 depart Hoespruit. 23:00 arrive at Beit Bridge for border formalities.

July 6- travel through Zimbabwe, first two lectures-one in morning and one in afternoon by historian.

July 7- 11:00 transfer to Victoria Falls Hotel, full board, sunset cruise on Zambezi River, African Spectacular Show.

July 8- Tour of Falls, river rafting, golf or flight of angels, 16:00 train departs.

July 9- 13:30 pass throuh Lusak, and the Luangwa Valley, two more lectures during day.

July 10- 8:00 arrive at Kanona, brunch outing to Kundalila Falls. Depart 13:30.

July 11- 14:00 arrive Tunduma for Tanzanian border control, two more lectures in the series during the day.

July 12- 10:00 arrive at Makambabo, descend spectacular pass to Mimba, last two lectures in the series.

July 13- 10:00 arrive ar Tazara Station in Dar es Salaam. Transfer to airport for afternoon flight to Arusha, overnight in Arusha hotel. (this is what I am working on now)

July 14- Drive to Ngorongoro Crater morning, Crater game drive afternoon, overnight at Ngorongoro Crater Lodge,

July 15- Drive to northern Serengeti, see interesting sites and game along the way, lunch at Serena Lodge, overnight at Migration Camp.

July 16- Game drive/s, overnight at Migration Camp, with any luck see some of migration!

July 17- Morning game drive/tranfer to Klein's airstrip, transfer to hotel day room Arusha/Kilimanjaro(?), evening tranfer to airport for international flight.

July 18- Possible overnight in Amestrdam or flight home.

The train fare includes all food, drink, tours and lodging. The trip is 6100km on a completely rebuilt air conditioned Edwardian train. The cars all have a history dating to the early 1900's. There are a max of 72 passangers in a conbination of Royal suites-2 to a car(really NICE!), deluxe suites-3 to a car(also nice). These cars have a double or twin beds for two people- max and a sitting area. Then there are some regular pullman "suites" with a small sitting room that makes up into bedroom-4 to a car-that would be us! All suites have the same size full private bath in the cabin, that will be nice, a bar frige, closet storage and 24 hour room service! There is a very nice dinning car with 5* dinning and kitchen car, a lounge car and an observation car and guarde cars! It sounds like a rolling heaven with beautiful scenery through Africa. The train will only travel at night if the landscape is not noteworthy, so we should not miss to much. I'm really excited!

We have traveled in Europe by train and loved it. My husband wants to do the Trans Siberian, but I not sure that would be that great! There is also a Canadian train trip he wants to do-I will do that one willingly.

I was looking for a trip to Egypt, Nile cruise and stop in Preta for next year, when I found the train described in a A & K tour book on Egypt and Africa. They were doing a 2 day Cape Town to Pretoria run. I did some research and thought he would love this!

Thaks for letting me share! All I have to do is iorn out the details!

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Mar 2nd, 2006, 06:09 AM
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cwn: train trip sounds fabulous. How did you end up booking it--direct with Rovos Rail?
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Mar 2nd, 2006, 08:26 AM
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Sounds really great. I feel like I've read about this before, although I can't recall where.

Question: there's no way you can squeeze out one more day at the end to add a day to the Serengeti (depart for Amsterdam a day later)???
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Mar 2nd, 2006, 01:08 PM
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bat,
I emailed Rovos direct and they in turn put me through to their US agent in our area. I am working with them,s though alot of times I just book direct over the internet with the hotel, cruiselines, what ever. This time it seems better to do it this way.
The train trip and train does sound good!

Leely,
My husband can only be out of the office for 15 bussiness days at a time, and we are not getting any younger! We already have an extra day since we have the benfit of the Independence Day holiday. I cut one day out of Cape Town to have the four days at the end for Tanzania. The real problem is not being able to get somewhere in the Serengeti or to Ngorongoro on July 13.

I just feel we have traveled this far (spent this much time and money on air tickets) and are so close that we must see a little of the Serengeti. I would rather have seen a little than none at all. I maybe wrong, won't be the first time! But so far I don't have any regrets(and my husband has no compliants) for pushing the travel plans a little. We both agree we have done some neat things we wouldn't have otherwise.
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thanks--it will be great.
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