Flights - would this be crazy?

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Oct 5th, 2005, 01:31 PM
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Flights - would this be crazy?

I'm seeing airfare to Jo-burg from the Midwest for 1750 during my travel dates. The bugaboo is this: I'd arrive in Amsterdam at 9:15 a.m. and head to Jo-burg on a 10:15 a.m. flight! Back to back! And would I make the connection? I've never flown into Amsterdam. Thanks!
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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:06 PM
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You should make it as long as your inbound flight into AMS arrives on time. AMS is a very large airport but it's all interconnected so no need to shuttle between terminals. Since you have an international to international connection, there's no passport control to go through, you simply walk from your arrival gate to your departure gate. At most it takes 15-20 minutes to walk between the farthest international gates.

You can find an airport map that shows approx walk times at www.schiphol.nl - international flights arrive/depart D/E/F/G gates.

How much would the fare be if you overnight in AMS?
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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:07 PM
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If it's all on one carrier (presume KLM/Air France) then it ought to be okay. You would stay in the transit area at AMS (ie without going through immigration) and your bags would go through. As a general rule, if someone will sell you a ticket with a same-carrier connection, it's a "legal connection."
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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:30 PM
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Hi Sharon,

Personally, I'd be very nervous about booking a flight with only 1 hour to connect -- particularly if you are flying out of Chicago or another delay-prone airport.

If you decide to do this, double check the check-in requirements. If you can check in all the way through the Joburg it's doable barring any delays on your outbound flight. If you need to switch carriers and thus queue to check in again, you may fall foul of the check-in requirements of the second carrier if they require you to check in 45 minutes prior to departure. You should also find out what happens if you don't make the connection -- what will the airline provide for you? Some airlines refuse to compensate people who they feel have not left sufficient time to connect.

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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:32 PM
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Hi - It is the same carrier - KLM. I'm waiting for someone to come up with flights for me separate from what I can do myself. The trick is that I need to get to Lusaka then, for my connection to Mfue. I don't know about overnighting in Amsterdam cost-wise but it would be a nice break and I've never been there so it would be fun. Are such overnight plans more expensive? (other than hotel, of course) Thanks!
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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:36 PM
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Julian ! It's late over there! I have a hunch that the person who's working on my flights will try to put me on the SAA non-stop to Jo-Burg. I'm not sure I want to do that, but I'll see how it all comes out price wise. I may have Nicky do a work-up for me, as well.

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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:53 PM
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Sharon,

I wouldn't risk it. Spend a night in Amsterdam, if you must, or look for an earlier/later flight for the same day.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:58 PM
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If the slightest thing goes wrong, you are screwed, look at the ramifications of that. I've been late enough often enough not to even chance it. Remember it's not really an hour, unless they hold the aircraft open for you, otherwise they will close the doors 10 minutes before departure.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:58 PM
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June 2006 pricing on saa chicago-jnb= $1953.55 including taxes.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 02:59 PM
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What time does that flight get to Jo'burg? It must be 10 or 11 at night, so you still have to overnight.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:04 PM
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OK - here is what my agent came up with: two options:


1*NW5645T 25MAY TH LNKMSP HK1 105P 225P/O J01 E
2 NW 42T 25MAY TH MSPAMS HK1 320P 630A#1/X J01 E
3*NW8439T 26MAY FR AMSJNB HK1 1005A 845P/X $KL0591T J01 E (you have to overnight in Johannesburg)
4*NW8422T 12JUN MO JNBAMS HK1 1040P 930A#1/O $KL0592T E
5 NW 67T 13JUN TU AMSDTW HK1 1105A 140P/O J02 E
6*NW2973T 13JUN TU DTWLNK HK1 310P 410P/X J02 E




1 SA 64L 27MAY SA JNBLUN HK1 1140A 140P/O $
2 SA 65L 12JUN MO LUNJNB HK1 240P 445P/O $

Published rate as of today - NOT based on instant purchse = $440 including taxes

Option 1 total - $2271.00


OPTION #2:

Via Nairobi - all on one ticket.

1*NW2972L 25MAY TH LNKDTW HK1 500P 810P/O J01 E
2 NW 36L 25MAY TH DTWAMS HK1 1020P 1205P#1/X J01 E
3*KL4341L 26MAY FR AMSNBO HK1 805P 635A#1/O $ E (spend day in Amsterdam)
4 KQ 428M 27MAY SA NBOLUN HK1 1015A 1155A/O $
12 June - overnight Lusaka
5 KQ 424M 13JUN TU LUNNBO HK1 1050A 415P/O $
6*NW8566L 13JUN TU NBOAMS HK1 1010P 535A#1/O $KL0566L J02 E
7 NW 41L 14JUN WE AMSMSP HK1 1045A 1235P/X J02 E
8*NW5636L 14JUN WE MSPLNK HK1 450P 613P/X J02 E

Fare: $2014 + $110 Q + $87 taxes - as of today
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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:07 PM
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English, please?

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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:10 PM
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You twerp. Check your e-mail.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:23 PM
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Given the above choices, I guess the considerations are would you rather overnight in JNB or AMS on the outbound? Returning option 2 requires an extra overnight in Lusaka (I'm assuming with option 1 you can fly from your camp to LUN in time to catch the 2:40pm flight?), how do you feel about this?
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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:34 PM
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My apologies - here is the translation. I thought you all were experts at this sort of thing! ;-)

OPTION 1

1Northwest - LNK Minneapolis 1:05P-2:25P
2 NW 25MAY TH Minn -Amsterdam 3:20P-6:30 a.m.
3*NW 26MAY FR AMSt J0burg 10:05A- 8:45PM overnight in Johannesburg
4*NW 12 JUN MO Joburg-Amster 10:40Pm- 9:30AM
5 NW 13 JUN TU Amster- Minneapolis 11:05 Am- 1:40PM
6*NW2973T 13JUN TU DTWLNK HK1 310P 410P/X J02 E
 

 
Flights to Lusaka:
1 SA 64L 27MAY SA JNBLUN HK1 1140A 140P
2 SA 65L 12JUN MO LUNJNB HK1 240P 445P

Published rate as of today - NOT based on instant purchse = $440 including taxes
 
Option 1 total - $2271.00
 
 
OPTION #2:
 
Via Nairobi - all on one ticket.
 
1*NW 25MAY TH LNK Detroit 5:00 PM- 8:10PM
2 NW 25MAY TH Det. -AMS 10:20PM 12:05PM
3 KLM 26MAY FR AMST-Nairobi 8:05 PM- 6:35AM (spend day in Amsterdam)
4 KQ 428M 27MAY SA NBOLUN HK1 1015A 1155 AM
12 June - overnight Lusaka
5 13JUN TU Lusaka -Nairobi 10:50AM -4:15PM
6 13JUN TU NBO -AMS 10:10PM 5:35AM
7 14JUN WE AMST-Minneap 10:45AM 12:35PM
8 14JUN WE MSP-LNK 4:50 PM 6:13PM
 

 
Option 2 $2211.00
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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:39 PM
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OK I misread option 2, I see that you actually spend 8 hours in AMS, not overnight.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:51 PM
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I think I'd prefer option 1 as option 2 is a long way to go without a decent night's rest. I assume after arrival in LUN you'd still have another flight to your camp?
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Oct 5th, 2005, 03:59 PM
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Patty - I'm not sure but I think so, to Lower Zambezi.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 04:24 PM
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Option 3

5/25 (United) LNK-ORD-LHR Dep 6:30 pm Arr 11:15 am
5/26 (Air Kenya) LHR-NBO-LUN Dep 7:00 pm Arr 11:55 am
6/12 (Air Kenya) LUN-NBO-LHR Dep 12:50 pm Arr 6:25 am
6/13 (United) LHR-ORD-LNK Dep 10:35 am Arr 6:22 pm

UA LNK-LHR R/T = $834 all in
KQ LHR-LUN R/T = $962 all in
Total $1796 all in.

I believe all connections at LHR would be in Terminal 3, so no immigration etc.; you'd have (non-overnight) 7 hr layovers in LHR outbound and NBO on the way back.
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Oct 5th, 2005, 04:31 PM
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Gardy - what/where is LHR? Where'd you find these?

Thanks!
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