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May 30th, 2015, 10:27 AM
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I've found the wine prices at the lodges to be pretty reasonable, not worth bringing your own. I'd imagine they'd look askance at it, and probably charge a corkage fee. South Africans are VERY big on their domestic wines, and for good reason. Let the people at EP help you choose, you won't regret it.

It's apparently regarded as a bit blue-collar, but I'm very fond of the Savanna hard cider available in SA - terrific for the "sundowners" out in the bush during the evening drives.
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May 30th, 2015, 12:45 PM
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Hi Gardyloo, sorry i didn't make my self clear. I didn't mean to bring it to a dinner with us , but just to have a bottle in the room and enjoy it on the deck or somethin...
If there is the first time for everything - we will try Savanna hard cider . Thank you!
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Kellyee - Sorry I did not reply to your post, did not see it. I totally agree with you, and will reconsider plans.
After being in SA and Kenya I said I never wanted to set foot in a zoo. However, I spent ten years volunteering to build our local zoo, and realized that there are many, many children who would not have an opportunity to see animals except at a zoo. I changed my mind. twoaussies
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Hi there,
Just wondering if you heard about horrible incident in the Lion Park near Johannesburg on June 1st..; a 22 years old American woman was killed by a lion..
I read substantial posts and articles Calling to keep the car windows up when in the KNP - and I'm going to follow that alright...
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Hi Olia_ok,

I don't know where you were reading about posts and articles saying to keep your windows closed in KNP but please know there is no comparision between the Lion Park and KNP. The lions in Lion Park have been hand raised by humans (unfortunately so tourists can pay to have photos taken with them) and have no fear of humans. This is totally unnatural and not the case with lions in KNP. While many lions may be relaxed around vehicules in KNP, they see a vehicule as one big object and as long as you don't break that outline by sticking your head, arms or other body parts out of the vehicule you should be fine (never say never, they are wild animals of course). I have had lions in KNP walk right past the car when our windows were down, we just remained silent and motionless as we could tell they were on a mission and that did not involve our car. If the lions would be showing any interest in the vehicules we would of course put the windows up. I once had to squeeze between a lioness in the middle of the road and a car parked off on the other side and I only had centimeters to spare, and while passing her we of course put the window up on her side.

It is totally allowed (and encouraged if you really want to get a feel of the bush) to drive in KNP with the windows down. Be very careful however around vervets and baboons and if they approach you will certainly want to put the windows up quickly as they can do a lot of damage really fast.

Have a great trip, I hope you will love South Africa as much as I do.

@twoaussies: thanks for reading and replying, glad to hear you are reconsidering (while I am not crazy about zoos, I really don't compare the places I was talking about to zoos, I consider them much worse than most zoos).
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Hi Kellyee21, Thank you very much for the post. I understand. Yes, we very excited, I'm about to get our plane tickets!
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Hello there,

I have a question here about Cape Town hotels if you don't mind.

I looked at the A&V hotel and area and it is nice, but we're more into the ocean views and beaches (yes, it will be winter there). Can someone please tell me about Camps Bay - that area is great as I'm understanding to stay in, correct? I realize it is a touristy area, but can you please give your opinion? Has anyone stayed somewhere there with the ocean views/front and/or has favorites?

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Hello Everyone,

Can you please share how you book a rental car for SA?
It seems that car rental web sites, like Avis, allows to book a car originated for example from HDS, on their
and .co.za web sites... As much as the easiest for us would be to book it on .ca, I'm just wondering how you have done it before and if there is something to be aware of...

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Hello there,

I'm still planning our return from Elephants Plains to Johannesburg. I found this suggestion below for our possible routing, can you please share your thoughts on this?
So, after we exit Gowrie gate returning from EP (25th), do you think it is a good idea to enter the KNP again and drive around and maybe exit by another gate closer to the Panorama route?

If we will enter the park again, then we can exit it via Orpen Gate.
(or some other gate makes more sense if we're aiming for the Panorama route??).
Then we can get to the northern part of the Panorama Route, driving via Hoedspruit and the Strijdom Tunnel and then turning left onto the R532. Stopping at The Three Rondavels (Blyde River Canyon view point), Bourke's Luck Potholes, Berlin Falls, and a few other view points, and make it to Graskop by sunset... (?)
Then the suggestion continues with heading back the following morning to do the short R534 loop north of Graskop to view the Pinnacle and God's Window, and perhaps came back south to stop at Lisbon Falls, before making our way to Johannesburg.

If we do this and stay overnight in Graskop. We will have one more night and day before flying home(7pm).
Where would you suggest to spend them? (incl Johannesburg)

Will it work for example, if after a night at Graskop, in the morning of 26th, we will drive to Soweto, tour there, and stay for a night somewhere there..?

OR should I reconsider and stay another night in the park (from 25 to 26) and from 26 to 27 in Graskop and drive to jnb on 27 for 7pm flight home?...

IMPORTANT to hear from you, Do You think that the northern part of the Panorama Route can be pretty demanding for first time Left side drivers??

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we just returned from 18 nights in southern africa... we did a 2 day stop in london on the way out, and a 1 day stop on our return. we have become fans of the stopover... we used to think it a waste of time, but now we love the break and change of pace.

as for the woman in who was attacked in the park, our Kruger safari guide wrote this really good (short) article on the subject just after it happened. here's a link.


have a wonderful trip!
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Hello there,

I was trying my best to get here as quick here as i could . I'm living it through as i report.

ANYWAYS, here is my FIRST Part. And with some more time I Will post the rest.

At the end of this July we returned from our very first trip to South Africa.

This trip was arranged with substantial help of this forum.

Thank you very much to: Christabir, Cardyloo, Kawh, Kellyee and many more.

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Well, where do I start?

The trip was amazing by all means and everything went smoothly. Some things didn't happen because of the weather and some did*, but lets just attribute both to the beauty of the Mother Nature.

PEOPLE: We got deeply touched by the genuine friendliness and welcoming by the people of South Africa. There was no time that we felt that whatever was said was not meant. There was no time that we were left unattended if we asked for attention.

FOOD: We were very pleased with the food Quality and Presentation throughout the entire trip and were shocked how inexpensive (for comers) it is. Bottles of wine are a bargain even at restaurants.

SERVICE: We were fully satisfied with the services everywhere throughout the entire trip including hotels, restaurants, stores, taxis, renting two different cars and flying with SA airlines.

SAFETY: Fears about safety can be dismissed if you are sensible. We never observe or experienced any wrongdoing and felt save and comfortable at all times.

We were surprised to find touch screen directories at the malls (not that I can think of one in Toronto malls) and a high class decor and finishings at the hotels.

We were taken by surprise to see the sun shining on us from the North and the "lying down" moon that looks like a smile. And that the eggs don't get stored in the fridge in the supermarkets. Also that room service is performed two times a day. In the morning they tuck the bed in and in the evening they untuck it for you That's what I call Service.

And of course the Safari! It still blows our mind that we were allowed to step into the natural habitat of those beautiful animals. We enjoyed that and absorbed that enjoyment fully.

We traveled in order:

6 nights in Cape Town - 2 in Victoria & Alfred Hotel, 4 in Azamare Guest house.

1 night in Kruger park, Satara Camp

3 nights in Sabi sand, Elephant Plains game lodge

1 night in Graskop, Graskop hotel

1 night in Johannesburg, Holiday Inn Rosebank

While getting there from Toronto we spent a night and almost a day in Amsterdam. Took a walking tour including red lights district, witnessed the girls in the windows -check mark; had a lunch in the city and took a boat tour. We stayed in CitizenM at the airport - nice modern facilities.

While getting home from Africa, we had 8 hours in Paris, so we made it to the Eiffel tower and of course had some yummy crepes. Although, not as good as Harries pancakes in Graskop. We checked online for the tickets to the top of the tower 3 days prior, but it was already too late, they were sold out, so maybe next time. We just wandered around it.

Our 11 hour flight from Amsterdam - Cape Town was with KLM and was very good. No bumps at all, excellent service and as it seemed to me that there was nonstop food which was not bad at all for being served 10km up in the air.

Day 1 - We landed in Cape Town on time at 9.15pm lightly doubting if this is not a dream, but really The Africa.

We were out very fast and easy, maybe 40 min max.

To avoid the lengthy procedure of picking up rented car right after the landing, we had ours booked from the next morning and just wanted to get to the hotel already. I had a taxi arranged with the company called City Shuttles - this was our first encounter with a local person and service. A lady driver was waiting for us and was very welcoming and professional. She was the first person we met in South Africa and we couldn't be more happy with our arrival.

Check-in to the Victoria and Alfred hotel was fast and pleasant.

We were given notice that water will be shut off for a few hours period, but with note given ahead, it didn't affect us. We wandered outside by the hotel and there was a band playing in joined with a bar tent. When they were done we moved inside and there was a fire place going and maybe first time in a long while we again experienced it as not just a decor accessory, but actually useful necessity. Sense of the fire wood and its crackling, and mingling in a good spirit people, and the wine - can it be more perfect.. - .. we were in Africa.

My husband from all the excitement mixed up red notes and gave the
bartender CAN$50 (appr ZAR 500) instead of ZAR50 and the bartender
ran after him and gave it back... how nice.
Our room in V&A faced huge palm trees and the street; a big window can be easily opened and one could sit on the wide windowsill and watch the street, it was so nice!

Day 2 - Our first breakfast at the hotel (was incl) made our eyes pop out. I wish I counted how many items were there at the buffet!
Including olives and sweet pickles which you won't see here for
breakfast . But wait! Of course you're also ordering hot dishes which are made on order for you and Not that there's only a CHOICE of, but ALL of these - eggs, fried beef sausage, pork sausage, liver, back bacon, scalloped potatoes, roasted tomato, onions and mushrooms! And ofcourse plenty of other hot breakfast dishes. Very good start with a very nice view of Cape Town's waterfront - Africa...

We picked up our car and first decided to do the cable car to the top of the Table Mountain while it was working. Traveling to Cape town first time, I decided not to plan more than two activities a day because it's getting dark earlier and by that time I was always planning to be 'home'. Robben Island tickets were already purchased on line and whale watching was booked, so the rest of activities were supposed to be happening around those two. Also there were 2 dinners and 1 lunch booked in highly regarded restaurants, see what'll happen to those...

While trying to park along the road going to the mountain, we
experienced the car minders for the first time. They were nice and
'coordinated' us parking on the shoulder . Wow, the view of Cape
Town from that point was already soo impressive and just unbelievably beautiful! Well, the top of the mountain had "a blanket" over it. We enjoyed the ride and the view, but at the very top there was only the fog. Only when we returned from Africa, we watched a Youtube video with the cable car ride on a clear day and saw what we missed, oh well, maybe next time . We drove on to the Signal hill and again the views of the ocean and Cape Town are just amazing. Got pictures inside the yellow frame. There are these Huge yellow "frames" installed
through the city. They are raised from the ground and by standing on them you get yourself into the yellow frame with back drop of South African scenery and with the name of the place and its coordinates on the frame.

We then went off to the Kirstenbosch Botanical gardens and oops, we missed the last Tram(3pm) by 15min. There were a few drops of rain coming down and we didn't go inside on foot.
We drove plenty around and did some grocery shopping at Woolworth and stopped at a liquor store on some busy local street, looked like everyone was returning home from work.

We had a dinner at Meloncino at the waterfront; once again a gourmet, thin crust pizza, and very nicely done mojitos with excellent service for something ridiculously inexpensive, AND that was after we missed the early bird winter special which would make the price less by HALF!

Day 3 - Remember those few drops of the rain? Well, the morning of day three was extremely windy with rain on and off. This day was for moving to Azamare Guest House in Camps bay and for a trip to Point peninsula. Another great breakfast and talk about how we underestimated the V&A hotel from afar. There are a few consistent reviews for it about things being stolen from the locked safes..., I chose it anyways for the price and this was the only place during the trip when I was carrying a fanny pack with
passports and the rest with me. But everything went great about this place.

We were warmly greeted at Azamare as we were dropping off our luggage and offered to see out suite, but it was a surprize for my husband and I said with will see it when we're back . The rain by that time became stronger, but we couldn't just give up a day because of that (ya, right). There is a lot of construction going on in Camps Bay (and everywhere), there were closures and we lost some time repeatedly going up and down the streets until we stopped and asked for the directions one of the construction workers. To our surprise, he pulled out a printed page of google map and explained it. The original plan was to get there by the east side of the Cape peninsula along the False Bay and return by the west side along the ocean and meet the sunset at the Chapman's Peak drive. Of course no sunset was happening on that day, and not only that. Being inside the park, we stopped at one of the rangers stations and were told by another couple that the Chapman's peak drive is closed and we would need to return by the same road.

We made it to the funicular and went up to the Lighthouse - WOW - here is where the Two Oceans meet. Rain luckily stopped for a short time, but wind was extreme. Incredible views. After all this _driving on the left during the storm in Africa_ adventure we decided to treat ourselves in the Two Oceans restaurant which is there. Very nice dishes, we both chose fish, ($16CAN), crisp tablecloths and warm dynamic, too bad the ocean was almost invisible despite the glass wall because of the rain and wind combined lol.

Heading back, but NOT before we get to the iconic sign with the coordinates of the Most South-Western Point of African continent at the Point of Good Hope.

In preparation for this trip, every time I saw a picture with that sign I was forgetting to breathe, was trying to imagine Us Being there too and here is the day - it was almost impossible to keep your eyes open from the rain and wind, but trust me, WE Tried ! LOL There was a couple of more cars there and despite the weather people were willing to take each other's pictures.
Well, we were already back inside the car and the other cars were
leaving, and I thought, No that is not enough and I said, please a
couple more pictures and opened the car door... the wind hit it soo hard that I thought it ripped it off, it didn't, but the door wouldn't close easily... Uh-oh, at first we thought it wouldn't close at all (can you imagine?!), but then we were able to close it and headed out of the park thanking Trip Adviser for the Worldwide insurance that we had! Anyways, while one thing lead to another, we knew we wouldn't be at Azamare before dark. Oh ya, _first time on the left side during the storm in the dark in Africa_ adventure continued! After all, we got home safely and without getting lost. And wow, our Nautilus Suite at Azamare was nothing but Spectacular place, we had 'our own' elevator, our own outside pool (yes, I knew it would be winter time there), rooms
were decorated with the candles and rose petals. There was a bottle of champagne, a modern fire place was going, basically the fire was lit along a strip of stones against the wall, the suite is large and has two connecting balconies out on living room and bathroom, right on the ocean and just out of this world and after all it was our anniversary in a couple of days!

We're noticing, our luggage is all delivered and neatly arranged in the suite and our groceries which were in the plastic bags all sorted and put in the fridge. (very nice)
Breakfast and canapes and wine in the evening were included in the
stay as well! We went to the lounge and had to tell all our adventures to the host Anai, who generously fed us with artisan sandwiches paired with wines. Can it be more perfect --- Africa... My husband said yes, it could, if it wouldn't be raining

... and at some point later he said "sweetheart, did I* pay
for this?" LOL, I kept it secret and by North American standards this unit would be easily over a thousand $ per night, but over there it was more than a half More affordable.

Day 4 - A visit to The Old Biscuit Mill was scheduled for the morning before the Robben Island tour, but we pooped out.
After all the flights and drives and moves we just slept in.
We adored the ocean views and the suite in the morning light and after a great breakfast with the view of Lion head mountain from Azamare's launch we headed out for the Robben Island tour.
Ironically that day was Nelson Mandela's Birth Day and is declared Nelson Mandela National day. There was a nice, cheerful spirit on on the streets. Halfway to the pier I'm glancing at the tickets and realizing that the boat leaves 30 min earlier than I had it in my head and we are almost late! Rushing, asking for the directions to the parking garage, running to the pier, being grabbed by very understanding pier personnel and routed as needed - YES - we made it lol.

Nice boat ride, seeing Cape Town and the Table mountain from the water. The weather was perfect, sunny and almost hot, No blanket over the Table Mountain, but we were sailing away from it. Local families are on the boat as well - day in Memory of Nelson Mandela. We actually liked the bus tour of the Island better, than the jail tour. Nice ride around, in and out of the bus walks through some houses of famous political prisoners, good history lesson, touchy moments with the guide's genuine thank you to everyone for coming and giving 67 min of our lives to this place when Nelson Mandela gave it 18 years. The guides for the bus and Jail were different ones and the jail guide was an older gentleman
speaking very quiet and very slowly, after we got to see and listen about Mandela's cell, we ended the tour. But the boat back was already full and we stuck waiting for the next one close to an hour. Remember that rush to the boat? Upon returning to the Waterfront's garage we realize we can't remember where we left the car.., well, the walls were green lol and we have the ticket. Showing the ticket to garage security and asking for help, he transmits the problem on their radio and another guy on the bike appears. Asking us what kind of car is it, color and where approximately we left it. After us explaining, he goes, ohhh, it's you guys, you made my job much more difficult - you LEFT your car windows fully opened.. oops. What ever we had in the car - it was all there

We are making another attempt to the cable car because it's clear, but well, not only us. Shoulder parking by the mountain is filled-in up to very far. We walk a long walk up to the tickets and see a huge line and the time till closing is very tight..., oh well maybe next time

While driving driving around and adoring the streets, we surely realizing how hungry and tired we are. I have 7 course dinner with wine pairing booked for 7.15 at Myoga and it is more than 2.5 hours ahead and we need to arrange a taxi there and back..

I call them just in case they can take us now as we are very hungry lol, but no they can't. I later realized why, the time earlier is the SunSet time and of course it is booked up. We felt like canceling it and so we did. Instead we headed to the
Promenade, which is conveniently on the way 'home'. So we had a great dinner on the front patio one of the restaurants with the view of the ocean and a sun set. Can it be more perfect --- Africa...

Day 5 - A whale watching in Hermanus with Southern Right Charters for 12.00 and a visit to Stony Point penguins colony are scheduled for today. 9am, about to pull out of the driveway, phone call is coming in - the sea is rough and the 12pm trip is cancelled..., I'm rescheduling it for the next day (last day in Cape town) at 9am - we would have wake up veeery early...

Well, the day is young, we have all the time in the world, it is sunny and almost hot, BUT there is a blanket over the Table mountain..! So we went to the Waterfront to do some shopping. We did good then.

I want to point out a store called African Trading Port. It beats every other craft/souvenir store we've been to on this trip, it beats them all by the choice and the price. It is a three story building and it has everything you can possibly think of. From Humongous statues, masks and beds to glassware to some tiny pins and bracelets. It looks like the store has only this one location. We went to the stores in Graskop, craft market in Johannesburg and saw vendors along the panorama route and everywhere there were more or less the same items, the African Trading Port was the best. We also came across this food market with vendors selling all kind of mouth watering foods and snacks, advanced healthy shakes, coffee etc. We just had to have those crepes at one of the counters - imagine the aroma, fresh grounded coffee, crepes.... Everything about this place was so modern and authentic at the same time. It was Sunday early afternoon and the dynamic was so relaxing, people were chatting and sipping their cappuccinos.

For souvenir clothing we really liked a a store called Out of Africa (on the Waterfront as well). Very well and tastefully made t-shirts, scarves etc. Not the usual tacky touristy stuff.

After dropping off all the goodies and resting a bit we decided to
drive Chapmans Peak with the beautiful weather outside.

And so it was beautiful, scenic drive. We drove there and back as the sun was getting lower. Many stops and a lot, a lot of pictures with breathtaking views of the mountains, ocean, and the spots formed by villages by the foot of the mountains across the water.

I had a dinner booked at La mouette; 6 courses with wine pairing and this would be the only booking we made to attend . The food was very good, but what were we thinking?! I guess we didn't think that the portions of the pairing wines can be that generous lol.
So 6 glasses of wine... WILL take some time to IN-take and the place was becoming warmer and warmer from the fireplace going and doing a very good job! So the hit and the wine and dark burgundy walls and dimmed lights got down on us and the wine tasting became a wine torturing lol, that's what we ended up calling it. As you can imagine, we took the desserts to go.

Taxi to go there and back was safe and proper.

Day 6 - It's after 6am, pulling out of the driveway for a possible 9am whale watching in Hermanus.

Oh boy, they really walk. Driving on the highway and passing pedestrians often, we even see some crossing the hwy! Driving for about an hour, phone call is coming in - the sea is rough and the 9am trip is cancelled and it looks like no later trips can be possible also. Oh well, maybe next time .

We were about to pass some town, I see it is Somerset. We're exiting and pulling into a gas station. Oh boy, 'Life in the Village starts very early'. All of them walk. Very active and busy time as I observe from the car. I'm realizing I'm waiting for my husband for a while already as went inside to pay. Worried I'm going in, and he is apparently waiting for the fresh pastries to be out of oven which are sweet and not savory lol, ok.

As we have OUR Sweet pastries and coffees leaving the gas station and very soon we realize that, yes, they are sweet, but there is ham inside LOL, ham and some jam kind of filling, Ok!

As we drive on some street we start noticing that there are auto shops one after another, and decide to stop and ask if our car door from the windy day can be possibly fixed...

My husband explains what happened to one of the workers, the worker goes in and comes out with obviously the owner. He looks at it, gives some instructions in Afrikaans and a couple of guys running to us and tweaking the door with some simple tools up and down left and right and voila - its fixed and closes properly. We cant be more happier and asking the owner how much we owe them for the work, guess what - he says nothing it's fine. what? Really?

We tip the workers and being very thankful, we head to Boulders beach to see the penguins.
Watching them is highly enjoyable activity, they are so cute and funny running in and out of the ocean.
Adoring and buying some souvenirs from the vendors and my husband
decides to make another trip to the Point peninsula, with the SUNNY weather this time!

We decided to go there and back by the west side so through
the Chapmans peak. I had lunch booked at La Colombe restaurant at
Silvermist, but how the things were going I could already see we wont make it. We decided not to switch the current plans because of the lunch...

I cancelled it and as we arrived to the park, again we ate at the Two Oceans restaurant, but of course when it is sunny, you can't get the table by the window, they were all booked. This time there was a lot of good and sunny pictures by the most South-Western Point of African Continent sign! Going back through Chapmans peak as sun is getting lower. Again, many stops and a lot, a lot of pictures. We watched the sunset from our balcony, it is hard to find the words, it was just amazing ---- Africa..

We had our dinner at Azamare again with Anai, endlessly chatting about Canada and South Africa.

Thank you Azamare for a great stay!

Tomorrow early we're flying to Kruger!

And as you can already guess, there Will be No blanket over the Table mountain!
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Enjoying your report. We were there in April celebrating our 50th, congratulations on your anniversary!

Look forward to the rest of the story.
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Hello there Cwn,

Thank you for reading. And Happy Anniversary to you as well. I'm more than sure it was unforgettable.
For solid two weeks after we got back I was dreaming of Africa and elephants etc.
I hope that some of the members who helped me with arranging the trip, will resurface and read.
Do you know by any chance if there is a way to message a member? I couldn't find anything like that in the help section.

Thank you once again. I'm in the process.
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Wonderful report, thank you. I was fortunate to spend 2.5 mos. in SA, before I was married, and meet relatives who have been there for generations.
I hope to return with my husband, and show him the beauty of Africa. For me, it was life changing.
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Thank you for reading Jetset1 !

For us it was also life changing experience and I'm still dreaming of elephants!
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