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Old Mar 9th, 2004, 12:00 PM
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Washington DC Itinerary: Comments and Help

I am planning a short trip to DC for myself, husband and two sons (17 and 14) beginning on March 19. I have developed this itinerary so far:

Saturday:
Bus Tour (overview)
Arlington National Cemetary
Georgetown
2pm: Georgetown lacrosse game

Sunday:
International Spy Museum
Ford's Theater
Old Post Office (for the view)
National Archives
Monuments by Moonlight or similar bus tour

Monday:
Washington Monument
Bureau of Engraving and Printing
Museum of Natural History
Air and Space Museum
Hirshhorn Sculpture Garden

Tuesday:
Holocaust Museum
Tour of Capitol at 2pm
Supreme Court Building
Library of Congress

Questions:

1. Does this itinerary seem workable or too ambitious? Did I miss anything critical?

2. Can you tell me which bus tour you prefer and how close it might get us to the entrance of Georgetown U. Also, would we be better off just driving to the lacrosse field at GU from our hotel (the Radisson Barcelo)?

3. I'm trying to decide on some evening entertainment. Would you recommend "Shear Madness" or the Capitol Steps? Any other ideas?

4. Can you suggest places for lunch near the International Spy Museum, the Museum of Natural History and the Holocaust Museum or the Capitol? We would prefer "healthy" or ethnic food...

5. Can you give me some suggestions for dinners in the Dupont Circle area (or a short cab ride away)? At dinner we would like to relax with some nice wine and good food. Our budget would be somewhat flexible.

Thanks so much in advance for your response!


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The itinerary looks do-able if you're energetic and fllexible. Sunday might be a little light, Monday a bit too full, depending on personal interests.

Check the websites for details about your planned visits that require either advance arrangements (Capitol; looks like you already did this) or timed tickets, available day-of-visit (Spy Museum, Washington Monument, Bureau of E&P, Holocaust).

My young-teen son thoroughly enjoyed the Capitol Steps and of course, unlike Shear Madness, it's absolutely unique to DC. During this election year, they should be particularly creative!
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Old Mar 9th, 2004, 12:40 PM
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I highly recommend Jaleo for Sunday. It's only a couple of blocks from the Spy Museum. They serve Spanish Tapas in a fun and lively atmosphere.

My only other recommendation would be to review your itinerary and consider grouping things that are close together on the same day. This way you're not crisscrossing town each day. One example is the Holocaust Museum and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing--they are almost next door to one another. I would also consider stopping by the National Gallery of Art on Monday if time permits--since you'll be right across the street at the Sculpture Garden.
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I think you are trying to see alot, and will probably need to be flexible on your siteseeing.

I would suggest the Air and Space Museum will be a big hit and you could probably spend most of the day there.

The Holocaust Museum is ALOT to take in and will take several hours alone, and will need alot of explaining to your boys. Some might be too graphic, but it be a good experience for them.

I would also include the Memorials to Vietnam and Korea and see the WWII. And of course the Jefferson, and Lincoln Memorials as well.

You won't have problems finding good restaurants especially in Georgetown.

Also most of the museums have cafes for a quick bite.

Enjoy your trip.
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The Barcelo is very well situated for dining -- within several blocks are dozens of choices in all price ranges and numerous cuisines. Just stroll around, along P Street and up Conn. Ave. especially, and see what looks good to you.
Metrobuses on P St will take you to the main gate of GU. Your hotel staff will be able to direct you to the right bus stop.
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On Sunday, you can skip the Old Post Office--its become very rundown--the view will be better from the Washington Monument (that would be a good thing to do on Sunday because your Monday is very ambitious); also, I would add the FDR Memorial which is very interesting and I think your boys would like. It is walkable from the Jefferson and the Holocaust Museum. As for your Capitol tour, you sound organized so I assume you have arranged the tickets with your Member of Congress or your Senator (the procedures changed very recently);
as for going to the game, it is probably just as easy to drive.
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I agree that it's busy but doable.

You don't mention the National Gallery or the American History Museum. Depending on your family's interests, you might want to consider those (though I don't know how you'd squeeze them in). The American History Museum is where the old American flag is.

Union Station, which is worth a short visit because it's so beautiful, is pretty close to the Capitol/Supreme Court. It has a HUGE food court, and some of the places have healthful food, and there are quite a few ethnic selections.

There's one Metro stop on the mall, I think by the American History Museum. After visiting the Holocaust Museum, you could take the Metro to Union Station (the stop is right in that building). We took the Metro whenever we could to save our feet.

As I recall, all of the Smithsonian museums stay open until 5:30, but the International Spy Museum is open later in the evening, if you want to plan something for later in the day. Most of them open at 10 am (that will make timing on Tuesday kind of tight, to visit the Holocaust Museum, eat lunch and be up at the Capitol for a 2 pm tour)

As there is such a wealth of things to see in D.C., one thing we did for our family visit last year was to select several "must-sees" in each museum. As a result, we spent most of the day in the Air and Space Museum (kids and adults really loved this one), but visited the Natural History Museum only to see the Gems display. We spent several hours in the National Gallery (art buffs here), and my son could have spent ALL DAY in the international Spy Museum. Pace yourself in that museum. Most people got so caught up in the interactive displays on the upper level (you start at the top and work your way down), that they seemed a bit tired out by the time they got to the lower levels. The gift shop/bookstore looked like it had a lot of good books about spies and spying.

On the day we visited the Air and Space Museum and the Sculpture Garden, we took a picnic lunch with us and ate outside. It was a nice change of pace.

In Dupont Circle, we had a great and relaxing French dinner at Bistro du Coin. We had a more formal meal at Etrusco (Italian). My kids' favorite, however, was our Ethiopian dinner at Meskareem, in Adams Morgan.

We didn't tour the monuments on a tour, so I don't know what they're like. Do you get off the bus and visit? I would say the Lincoln Memorial, while striking by moolight, deserves a visit into the portico, to see Lincoln's statue. We visited the FDR memorial in the evening, and it was entrancing, with the water and lighting.
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You can purchase tickets in advance for Holocaust Museum, as I think you can for Washington Monument as well. But even if you got into the Holocaust Museum at it's 10am opening, I don't think you really to it nor yourself justice if you have to be at the Capitol by 2pm. We loved "Shear Madness, but I agree that Capital Steps would be of more local flavor. It's certainly an ambitious itinerary!
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I think that the advice to skip the Old Post Office because the view is better from the Washington Monument may not be so great at the moment. In fact, I'm not sure I'd even recommend taking the time to go up the Monument (as opposed to enjoying its magnificence from the outside)on as tight a schedule as yours. According to recent stories in the Washington Post, much of the already sparse window area at the top of the Monument is currently blocked by security cameras, causing long waits for actual viewing time and frustration among visitors.

There is usually little or no wait for the elevator to the top of the Old Post Office. The view is very good even if not nearly as high as the Momument (after all, there are other buildings of comparable height to those two and the Capitol in the city to block what you can see) and the viewing area is plentiful. Your sons will really like the elevator ride, which is glass-enclosed and features a great view from the top of the enormous atrium of the Post Office building. And the accurate comments, above, about the large food court at Union Station also apply to the one at the Post Office, so it would be a good place also to combine an attraction with a meal in one spot.

I think that you have received a number of pieces of very good advice above to which I'd add my support: your Sunday is light and your Monday too full; eat at Jaleo; give the Holocaust Musenum a good deal of time and don't try to do it in the morning with a 2 PM tour of the Capitol to get to; Capitol Steps over Shear Madness; see the Monuments at night (don't forget to look for JFK's eternal flame across the river from inside the Lincoln Memorial and whether by day or night, don't miss the FDR Memorial.
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That should have been NO buildings of comparable height to the Monument, Capitol and Old Post Office to block the view. And I have no idea where that winking smiley came from. He's definitely not there to react to JFK's eternal flame--the was supposed to be a parenthesis.
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Thank you all for your informative replies.

I tweaked our itinerary a little in response to your comments and because my 17-year old decided he wants to go to an Information Session and do a campus tour of Georgetown U on Saturday. I wish I could find more time for the Holocaust Museum, but I'm just not seeing how. (I thought it would be better to keep it on a weekday?) Now our schedule looks like this:

Saturday:

Georgetown U Info Session & Campus Tour
Sightseeing & Lunch in Georgetown
Georgetown U lacrosse game
Monuments by Moonlight tour

Sunday:
Washington Monument
Bus Tour
Ford's Theater
Old Post Office
National Archives
International Spy Museum

Monday
Bureau of E&P (maybe)
Museum of Natural History
Air & Space Museum
American History Museum
National Gallery (maybe)
Hirshhorn Sculpture Garden (maybe)

Tuesday
Holocaust Museum
Capitol Tour @2pm
Supreme Court
Library of Congress

Anonymous: I plan on getting Spy Museum and Washington Monument tickets ahead of time. My senator and congressman couldn't help me out for the BEP, so we'll just see if we can get a ticket first thing Monday. We'll have to do the same for the Holocaust Museum on Tuesday (can only book tickets for later in the day).

d: Jaleo sounds like something we would all enjoy; we're planning on it for Sunday night.

catsonthemove: I found out my husband has seen the Capitol Steps before and shares your opinion. They're only playing the night we arrive so we'll have to pass.

wantsomesun & marymarra: It's my understanding that the Monuments by Moonlight tour stops at most of the monuments. I want to see them all and I think that riding a bus between them will make it more enjoyable for my youngest!

kayd: I still have to find out about parking at Georgetown U; if we have to take the bus, it's good to know it's nearby.

Lexma90: If time permits, we'll check out Union Station as a stop on our trolley tour. I'm thinking an early lunch there might work on Sunday. Thanks for the Dupont Circle dining tips.

rb traveler: Even if we can only spend 2-2 1/2 hours at the Holocaust Museum, don't you think it would be worth the experience? I can see that we are trying to do a lot...we'll try to keep up a pretty good pace, but if we can't take it any more, we'll rest!

john charles: I'm keeping the Old Post Office on my list. My youngest son conquered his fear of heights at St. Peter's in Rome. Now he wants to go to the top of everything. I'm going to get advance tickets for an early a.m. time for Washington Monument so I hope we won't be stuck in long lines. Can you tell me if crowds are overwhelming the week before the start of the Cherry Blossom Festival?







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MONDAY - skip Engraving and Printing - it's overrated. Consider Jaleo http://www.jaleo.com/ If you stay on the Mall, The Nat'l Galllery of Art's 4 restaurants are the best food on the Mall (I know it's not on your list - just go to eat) http://www.nga.gov/ginfo/cafes.htm Otherwise, bring a picnic (ask hotel for ideas).

TUESDAY - consider walking the neighborhood between L.O.C. and Eastern Market (scenic) and having lunch at Eastern Market. While Penn. Ave between Capitol bldg and Eastern Market also has many restaurants, it's not as quaint as the residential areas. You can go to the Eastern Market Metro (Penn&7th) to get back to hotel.

http://www.easternmarket.net/

For evening entertainment, there are many movies close by. Shear Madness would be the last thing on my list - tourist trap. Capitol Steps is a better bet. There's SO much more. Start here -
choose a category, then "Dupont" for area: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...uide/?nav=left

Here are two list of restauants I culled from earlier posts. Some of the very best ones are within 1 block of (or at!) your hotel. The first is the "dupont - mostly inexpensive" and the second is "best of dupont"

"dupont - mostly inexpensive":
Message: None of these places need a reservation unless noted otherwise.

Pizzeria Paradiso - 2029 P St., NW

Johnny's Half Shell - "Don't Miss!"
Moderate. Get a 1/2 a po' boy (lunch only) and some gumbo. Don't skip the gumbo. Reservation needed at dinner (more expensive) but not at lunch. Here's website: http://www.johnnyshalfshell.net

Teaism - 2009 R St. NW Inexpensive. Best breakfast. Also good for lunch.

Brickskeller - 1523 22nd St. NW Inexpensive. Saloon type food, also has ENORMOUS beer selection. Your two sons will be fine here if it's not after 8pm.

Cafe Luna - 1633 P St. NW
Inexpensive - pastas, salads and more.

Carvan Grill - 1825 18th St. NW
Inexpensive - persian

Julia's Empanadas - 1221 Connecticut Ave. NW GREAT!
Very inexpensve.

Cafe Citron - 1343 Connecticut Ave.,
Inexpensive - Bolivian
Don't go at night (crowded nighclub)

Skewers 1633 P St. NW
Inexpensive - Middle Eastern

Bacchus - 1827 Jefferson Pl. NW
Lebonese - Moderate



Here's the "best of dupont" - these places will likely need a reservation between 7-9pm, especially weekends
"best of dupont":
Johnny's Half Shell - 2002 P St., NW 202-296-2021

Obelisk - 2029 P Street, NW 202-872-1180

Pesce Trattoria - 2016 P Street NW 202-466-3474

Gabriel - 2121 P Street, NW 202-956-6690

Bistro du Coin - 1738 Connecticut Ave., NW 202-234-6969

Cafe Odeon 1714 Conn. Ave., NW 202- 328-6228

Tabard Inn - 1739 N St., NW 202-785-1277


Iron Gate Inn - 1734 N St., NW 202-737-1370

Firefly - 1310 New Hampshire Ave., NW 202-296-7600

Komi 1509 17th St NW 202-332-9200

Vidalia - 1990 M Street, NW 202-659-1990 (just south of Dupont, actually downtown)


Here's the master list of Dupont area eats. Click on the places your interested in, then click on "map" to get the restaurants location on a map.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nt&option=4000


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Thanks, Bardo, for all your advice. I'm sorry we're not staying more days so we could try out more of your restaurant suggestions!
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Did you know that the National Archives has moved out to Maryland? I don't know what if anything is still at the DC site in the city.
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The National Archives has recently renovated its building in downtown Washington, developing an exhibit called "The National Archives Experience" and this is one of the most worthwhile places to visit! Declaration of Independence, etc. In fact, it even has evening hours.
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Thanks for that information. I have researched extensively for work at the MD site and didn't know what was going on with the DC site. Can you tell me what else is at the DC NA site now other than the Dec. of Ind -- thanks for the information?
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Thanks for the heads up on the National Archives. I found a great map with rotunda hours at www.archives.gov.
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The new National Archives building in Maryland is primarily for storage of government records and for use by researchers. The historic documents you will want to see (Declaration, Constitution, etc.) are still at the original building in the District.
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National Archives has always maintained a site in Maryland but it's primarily a storage site. There's never been enough room downtown. It's located on the federal reservation in Suitland along with a number of other government agencies and not far from andrews Air Force Base.
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Over near the Capitol grounds, you might find the Library of Congress to be interesting -- It's turned into one of my fav places to show visitors. I also adore the Folger Shakespeare Library. The docents give a terrific (free as is most everything in DC but the Spy Museum, which is a private not government venture) tour and just getting to see the very cool Elizabethean theater recreated there is worth stopping by.
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