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Old Aug 13th, 2003, 11:09 PM
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Getting Married in NY

I'm from Scotland and next year will be visiting New York for the first time and planning to get married there too.

Original idea was a ceremony in Central Park but any other suggestions ? Any advise on NY, weather, the park, hotel's near the park would be greatly appreciated ! Not much info in the UK on this.
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Congratulations! Central Park is a great place to get married. Good months weatherwise would be April through mid-October. I would avoid July and August as they could be very hot. June and October are very popular months for weddings, so if you want to book a hotel in New York for a reception, start looking right now; mamy are booked up to two years in advance.

Central Park has a website: www.centralparknyc.org. If you click on weddings on the left, you will get lots of information on where and how you can be married in the park. I have reprinted some of it below. You can also call the Park at 1- 212-360-2766, Monday ? Friday for further information:
"Central Park's 843 acres offer many romantic and idyllic locations for wedding ceremonies and photography. While the most popular venue is the Conservatory Garden (see details below), other popular places include Bethesda Terrace, Cherry Hill, Bow Bridge, Shakespeare Garden, East Green, Cedar Hill, the Mall, Hernshead, the 100th Street Pool, and the Harlem Meer. With the exception of the Conservatory Garden, ceremonies and photo sessions held in Central Park require a permit only if the participants number more than 20. For information regarding permits, please call City of New York/Parks & Recreation at 212-408-0226.
Ceremonies and photography sessions require permits from the Central Park Conservancy. Permit fees go directly toward maintenance and horticulture in the Conservatory Garden. Print out and complete the application form by clicking on the "Wedding Application" link at the end of this entry. Please enclose money order payable to Central Park Conservancy and return by mail. Your date will be reserved immediately, providing there is no conflict with a previously reserved party. If a conflict exists, we will notify you so that you may choose another date/time. A permit will be mailed to you a month before your date confirming the event.
Permit fee is $300.00; there is a cancellation fee of $75. There is an additional fee of $50 for photography (see below). Date, time (one hour maximum), and location within the Garden must be reserved. Parties are limited to 100 people. Use of the lawn is prohibited to all visitors (see exception for wedding photography below), including participants and attendees of wedding ceremonies. The following are also prohibited: receptions; thrown rice, birdseed, flowers, and confetti; alcohol, chairs, rugs, runners, and tents; amplified music and/or speakers..
Wedding Photography: Non-refundable permit fee is $50.00. Date and time (half-hour) must be reserved. Parties may use the lawn for one-half hour only, and are limited to the couple, parents, and attendants totaling no more than 25 people. In case of rain, you may reserve another date. "
I believe you will also need to have a civil marriage license from the City of New York in order to have a legal marriage that will be recognized in both the US and abroad. You should probably call the number for Central Park above. If you do, call the City Clerk of New York as indicated below.

General information on marriage requirements for a marriage ceremony to be held in the City of New York are below. This information is from the website for the New York City Convention and Visitors Bureau at www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm::

"Both the man and the woman must appear in person at one of the borough offices of the City Clerk of New York, bringing proof of identification (either original or certified copies of passport, driver's license or non-driver ID, military ID, visa or green card) and a money order payable to the "City Clerk of New York" for $30. No cash or personal checks will be accepted.

All documents must be in English or accompanied by a certified English translation. If either person was married before, he or she must name the earlier spouse together with the date and place that the marriage was dissolved. The papers will be prepared while you are in the office. You must wait 24 hours before getting married, and the license is good for 60 days. If the marriage does not take place within 60 days the license expires and another license must be obtained. The license can only be used in the State of New York.

The marriage ceremony itself costs $25 (money order only payable to the "City Clerk of New York") and takes place at City Hall, no appointment needed except at the Staten Island office. You should have one witness unless one of the applicants is under 18, in which case both parents should also be present."

City Clerk of New York in Manhattan: Municipal Building (south side),1 Centre Street, 2nd floor, NY 10007, 212669-2400, 212/669-8195; hours: 8:30am-4pm.

Finally, as you are a UK citizen, you should check with your own country's rules about marriage performed abroad. Virtually all countries recognize marriages performed abroad, as long as the marriage was preformed in accordance with the laws of the country in which it was preformed. You should contact your Home Secretary's office or the equivalent.


For weather information, go to weathbase.com and worlclimate.com. For sunrise and sunset details, go to sunrsise.sunset.com

Hotels across the street from on near Central Park include

The Plaza
Fifth Ave at Central Park South
The Sherry Netherland Hotel
781 Fifth Avenue,
(at about 75th Street) slh.com/sherryneth
Stanhope Park Hyatt
995 Fifth Avenue
(at 82nd Street)
stanhopepark.hyatt.com

The Mark
Madison Avenue at East 77th Street
New York 10021
(about 2 blocks from the 82nd Street entrance to the Park)
SLH Website: www.slh.com/mark

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Cicerone - Thanks so much for that. Really useful for us.

Since the guys at the wedding will be wearing kilts wanted to make sure they wouldn't be too cold !

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to spend a nice evening in NY for a mixed wedding party of about 20 people ? A meal and then maybe something different to round of the day ?
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You didn't say when you are coming. This may significantly impact the feasbility of a Central Park wedding, both in terms of the weather, and availability of locations, ministers, etc.

The weather in May, June or September would be optimal. However, those are prime wedding months which means you may start running into scheduling and availability issues for locations like the Central Park Boathouse.

Having had my own NYC wedding, I'd strongly suggest you start trying to firm up details as early as possible. I'd also suggest that you be a bit flexible and build in a contingency plan, like a restaurant for a reception, that could handle the ceremony if the weather is awful.

If you were planning a reception, post-ceremony, there are plenty of good options on either side of the Park. If you were having a large wedding, say 100 people or more, you have fewer options and those you DEFINATELY need to start looking into as soon as possible. (It's not uncommon for those places to be locked up a year ahead of time in the Spring.)

If you have some ideas about budget and number of guests, I can suggest a few restaurants, etc. (My wife literally looked as every option in NYC!)
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Planning on the wedding in April or May 2005 (sorry I said earlier next year). I guess we will have approx 20 - 30 people coming over from Scotland for the wedding. I like the idea of central park but was concerned about the weather. I thought of booking through a tour op which would give us some kind of back up in case things went wrong. Tour op don't really give you much info on what you can do after the ceremony. Would like to take our guests out for a meal somewhere nice, possibly with a private room or maybe a restaurant with dancing later on.

Appreciate your guys help, not easy planning this from Scotland having never even seen NY !

Are the hotels round Central Park expensive ?
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JSJ -- Congratulations! You've gotten some great advice here. I just want to add that the Conservancy Gardens are absolutely beautiful, especially in the spring. They are also relatively undiscovered, as lots of New Yorkers don't even know about them. That means that you may have them almost to yourself.

To answer your last question, yes, the hotels around Central Park tend to be quite expensive. I have a suggestion, though: The Hotel Wales at 92nd & Madison Ave. This is a good location if you marry in the Conservancy Gardens since they are located at around 105th & 5th Ave.

There are some nice, small restaurants around there. The hotel might be able to suggest one that could accommodate your group, but I can't think of any that offer dancing.

Another idea might be to head from the Conservancy Gardens to the Metropolitan Museum for drinks on the mezzanine where a quintet plays in the early evening. The Central Park Boathouse is another great idea. They don't have dancing, but it's a lovely venue overlooking a small lake in Central Park and the food is very good. A very elegant setting. Perhaps you could hire hansom cabs (horse & driver) to take guests down there.
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The Boathouse in Central Park is a popular venue for weddings. The Stanhope Hotel (now a Park Hyatt) is where I had my NY wedding. It's across from the Metropolitan Museum & Central Park at 81 St on Fifth Ave. They have a suite on the top floor which they rent for events. It's really elegant with a wrap around terrace with a great view of Manhattan, the museum & Central Park. I believe it could accomodate a sit down meal for 30 (or you can have a buffet or just cocktails & hors d'oevres).

Tavern on the Green is IN Central Park & is another popuar place for weddings with private rooms.

I would say DON'T use a tour operator (potential rip off) for planning but you might want to consider a wedding planner based in NY since you're doing this long distance.

If you're really looking to do this on a budget, I'd suggest joining Zagat.com which is THE restaurant guide for NY. They have separate listngs for places with private rooms. There are also special books you can buy that list venues for weddings.

Another idea is to do this on a yacht. Here's a website I found with info.

http://www.newyorkmetroweddings.com/loci-yachts.html

It will also lead you to lots of other info.

Hope this gives you a good start.

FYI-info on Scottish weddings & traditions

http://www.siliconglen.com/culture/weddings.html
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Old Aug 14th, 2003, 12:51 PM
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Guys, Great advice and given us so much to look at. This wedding planning in another country isn't easy and I'm glad I've started so quickly.

Mclaurie - Checked out The Stanhope Hotel and it looks beautiful, will contact them for some rates.


What type of hotel rate is "reasonable in NYC" Looking for somewhere special for ourselves but also somewhere middle of the range for some of the guest flying over from the UK


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"Reasonable" can be $75-140/night through bidding on Priceline for a 4* hotel or $120-160/night for a 3-4* through a website like Quikbooks.com. If you wind up having the reception at a hotel, they may offer a discount rate for your guests. You should wait to see where you'll be staying before suggesting a place for guests. One hotel that everyone seems to like is the Gorham. It's in midtown & the rooms are large & have small kitchen facilities. If you do a text search here (NY AND Gorham) you'll see lots of good reviews.
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JSJ - another Scot getting married in NYC! We will be married there on 23 December in the Plaza. Only 6 other people in our party though. We hired a wedding co-ordinator who is based in New York, who has liaised with the hotel, found us an "officiant", a photographer and a florist (www.timelessevents.com). Having said that, you can do quite a lot on the internet. I can recommend some of the websites that others have suggested (nycvisit, nymetroweddings etc). There are also some wedding organisers, like Kuoni, based in the UK who do ceremonies in Central Park (do an internet search on weddings in central park and they should come up). Given that you have almost 2 years till the big day, it would be worth your while visiting New York to check on your options. Hotels near the park are expensive but deals can be found, both on the web (expedia, netflights) and via travel agents. Only Continental fly direct to NYC from Glasgow, but if you are willing to change you can get a good deal.
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I also highly recommend hiring a wedding planner for a destination wedding. If you decide to book the wedding and reception at a hotel, the in house event planner comes as a freebie (well, you will pay through the nose for the catering).

The bad news is prime wedding and reception spots in NYC book up 18-24 months in advance. The good news is that your wedding party is small enough that you can be fit in to almost any location.

While the priceline suggestion is smart, you take the chance of high occupancy in the spring and your wedding guests being spread out in hotels all over the place. Priceline will only let you book 4 rooms at a time.

Good luck to you and you have gotten some great advice!
 
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I would contact the Tavern On The Green for all of your wedding arrangements. It's a beautiful place for a wedding anytime of the year.
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Is (are?) the Cloisters a possibility?
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My wife and I are based in the UK and were married in NYC on March 16 2001. If you need any advice or details [minister - ours was fantastic, venues, hotels, restaurants, limos etc] please contact me via mail [[email protected]].

Congratulations, you will have a wonderful day.

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Have to disagree with Tavern on the Green as a wedding venue. We just got married in NYC this past May, and over the course of a year of planning, one thing I heard from virtually everyone I talked to, including a fair representation of other women planning their weddings here, is that TotG's food quality leaves a *lot* to be desired. It may be the quintessential "New York spot," but it's not great for weddings.

You might want to check on the message boards at weddingchannel.com and theknot.com; they have local boards for New York weddings and people have *lots* of good info there.
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This is the most fun thread I have seen on the US site! If I were you, I would shamelessly promote your Scottish heritage, as you will find Scottish and Celtic societies all over New York who may be able to help you, or may have facilities you can use. Two I found on a quick web search are:

http://www.cnyscots.com/standrew.html ? St Andrews Society of Central New York

http://www.nycaledonian.org/about.php ? New York Calendonian Organization

Also, if you our your finance or any friend or relative is a member of a private club or university alumni club in the UK, you may be able to get reciprocal rights to use the facilities and guest rooms of clubs in New York. These private clubs and university alumni clubs would offer very competitive prices and would be cheaper than a hotel banquet room. These clubs have great food and some have guest rooms You could have the dinner at a club after your ceremony in Central Park, and if it rains on your day, you could probably also arrange to have the ceremony in the banquet room.

New York Athletic Club at 180 Central Park South (near the Plaza Hotel). They have banquet facilities and 200 guest rooms I could not find any information on reciprocal clubs or universities, you might contact them directly. Website is nyac.org.

Metropolitan Club at 1 East 60TH STREET (on Central Park)
This is a very exclusive club, but if someone you know belongs to the St James Club in London or several other clubs in the UK, they have reciprocity with the Metropolitan Club. It is in a simply gorgeous beaux arts building right across the street from the 6oth Street entrance to Central Park.

Penn Club at 30 West 44th Street (at corner of 6th Ave)
For alumni of the University of Pennsylvania. They have banquet facilities and 39 guest rooms. I could not find any information on reciprocal clubs or universities, you might contact them directly. Website is www.pennclub.com. The Canadian Club of New York uses their facilities, and you can become a member of the Canadian Club as a UK citizen. Go to www.canadianclubny.org for information on the Canadian Club and membership in the Canadian Club

Yale Club at 50 Vanderbilt Avenue
They actually have a special wedding section on their website. They have 140 guestrooms and banquet facilities, including a roof top for weddings and receptions. I could not find any information on reciprocal clubs or universities, you might contact them directly. Website is www.yaleclubnyc.com.

Princeton Club 15 West 43rd Street (between 5th and 6th Ave)
This club has reciprocal arrangements with a number of London clubs. Has 49 guestrooms. Website is www.princetonclub.com

Cornell Club at 6 East 44th Street (between 5th Ave and Madison Ave)
For graduates of Cornell University and affiliated clubs, including the Overseas House in Edinburgh. They have 49 guestrooms and banquet facilities. Website is www.cornellclubnyc.com
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Cicerone that IS a good idea. I can add the University Club and the Harvard Club to the list.

I noticed on the Caledonian website there are some big events in April including a parade.
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JSJ -- adding to Cicerone's idea, I got a Scottish bagpiper for my wedding through the St. Andrew's society. Just call them up and ask them for a referral. I think I paid the guy $150 to do it and it was one of the best parts of the day! Honestly, I think he would have played for beer. . . .
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lisettemac, I agree with you that the Conservatory Gardens are very beautiful, but must disagree that they are undiscovered. I was married there this past May and all three gardens were pretty crowded and there were multiple weddings going on.

JSJ, I think May in the Conservatory Gardens would be great. The flowers will be in full bloom and the trees and surrounding buildings provide a nice backdrop. It is also a cheap way to get married in the city as it is only $350 for permits. However, there are two possible concerns: rain and crowds. If it rained, we were going to have the ceremony in the restaurant where the reception was to be. If it is raining lightly, there is a row of trees that would provide enough cover. As for other people in the park, at first I was not thrilled about it but once I got to the park, they didn't bother me at all and everyone was nice enough to move if we asked. In the end, I actually liked that it was out in public and felt it gave a real NY feel to it.
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Thanks so much for all the great advice:- I've been looking up websites everyday on Tavern on the Green and some of the other hotels that you have mentioned and trying to get some information.

I've also contacted and received some brochures from tour operators. They seem a total rip-off. They are quoting approx £1200 - £1500 for basically a ceremony, certificate, 20 mintues horse and carriage ride and a bouqet and button hole. Seems very basic to me and certainly not worth it. So I'm going to start looking on my own and contact a wedding planner in NY.

Cicerone, great idea about the scottish societies in NY, will contact them today. It is a great thread, I work for a huge company in Scotland and about everyone who works here is now logging on daily for a NY update !

Ardbroilach - Good luck for your wedding day, seems like you have it all organised and that's great. The Plaza will be a wonderful place for your wedding, I've had a look at profiles for it and it looks stunning.

Dean - Thanks for the offer, I'll send you an email today.

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