More days in Colmar or Lucerne?
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More days in Colmar or Lucerne?
Hi everyone,
We are planning a trip. We are going to be in Zurich for 3 days we can’t cut this part shorter, and then the Interlaken area for 4 days, and then Lucerne for 2. Then we are going to Colmar and then Paris. We are trying to decide if we should go to Colmar for 1 day or 2. I have heard that there are surrounding towns like Riquewihr. Based on our schedule, if we go to Colmar for 2 days, we have to remove a day from Lucerne and go to Lucerne for only 1 day. What do you recommend, 1 or 2 days in Colmar?
We are planning a trip. We are going to be in Zurich for 3 days we can’t cut this part shorter, and then the Interlaken area for 4 days, and then Lucerne for 2. Then we are going to Colmar and then Paris. We are trying to decide if we should go to Colmar for 1 day or 2. I have heard that there are surrounding towns like Riquewihr. Based on our schedule, if we go to Colmar for 2 days, we have to remove a day from Lucerne and go to Lucerne for only 1 day. What do you recommend, 1 or 2 days in Colmar?
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If you are driving, then it's easy enough to pass through several small beautiful villages before heading to Paris. They are such small places so close to each other, that you could hit several. Of course, if you don't want to do that, by all means stay the extra night. Some folks might spend weeks in this area, so it's not like there is a dearth of sites to visit.
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Instead of a day in Riquewehr, stay there in that charming town on the wine route . Do a day trip to Colmar.
If you do stay inColmar, visit the wine route and Strasbourg.
Lucerne gives you many possibilities around the lake, in the mountains. Beautiful.
If you do stay inColmar, visit the wine route and Strasbourg.
Lucerne gives you many possibilities around the lake, in the mountains. Beautiful.
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My father in law's stroke in July 2019, and 2 years of Covid have required that we cancel & reschedule 3 trips to the Colmar/Alsace area. Our 4th try is this September. We'll be there for 2 weeks and this is our second multi-week trip to Alsace. The last one was in southern Alsace and this upcoming one is in Northern Alsace. So I kinda "lurch" at someone who asks about 1 or 2 days there. We have a full schedule for about 10 days.
The "pg" refers to the page number for the site in the Michelin Green Guide. The stars represent the Michelin Green Guide ratingAlsace
Gite in Kertzfeld near Benfeld
Wine towns & sites close to Gite
Andlau* Pg 267
Obernai** pg 280
Selestat* 2 hr visit pg 286 Birds of prey show
Haute Koenigsbourg** pg 274 1 hr 9:15-6
Mittelhergheim pg 275
Barr pg 319
Ottrott pg 276
Rosheim* pg 283
Trip 1 Sunday
North Hohwald** Pg 275
Champ du Feu** pg 277
Le Struthof** WWII memorial pg 285 9-5, Memorial d'Alsace* 10-6 Cl M
Mont Ste Odile** pg 284
Trip 2 Monday
Molsheim* pg 278
Market day
Musee de la Chartreuse 10-12 2-6 Cl Tu
Trip 3 Tuesday
Visit some nearby route du vins villages
Trip 4 Wednesday
Strasbourg*** pg 252 Not M or Tu
pick up train in Benfeld - 2 mins away. Trains leave hourly for 22 min trip
Musee des Arts Decoratifs* pg 261 12-6, weekends 10-6, Cl Tu
Musee Alsacien* pg 262 10-6 Cl M
Trip 5
Colmar** pg 292 32 mins from Gite
Trip 6 yellow highlighted route on Michelin map
Val d'Orbey** pg 212 4 hrs
Trip 7 orange Route
Val de Munster** abbreviated pg 209 3 hrs
Route des Cretes*** pg 201
La Bresse - Hohneck Col de la Schlucht*** pg 206 2 ½ hrs
Trip 8
Basel***
Many train departures every hour from Selestat. 1 hr trip
Trip 9
Mulhouse** pg 325 55 mins by car. Not M or Tu
National Museum of Old Automobiles*** 10-5
Museum of trains ***
Museum of printed fabric* 10-12 206 Cl M
Museum of wallpaper* 10-12 2-6
History Museum** pg 330 10-12 2-6 Cl Tu
Walking tour pg 329
Ecomusee d'Alsace** pg 333 10-6. Just a bit north of Mulhouse.
If you plan on visiting most of the Mulhouse museums & Ecomusee - this is probably 2 trips
Trip 10 (do last)
Metz***
Depart Strasbourg 12:29 arrive 1:24
Return 5:00 arrive 5:53
Trip 11
Frieburg** in Germany 1 hr 6 mins by car from Gite
Markets
Benfeld M, & Sat regional market
Andlau W
Barr Sa
Obernai Th
Molsheim Mo
Selestat Sat, Tu
End of this upcoming itinerary
Attached is a write up from our first trip to Alsace.
Stu Dudley
Stu Dudley
The "pg" refers to the page number for the site in the Michelin Green Guide. The stars represent the Michelin Green Guide ratingAlsace
Gite in Kertzfeld near Benfeld
Wine towns & sites close to Gite
Andlau* Pg 267
Obernai** pg 280
Selestat* 2 hr visit pg 286 Birds of prey show
Haute Koenigsbourg** pg 274 1 hr 9:15-6
Mittelhergheim pg 275
Barr pg 319
Ottrott pg 276
Rosheim* pg 283
Trip 1 Sunday
North Hohwald** Pg 275
Champ du Feu** pg 277
Le Struthof** WWII memorial pg 285 9-5, Memorial d'Alsace* 10-6 Cl M
Mont Ste Odile** pg 284
Trip 2 Monday
Molsheim* pg 278
Market day
Musee de la Chartreuse 10-12 2-6 Cl Tu
Trip 3 Tuesday
Visit some nearby route du vins villages
Trip 4 Wednesday
Strasbourg*** pg 252 Not M or Tu
pick up train in Benfeld - 2 mins away. Trains leave hourly for 22 min trip
Musee des Arts Decoratifs* pg 261 12-6, weekends 10-6, Cl Tu
Musee Alsacien* pg 262 10-6 Cl M
Trip 5
Colmar** pg 292 32 mins from Gite
Trip 6 yellow highlighted route on Michelin map
Val d'Orbey** pg 212 4 hrs
Trip 7 orange Route
Val de Munster** abbreviated pg 209 3 hrs
Route des Cretes*** pg 201
La Bresse - Hohneck Col de la Schlucht*** pg 206 2 ½ hrs
Trip 8
Basel***
Many train departures every hour from Selestat. 1 hr trip
Trip 9
Mulhouse** pg 325 55 mins by car. Not M or Tu
National Museum of Old Automobiles*** 10-5
Museum of trains ***
Museum of printed fabric* 10-12 206 Cl M
Museum of wallpaper* 10-12 2-6
History Museum** pg 330 10-12 2-6 Cl Tu
Walking tour pg 329
Ecomusee d'Alsace** pg 333 10-6. Just a bit north of Mulhouse.
If you plan on visiting most of the Mulhouse museums & Ecomusee - this is probably 2 trips
Trip 10 (do last)
Metz***
Depart Strasbourg 12:29 arrive 1:24
Return 5:00 arrive 5:53
Trip 11
Frieburg** in Germany 1 hr 6 mins by car from Gite
Markets
Benfeld M, & Sat regional market
Andlau W
Barr Sa
Obernai Th
Molsheim Mo
Selestat Sat, Tu
End of this upcoming itinerary
Attached is a write up from our first trip to Alsace.
Stu Dudley
Stu Dudley
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If you are going to southern Alsace then I would recommend staying in village along the Route du Vin. Of course you may have no interest in wine when just walk around the various interesting towns, but Eguisheim remains my go to place as it has retained its original structure and while, like many such places, makes money from tourism, it comes alive after 4pm and before 10am when the locals use the place. Colmar has a small old centre and then a lot of 'burbs. I'd visit it for the old centre but i'd not stay there.
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question for Stu or anyone else
we hope to do our first trip since covid to europe next April. we want to pick up our rental car in Paris and drive to the Somme area for a few nights then to the Reims area then to Alsace to end the trip, staying near Colmar. big question is can we get to an airport to fly back to north america on an afternoon flight without staying overnight at an airport. there are trains to CDG from Strasbourg but they leave around six am. we would need to drive to the train, drop off rental car etc. i see Lufthansa has an airport bus from Strasbourg to Frankfurt airport but that would probably not be an airline we would use. also how many nights in alsace? we love wine, hikes, historic sites.
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First, re Colmar, I too find it not that interesting, it is not really in the wine trade, it is in the tourist trade and all fine for that.
Of the others mentioned some are a bit wine-industrial and some are heavy on the walled town, half timbered place and I've stayed in a few over the years and I've found my balance, others find others. Eguisheim is great when the tourists leave town which is about 4pm, but it is hopeless during the busy day unless you have specific tasting bookings already made. Riquewehr is alsace a la Disney. Most of the rest are serious wine towns with a real focus on making wine.
If you don't know how to make your own bookings and equally don't speak french then I'd stick with Colmar as a base, having all that organised for you plus transport is a great way to go. Do try and have an evening walking in the vinyards or up in the hills as that can be fun too. The bright people get dropped at the top and walk down (just saying) or walk one village to another with an easy pick up at the second one.
How many nights, in the spring or autumn, I'd want one day in the hills, two days tasting and one day visiting fortifications down by the Rhine. But I've been here many times over 35 years. In winter I'd ski, taste wine and go to conferences (up in the old mine area they have great shows). In the summer, it gets too hot.
why so many tastings, well you have 7 varieties (well actually 8 as Pinot Blanc has a sub-variety called Auxerois), then you also have edelzwicker (what ever they want to mix together) and they come in fizz, dry and sweet including vendage tardive etc etc. Then you have some 50 pieces of terroir each with their own microclimates and as my Alsace friends say you have Protestants and Catholics. Catholics make more voluptious wines ;-) . So for example Roly Gassman (the sainted Pierre) offers roughly 50 different wines in his small shop, Materne Haegelin, another of my favorites, offer around 12. Doing a tasting is not something to be taken lightly.
Of the others mentioned some are a bit wine-industrial and some are heavy on the walled town, half timbered place and I've stayed in a few over the years and I've found my balance, others find others. Eguisheim is great when the tourists leave town which is about 4pm, but it is hopeless during the busy day unless you have specific tasting bookings already made. Riquewehr is alsace a la Disney. Most of the rest are serious wine towns with a real focus on making wine.
If you don't know how to make your own bookings and equally don't speak french then I'd stick with Colmar as a base, having all that organised for you plus transport is a great way to go. Do try and have an evening walking in the vinyards or up in the hills as that can be fun too. The bright people get dropped at the top and walk down (just saying) or walk one village to another with an easy pick up at the second one.
How many nights, in the spring or autumn, I'd want one day in the hills, two days tasting and one day visiting fortifications down by the Rhine. But I've been here many times over 35 years. In winter I'd ski, taste wine and go to conferences (up in the old mine area they have great shows). In the summer, it gets too hot.
why so many tastings, well you have 7 varieties (well actually 8 as Pinot Blanc has a sub-variety called Auxerois), then you also have edelzwicker (what ever they want to mix together) and they come in fizz, dry and sweet including vendage tardive etc etc. Then you have some 50 pieces of terroir each with their own microclimates and as my Alsace friends say you have Protestants and Catholics. Catholics make more voluptious wines ;-) . So for example Roly Gassman (the sainted Pierre) offers roughly 50 different wines in his small shop, Materne Haegelin, another of my favorites, offer around 12. Doing a tasting is not something to be taken lightly.
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We stayed in Ribeauville and daytripped to Colmar. I liked Colmar ok, but was very happy we stayed in a smaller town. I just found Colmar to be bigger, busier and just not as charming as the nearby villages or Strasbourg. There are a number of charming small villages in the area. I'd be happy to stay in any of them. Ribeauville was perfect for us. Large enough to have a nice selection of restaurants, shops and things going on, but small enough to easily get around.
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Since you're in the Interlaken area for four days I'd spend only one day in Lucerne. Take the extra day for Alsace. I also found Colmar "ordinary" and recommend staying somewhere else on the Route du Vin. By ordinary I mean a collection of modern suburbs surrounding an average old town. Nothing wrong with it, just cuter places elsewhere.
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