World Championship tension mounts for Saturday's big match..
Oct 16th, 2007, 12:46 PM
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Pat - you are completely correct
so let's see we have three teams from Belgium
several from France
4 from the U.K. (or do Druids also count as a nation?)
two from Holland
four from Switzerland
the point is all those nations within a state have to join one team - ubiquitously called the French or Belgian, etc. 'National' team
it just ain't fair that England, Scotland, Wales and especially Northern Eire which, under your definition of a nation would join with Eire Republic as apparently they do in rugby - U.K. gets four soccer team entries
so let's see we have three teams from Belgium
several from France
4 from the U.K. (or do Druids also count as a nation?)
two from Holland
four from Switzerland
the point is all those nations within a state have to join one team - ubiquitously called the French or Belgian, etc. 'National' team
it just ain't fair that England, Scotland, Wales and especially Northern Eire which, under your definition of a nation would join with Eire Republic as apparently they do in rugby - U.K. gets four soccer team entries
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:35 PM
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Can any one understand PalQ's bizarre determination to use a name for Ireland the Irish government regards as offensive?
I mean, bashing the English has long afforded innocent amusement to the world's lesser nations. But the Irish are supposed to be universal goodies. So why go out of your way to offend them?
And where's the unfairness to anything but British pride in the British Isles' quirky approach to national teams?
The minor nations never have a cat in hell's chance of winning the football, rugby or cricket world cups, or even getting into the last 4. So having three and (sometimes) a bit UK teams doesn't increase our chances of getting a cup.
But UK teams would have a far better chance if they added Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish talent to the limited English sides who regularly get close, but practically never get the cigar.
The current system practically guarantees British Isles teams never win anything (does anyone really believe the Saffers aren't going to bash us all over the place this week?)
And, because Wales regularly turns up to get knocked out, it adds one really outstanding national anthem to sporting events. What more (except ban 'Ireland's Call') could we possibly do to improve the gaiety of nations?
I mean, bashing the English has long afforded innocent amusement to the world's lesser nations. But the Irish are supposed to be universal goodies. So why go out of your way to offend them?
And where's the unfairness to anything but British pride in the British Isles' quirky approach to national teams?
The minor nations never have a cat in hell's chance of winning the football, rugby or cricket world cups, or even getting into the last 4. So having three and (sometimes) a bit UK teams doesn't increase our chances of getting a cup.
But UK teams would have a far better chance if they added Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish talent to the limited English sides who regularly get close, but practically never get the cigar.
The current system practically guarantees British Isles teams never win anything (does anyone really believe the Saffers aren't going to bash us all over the place this week?)
And, because Wales regularly turns up to get knocked out, it adds one really outstanding national anthem to sporting events. What more (except ban 'Ireland's Call') could we possibly do to improve the gaiety of nations?
Oct 16th, 2007, 10:37 PM
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Can any one understand PalQ's bizarre determination to use a name for Ireland the Irish government regards as offensive?
I mean, bashing the English has long afforded innocent amusement to the world's lesser nations. But the Irish are supposed to be universal goodies. So why go out of your way to offend them?
And where's the unfairness to anything but British pride in the British Isles' quirky approach to national teams?
The minor nations never have a cat in hell's chance of winning the football, rugby or cricket world cups, or even getting into the last 4. So having three and (sometimes) a bit UK teams doesn't increase our chances of getting a cup.
But UK teams would have a far better chance if they added Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish talent to the limited English sides who regularly get close, but practically never get the cigar.
The current system practically guarantees British Isles teams never win anything (does anyone really believe the Saffers aren't going to bash us all over the place this week?)
And, because Wales regularly turns up to get knocked out, it adds one really outstanding national anthem to sporting events.
What more (except ban 'Ireland's Call') could we possibly do to improve the gaiety of nations?
I mean, bashing the English has long afforded innocent amusement to the world's lesser nations. But the Irish are supposed to be universal goodies. So why go out of your way to offend them?
And where's the unfairness to anything but British pride in the British Isles' quirky approach to national teams?
The minor nations never have a cat in hell's chance of winning the football, rugby or cricket world cups, or even getting into the last 4. So having three and (sometimes) a bit UK teams doesn't increase our chances of getting a cup.
But UK teams would have a far better chance if they added Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish talent to the limited English sides who regularly get close, but practically never get the cigar.
The current system practically guarantees British Isles teams never win anything (does anyone really believe the Saffers aren't going to bash us all over the place this week?)
And, because Wales regularly turns up to get knocked out, it adds one really outstanding national anthem to sporting events.
What more (except ban 'Ireland's Call') could we possibly do to improve the gaiety of nations?
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:22 AM
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Flanner said:
"And, because Wales regularly turns up to get knocked out, it adds one really outstanding national anthem to sporting events"
Another typical example of the supercilious and patronising attitude the English have towards everyone else.
Its no wonder Wales, Scotland and Ireland will all be supporting South Africa this weekend.
Come on the Springboks !!!
Muck
"And, because Wales regularly turns up to get knocked out, it adds one really outstanding national anthem to sporting events"
Another typical example of the supercilious and patronising attitude the English have towards everyone else.
Its no wonder Wales, Scotland and Ireland will all be supporting South Africa this weekend.
Come on the Springboks !!!
Muck
Oct 17th, 2007, 01:23 AM
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So good, he said it twice.
What's "fairness" got to do with it anyway? All codified games impose relatively arbitrary limitations on what people can do to achieve victory over others. And what's fair about basing teams on varying populations and wealth, at one extreme, a country of 80 million or so, supporting professional players trained with all the latest scientific gizmos and mumbo-jumbo, at the other the Faroes, Andorra and San Marino, where they have to get time off from fishing or running the local garage?
And which is the more unfair: that in the former country, world-class players don't get to represent their country because there are so many eligible for the team, or that the latter country is always going to get hammered in the qualifying rounds?
What's "fairness" got to do with it anyway? All codified games impose relatively arbitrary limitations on what people can do to achieve victory over others. And what's fair about basing teams on varying populations and wealth, at one extreme, a country of 80 million or so, supporting professional players trained with all the latest scientific gizmos and mumbo-jumbo, at the other the Faroes, Andorra and San Marino, where they have to get time off from fishing or running the local garage?
And which is the more unfair: that in the former country, world-class players don't get to represent their country because there are so many eligible for the team, or that the latter country is always going to get hammered in the qualifying rounds?
Oct 17th, 2007, 02:26 AM
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"Another typical example of the supercilious and patronising attitude the English have towards everyone else."
Not remotely. Just another typical example of the supercilious and patronising attitude this Englishman has to the Welsh.
Whose perpetual whingeing and hypersensitivity prove me right every time.
Not remotely. Just another typical example of the supercilious and patronising attitude this Englishman has to the Welsh.
Whose perpetual whingeing and hypersensitivity prove me right every time.
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:24 AM
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I'm not sure why flanner thinks Eire is offensive to the Irish BUT "Eire Republic" is a bit ungrammatical and a mix of two languages.
But I think you know full well that the top tight bit of Ireland is not called "Northern Eire" and are tying to be mischievous, no?
But I think you know full well that the top tight bit of Ireland is not called "Northern Eire" and are tying to be mischievous, no?
Oct 17th, 2007, 06:34 AM
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"I have coins and stamps with the word EIRE blazoned on them. Enough said."
So read everything else that's on them. You can't because they're in Irish. One of the official languages of the Republic of Ireland.
Its other official language is English. And the official name for the Republic in English (says the country's constitution) is...Ireland.
Now there's a reason the Irish don't want patronising. They're proud of the marvellous literature Irishmen and Irishwomen have produced in English. They save all that "let's use a foreign name" claptrap for the dictators in Burma and Ivory Coast.
And if the Irish don't want patronising, I suggest you honour their wishes.
So read everything else that's on them. You can't because they're in Irish. One of the official languages of the Republic of Ireland.
Its other official language is English. And the official name for the Republic in English (says the country's constitution) is...Ireland.
Now there's a reason the Irish don't want patronising. They're proud of the marvellous literature Irishmen and Irishwomen have produced in English. They save all that "let's use a foreign name" claptrap for the dictators in Burma and Ivory Coast.
And if the Irish don't want patronising, I suggest you honour their wishes.
Oct 20th, 2007, 12:58 PM
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YES ! YES! YES !!
Well done S Africa and well done that Video monitoring 4th official.
(Was he Welsh?)
That decision was spot on !
England will whine about the try that was dissallowed for ever.
YES YES YES !!!
But fair play, Chwarae teg, England gave it their all.
Muck
Well done S Africa and well done that Video monitoring 4th official.
(Was he Welsh?)
That decision was spot on !
England will whine about the try that was dissallowed for ever.
YES YES YES !!!
But fair play, Chwarae teg, England gave it their all.
Muck
Oct 21st, 2007, 02:01 AM
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What does "Chwarae teg" mean, Muck?
I was struggling to celebrate, but my reaction on teh final whistle was simply relief. the lastw eek has been hell- another 4 years would have been unbearable. And South Africa played the better game.
What was wrong with Percy? (before he was shoved into that camera).
The referee was appalling, and it seemed to me it was mainly English penalties he missed. He seemed to pay as tho' the offside rule had been abolished.
I was struggling to celebrate, but my reaction on teh final whistle was simply relief. the lastw eek has been hell- another 4 years would have been unbearable. And South Africa played the better game.
What was wrong with Percy? (before he was shoved into that camera).
The referee was appalling, and it seemed to me it was mainly English penalties he missed. He seemed to pay as tho' the offside rule had been abolished.
Oct 21st, 2007, 03:44 AM
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Have I mentioned that it's a poof's game? Well done the South African moffies.
I didn't watch it - I was at a concert - but I did have to brave Camden Town full of rugger buggers. Nancies the lot of 'em.
Now it's back to real football, and for this afternoon only, formula one.
I didn't watch it - I was at a concert - but I did have to brave Camden Town full of rugger buggers. Nancies the lot of 'em.
Now it's back to real football, and for this afternoon only, formula one.
