The extra money that some people gladly pay is called "snob value."

Hmm. Three people fitting into two twins? How odd. I can't imagine spending a vacation that uncomfortable. I think the hotels (even the big chains) are much more aware of their guests than in the US as many of the hotels are quite small (even the big chains). You have to provide your passport to the desk of each hotel so you can be registered while you are in Europe. You have one person that will not be. Will that cause traveling problems later on? Perhaps at the airport?

You are travelling to a different country. Laws and rules are different there. What you are planning is considered defraud there. Full stop. If you cannot respect that, better stay at home.

I don't understand this distinction, that it is OK to steal from a large business if you don't feel their prices are fair.

Why not just stay at a hotel where you consider the prices fair and can afford a triple? There are plenty of good hotels to choose from where you can get a triple for 200-250 euros.

It says a lot that jsims considers honesty to be snobbery. Apparently in jsims and jsims' social circle, thievery is considered being "regular folks."

I'm really confused, jsims. You are willing to travel to Europe and spend $250-300 a night, but for some strange reason, don't want to put that money toward HONESTLY putting three to a room? You can do that quite comfortably for $250-300 and sleep well at night knowing that you don't have to sneak a third person in and out of the room every day. (Think about getting caught and kicked out!)

Contrary to your second post, French hotel rooms that accomodate three people are NOT rare. You just, for some reason, wish to play "college students on spring break" (what a feeble example to support your case, BTW) and sneak an extra person into your room.

So stop trying to turn this around and make honest people look like snobs. That's ludicrous. And, by the way, YOU ASKED!

Shame on you!

I think the point is that this is just dishonest, that's all. It would be fraud in the US, also, I think you would be violating a contract or something. It is the kind of thing poor college kids do.

Some people are just dishonest. If you think a hotel is charging too much for their rooms and that is a "rip off", then don't stay there. It is still their property and they are allowed to charge whatever they want for the service they are delivering. Following the ethics that you are allowed to steal (receive something valued higher than you are paying) things if you think they are overpriced, you could steal objects from a store as well as services. Services are priced, also. The hotel is providing something, they are providing room and shelter for 3 people versus 2.

Not to mention, possible complaints from others if a room is too noisy or crowded. I've done that myself, just last winter (in a large hotel in Lake Tahoe) -- and security came and did remove those people from the hotel, I saw them being marched down the hall. Now if they were quiet as a mouse, it's true, I wouldn't have known or complained, but people who think they can violate hotel standards, get free room and then be noisy (groups of people naturally are noisier, just because of the talking and other things) and bother other people deserve to get bounced out of the hotel.

Software license sales are another example of where one could argue that you aren't "hurting anyone" and the company isn't providing anything if you make illegal copies of their software. The fact that you are getting free use of something is something they are providing. An extra person getting a room in a hotel overnight is something the hotel is providing.

I still don't know how three adults are going to be sleeping in two twin beds, but perhaps I missed that (or do not want to go there).

While I think that the OP is a whiney little weasel who is sure to find his Karmic Comeuppance at the hands of an angry hotelier.

I have to say that I am impressed with the level of integrity of all the other posters! I wish you all clean, luxurious hotels rooms at excellent prices. May your coffees be hot, and your towels be fluffy.

I agree that this is dishonest.

I feel the same way about people taking an extra bread roll, some meat and a piece of fruit from the breakfast buffet to make themselves a free lunch.

Oh, LSky..fluffy towels is too much to ask for ;)

"We need 2 beds nothing extra. The hotel will not be inconvenienced in any way, shape or form."

That makes it OK? And that third person isn't going to be taking showers, brushing teeth, flushing the toilet?

I guess I'm just stupid, like all the other honest people here.

"The hotel is not going to be inconvenienced in any way."

The hotel might view your attempt to unilaterally decide the issue as something of an inconvenience.

On the other hand, it's possible they could not care less whether the occupants of a hotel room are legitimate. This includes whether the occupants of your room consist of two members of your party, three members of your party, or four thieves and a chain-saw wielding nutcase.

In other words, a hotel that doesn't have the kind of security or monitoring system to deter people from sneaking up to the room might be very inconvenient...for you.

Hey, jsims......admit it; if this were a court, you would be sitting in your cell waiting for your 4th appeal!!! Give it up; you made a poor moral decision.

Any one cares to comment on the airlines' policies to charge for the 1st bag? Blanket, water, air? Hotels are the same way so pay all you want folks, I on the other hand refuse to be a sucker...

Since you brought up the airlines, Do you plan to put that third person, who you said is an adult, on your lap and pay for only two people, since you'll use only two seats?

Geesh

I just checked the Sheraton properties in Paris. At Le Meridien Montparnasse, you can get an "oversize family room" with 2 double beds. The rate for 3 adults is 236 euro; the rate for the same room with 2 people is 196 euro.

So what are you getting for the extra 40 euro? Peace of mind. The legal right to have 3 people in that room. The knowledge that you won't get kicked out or accosted by authorities. The satisfaction of being honest (which apparently doesn't mean anything to you). Enough towels for everyone, no sharing necessary. The right to walk in the front door and through the lobby together, without anyone sneaking around. The knowledge that you are behaving like an adult, not a frat rat on spring break.

Are you a sucker to pay it? Not in my book. But maybe you look for ways to feel like a sucker.

Maybe the real sucker is the person who thinks he can get away with this. I assume you aren't going to Paris just for one night. Do you really think no one will notice the extra person coming and going for several days? The maids will see you in the hallway when you leave the room for breakfast. And they see all the extra luggage in the room (or maybe you are not bringing any luggage, because you feel like a sucker paying for one piece of luggage).

Maybe you could bring an empty suitcase with you and make off with the sheets, towels, lamps, etc.; since you don't want to "be a sucker".

It's just amazing that jsims thinks it's not OK to cheat a small hotel, but it IS OK to cheat a large chain. I just don't get that logic. And if you think they're ripping you off and you're a sucker to pay the extra fee for the third person, stay somewhere else!

I’ve been following this thread and I have to say that I think it’s useless trying to make this person see that what they’re trying to do is dishonest and wrong. He or she or they will do what they want to regardless of what anyone says. If they go ahead and do it anyway despite all the advise not too and they get caught they will just have to suffer the consequences and hopefully learn from it.

jdc

This reminds me of the story of the man who asked a woman in a bar if she would sleep with him for a million dollars.

When she agreed, he asked, "Would you sleep with me for $10?"

She indignantly replied, "NO! What do you think I am?"

He responded, "We have already established what you are; now we are negotiating over price."

jsims, if such a person exists, has establised what he is.

Have you thought of a small apartment. Some will rent for as few as 3-4 days.