Three Persons to a Room
 

Is it possible to put three people in the room in Paris without getting charged extra? All we need is two twin beds. How is the hotel going to find out anyway? Has anyone had this problem before?

What do you mean by "how is the hotel going to find out anyway?" How do you propose to maneuver around inside the hotel without the management knowing how many of you there are?

In a large hotel, it is very easy. In a small hotel, more complicated.

Frankly, anyone here who asks how to commit fraud against an establishment has the problem IMO

They'll know if it is a small hotel, sure.

Don't know how you are going to have three people in a bedroom with twin beds, unless two are small children. You are aware how very small many European hotel rooms can be, unless you are really spending a lot of money. I'm sure you aren't booking large, deluxe rooms or you wouldn't be asking this question.

Some hotels might not charge extra, but I've personally never seen one. All the hotels I've stayed at and regularly check (which are a lot, often to make suggestions on here) have different rates for double and triple rooms. Even ones that allow a small child in a double room often have a small charge for that third person, but it's often not too much for a baby cot (20 euro or so).

I think you can legally get kicked out of a hotel for doing that, if they find out.

Twin beds in Europe, particularly in France, are small. Not two double beds, but two singles, and in France very often short singles at that.
I can't see how or why you would want three people in twin beds.

As Dukey points out what you are suggesting is fraudulent, and if they did find out you could be in deep dooda.

Unless it's a huge hotel, they are going to notice an extra person coming and going thru the lobby.

Do you want three breakfasts for the price of two? And are you planning to cheat on the tax de sejour as well?

Rooms are very very small.Why don't you just call and ask. If its for a baby they may not charge you. One time we requested a room for 2 adults and 2 children at the Ibis near the airport. They gave us a room with a double bed and a baby crib, the room was so small you had to pick up the crib in order to get to the bathroom.

It's best just to ask, they will do what they can for you. Plus you may need directions or reservations, you don't want to be sneaking around when you need their help.

<i>Do you want three breakfasts for the price of two?</i>

Maybe jsims is planning on following Rick Steves' suggestion to take extra food from the breakfast buffet.

Frankly, I am not &quot;shocked&quot; by the &quot;fraud&quot; of putting an extra undeclared person in a room, as it does not entail extra sheets, extra towels or extra anything for the hotel. However, I do feel that in most cases it would be quite impractical.

Many places - there is a legal requirement to not exceed the stated room capacity.

If one of the three is an infant or toddler - the hotel might provide a cot (crib) for a small extra charge. If older than about 3 yo, there really won't be room in a french twin bed for sharing.

Ya know - there ARE triple rooms in Paris . . . . . .

Interesting... I actually thought about this for my upcoming trip. But I thought better of it. We do it all the time here in the USA but the rooms are bigger and I never met a hotel person who cared.
But it's best not to put someone in a bad mood in a foreign country. For me it wouldn't be worth the extra 30 E in my pocket.

Ibis is one hotel brand that will often, but not always, allow children (although often just one child) in what is typically a double room.

Mercure and Novotel, particularly Novotel, have similar policies. Check www.accorhotels.com .

Another hotel chain that often has lenient policies about children is Holiday Inn.

Keep in mind that at many small hotels, you have to personally hand the key in and out to the clerk, as you exit and enter the building. So it's most unlikely that the clerk could happen to just not notice the third person standing there.

In some parts of the world prices are charged per room, meaning that the price is the same, no matter how many people stay in a room - a single traveller, for example, pays the same price as a couple.

In other parts of the world, which includes most of Europe, hotels charge their prices per person. A single traveler staying alone in a room, no matter if single room or double room used as single, pays less than two people staying in a double or twin room pay in total.
These hotels will consider extra people staying but not paying a fraud, and they'll let you notice that they do.

Is there some reason you don't want to stay at a hotel that has &quot;triples&quot; available? Often they are not that much more than the price for &quot;doubles&quot;.

Oh, and why do you ask if &quot;anyone had this problem before&quot;?

It's not a problem. Well, it's your problem, if you're trying to cheat the establishment. No, I don't think anyone has had this &quot;problem&quot; before. Most people here pay for what they need in the way of accommodations.

Nobody has mentioned that it is fairly normal in France (albeit less so in Paris, mainly because many rooms are small) to allow a third person in a room for a modest extra charge. An extra bed and additional towels are supplied.

That's true, Padraig, but jsims wants to sneak in a third person without paying. As others have said, it's fraudulent to do so.

The reason why I drew attention to the &quot;extra bed&quot; possibility is that jsims might consider the disapproval of posters here and also the fact that doing things the right way might not be all that expensive, and end up doing what many of us think is the right thing.

This is just silly and dishonest. If you can't afford the charge for the third person in Paris, either ask the hotel ahead or don't go.

You will be begging for a bed of your own rather than sleeping two to a narrow euro twin.

If it's an infant or a child, no matter how small, you're going to want to sleep well and you're going to want the child to sleep well also. We have even taken a porta crib (what were we THINKING?) but they have those in France.

Trust me - We've traveled with our kids since my oldest (now 14) was not even a year old. When budget was a concern, we stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, which included the kids and the breakfast. No matter what, we always advised the number in the room, as we felt it dishonest to do otherwise.

We did have a B&amp;B in Puerto Rico tell us one time that, while they did not have an extra bed for the room, we were welcome to bring an air mattress for one of the children. They had us completely ready with extra towels and linens ready and waiting.

Just tell the hotel what you're trying to accomplish. Most will accomodate you or charge only a small fee!

Wait until you see how small the beds are!!!

Why would you spend the considerable amount of money it will cost you to travel in Europe and spent tense nights hiding a person in your room for the small fee charged to have a third person?

Be fair and honest and that alone will help you sleep better :)

Why are you going back to Paris if you thought the French were rude, the hotels inferior, and you received bad restaurant service because you didn't get refills of coffee or soft drinks during your other trip.

How are you going to put 3 people in 2 twin beds? Do you know how small a twin bed is? It's what you slept in as a child and the only way 2 adults can sleep in it is one right on top of the other.

Plus a twin room will have towels for only 2 people. And what makes you think the people in the hotel won;t notice?

If there are 3 of you book a triple room - and pay for what you're using - rather than stealing it.

Don't forget fire safety requirements for occupancy limits.

Hotel Henri IV Rive Gauche in the 5th has a very large triple room.

The Hotel de la Bourdonnais in the 7th arrond. in Paris offers rooms with two double beds...they can easily accommodate 3 people with no extra fuss, but you should still tell the hotel in advance.
If you are traveling with a young child, tell the hotel. Many hotels won't charge extra for a young child.

I am frankly surprised that people are so passionate about this subject. Usually, victimless crimes do not arouse so much indignation.

Since the OP claims to only need two twin beds, why are so many people horrified by the comfort factor? Clearly someone is planning on sleeping on the floor. It has been done in the past, and people have survived.

The innkeeper - who relies on rents to feed his family - isn't a victim? How very interesting.

3 people are using the equipment for 2 people. The sheets will not wear out any faster, nor the floor. The innkeeper is receiving payment for the room. Perhaps a little more water is being used.

For heavens sakes you have to tell the hotel if you have two or three people because they need to know who is staying in their hotel! You won't get away with it anyhow because housekeepers are very keen observers...Not to mention the calls you will make to the front desk asking for extra pillows, towels and blankets. Just be honest and don't try to sneak by anyone.

Ahhh.... The hotel room version of the restaurant &quot;dine and dash, or Chew and screw&quot;.
Just tell the front desk how many guests will be on their property.

This would not be a problem out in the countryside or along the freeways, of course, since the automated motels like Formule 1, Etap, Premi&egrave;re Classe, B&amp;B, Fast, etc., have check-in machines and the personnel have no idea how many people are actually in the room. Eastern European tourists are famous for putting 6 or 7 people in a room that is meant of a maximum of 3. Of course, you can not book more breakfasts than the room is meant for.

The post made a lot more sense after I saw what jsimms wrote a year ago:

Author: jsims
Date: 06/17/2007, 12:57 pm
&quot;I have noticed that the hotels in Europe are generally inferior to the hotels in the States. For example, what they advertise as 3 star hotels are two star properties here, four star properties in Europe are three star hotels in the States etc. Generally you always have to assume that you will be one star below in Europe. Obviously there are some exceptions and a Four Seasons or Mandarin Oriental will probably be equal to the cousins in the States but in general that is not the case with most properties.

Just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this.

Also, it seems like you get more bang for your buck in the States than in Europe. That applies to the food, room size, availability of pools, gyms etc.&quot;

So jsims just wants to get &quot;more bang for the buck&quot; by sneaking an extra person into the room.

I wish people with an attitude like this would stay home.

Get a large suitcase and stuff the smallest of your trio in it.

I am intrigued by the thread by &quot;homersimp&quot; asking the exact same thing about Hungary and Czechy, titled:

Underbooking people for hotels

Our room for 2 in Venice was neat, clean, and microscopic! We had reserved 4 rooms, two women traveling together in each room, and of course the single beds were pushed together upon arrival. No problem, we'd just separate them a little so we could have a bit of space. There was so little space between the beds and the walls that I had to scoot to the end of the bed to get out, since the only space for a suitcase was on the floor by the bed. We gave up on separating the beds. The space at the foot of the beds would not have been large enough for anyone but a small child to sleep in. The TV was the size of a large toaster. You could never get another adult in that room unless they slept in the tub! STILL, we had a wonderful time, the staff was wonderful, breakfast was great, and no matter what the rating or how it might compare to hotels in the US, I was in VENICE! If I wanted things to be exactly like home, I'd stay home. I wasn't looking for a resort, I was looking for a place to lay my weary head at night, after all the day's adventures. So, my advice would be, get a triple, don't compare, and unless the hotel is grossly misrepresented, dirty, or dangerous, accept that as part of traveling. Good luck.

Thank you to everyone who posted their comments. Please allow me to clarify. I'm talking about three adults, there will be no children. I'm talking about big hotels, not small inns. Think Hilton, Sheraton etc. I probably should have said two double beds not too twin beds.

Very ofter it's difficult to find a hotel room for 3 adults. Either they are not available (2 people max) or the prices are very high. I plan on paying 200-250 euros per night. I will not ask for any extra towels or anything exta from the hotel. Why then should I change my travel plans or pay an extra 50-75 euros per night for a cot or an extra bed that we don't need.

Like one of the posters said it is typically not a problem in the States nor was it a problem for us 3 years ago in Istanbul. College kids go to Cancun or Miami and stay 5-6 in one room and this is perfectly fine but mention putting an extra person at a Paris hotel and all hell breaks loose.

In response to adrienne I'm going back to Paris because I think it's a beautiful city. My opinion of the French waiters has not changed since 2007.

<i>Why then should I change my travel plans or pay an extra 50-75 euros per night for a cot or an extra bed that we don't need.</i>

Because if you do not tell the hotel how many people there will be in the room you are planning to deceive them with the intention of avoiding payment.

Because there may be legal implications for the hotel.

Because there may be safety implications.

<i>it is typically not a problem in the States</i>

So what? Because it isn't a problem in the US does not mean it's isn't a problem elsewhere. When you go to a foreign country as a visitor pay it the courtesy of abiding by its rules and customs. If you are not prepared to do that then stay at home where the rules and customs are to your liking.

jsims wrote: &quot;Why then should I ... pay an extra 50-75 euros per night for a cot or an extra bed that we don't need.&quot;

I'll offer you a strange reason: because it is the right thing to do.