If there are 2 double beds in the room it may be a room for 4 people. You should simply ask the hotel how much for 3 people. It may be less money since a triple room is less than a quad.

The only way you'll get this question answered correctly is to ask the hotel for prices for double and triple rooms.

I stayed in a large hotel in Rome one time and after the first day the desk clerk never asked for my room number when I picked up the key. He simply handed me the correct key as I walked up to the desk. I think identifying who is staying in a hotel is part of the requirements for front desk staff.

Maybe jsims should rethink this trip; seems like maybe there is a budgeting problem. I would not be at ease with myself, trying to deceive vendors regardless of what the product happents to be.

I don't think money is an issue if jsims is staying at Hiltons. You tell the hotel how many are staying because as many have said "...its the right thing to do." even with that sentiment I can't help but wonder why jsims bothers traveling to a place like Paris when he/she seems to want to make the experience as "American" as possible. I went back and read the controversial post regarding waiters; never, anywhere in Europe have I received automatic refills of anything except occasionally coffee at breakfast at a hotel, (not cafe or restaurant). Also there are continued references to how things are in the U.S. NEWSFLASH: YOU'RE NOT IN THE U.S! Go to Las Vegas if you want an approximation of the European experience instead of an authentic one. I can only speak for myself but this thinking is what perpetuates the stereotype of the "Ugly American". The responses you're receiving come from travelers who do so to immerse ourselves in the culture and customs of another place and we revel in the opportunity to do so!

jsims -

Just so you're aware most chain hotels in europe - Hilton, Sheraton etc - have ONE double bed in the regular rooms. (And often very little floor space around it - even if someone doesn't mind sleeping on the floor.) Or - they may have 2 twin (as in single) beds.

If you want a room with TWO double beds you usually have to specify that up front and it will cost more than a regular room. They may call it deluxe or double double or something. And this will probably cost more than getting a tripe room in a local hotel.

You're assuming that chain hotels will have the same kinds/size rooms they do in the US - they very rarely do. And - they cost much more than in the US.

Separetely, registration/passport sign in can actually be a legal issue - if the hotel decides to get nasty about it.

Six of us (my family) stayed in the Holiday Inn Kensington (not the former Forum) a year ago, in two rooms. When my DH and I travel we stay in boutique (and less expensive) hotels, but because there were six of us we found the most economical way was to book into the HI.

It was a great idea because they had two queen beds in each room--just like in the US. So for us, the US chain appeared to be exactly like the hotels IN the US.

But MelJ, isn't that the exception, rather than the common rule?

I'm sure for 250 euro you can find triple rooms.

No way would I be paying that kind of money (not cheap), staying places like the Sheraton, AND trying to sneak someone into the hotel room every night. What a needless hassle!

I don't know, Tuscan, as this was the only time I've stayed in a chain hotel in Europe. Oh, wait, we stayed in a Jury's in London once.

It just seems weird to me to be sneaking around, three adults who can afford hotels in that price range.

I guess I'd be more sympathetic if these were student backpackers or the like.

Why responsible adults want to do this is beyond me.

jsims

I regularly book rooms for 3 adults in both the USA and here in Europe. It is easier to do this in the USA (although we never book rooms with 2 x queen beds, because we like a bed each!) but, as others have pointed out, 2 x queen beds in rooms (even the big chains) is rare in Europe. Just book a triple and enjoy the difference! You will find comfortable accommodation for the money you are willing to pay - a small apartment or junior suite. I can't see your problem, apart from that you want it to be 'like America'. It's not! (But I often have had to pay extra for a third person in a room in the USA too!)

Perhaps a solar flare has warped <jsims> moral compass so that it no longer points to "ethical".

Or perhaps <jsims> ins merely exemplary of an amoral trait I see all too often nowadays, namely, "I can get away with that". Whether it's here, or rolling thru a stop sign to squeeze into a 3-car length gap in the 30mph traffic, or filling one's pockets and bags with material from the breakfast table, it's "I can get away with that". Preaching a sermon to the deaf just doesn't work.

It's probably not necessary to mention this but, just in case my earlier post about the Holiday Inn London isn't clear, we booked as three to a room and took two rooms (6 people). I would never do what jsims is suggesting and try to sneak extra people in.

Jsims, this has turned into a lively moral debate! Is it wrong to steal? In my culture it is. Will you get caught? Maybe, maybe not. How will you feel either way? I have no idea. You might find it helpful to read some research that has been conducted on moral development and then you can make up your own mind. I would suggest sources such as Kohlberg, 1969; Arbuthnot et al., 1987; Piaget. If you don't have access to an academic library you will be able to find heaps of articles about this research on the internet - use search words such as social - moral - development - Heinz dilemma - Kohlberg - Arbuthnot - Piaget, etc.

jsims, make sure your hotel has triple rooms or get two rooms and pay for it, otherwise...you can find yourselves sleeping on a beautiful parisian park...but as beautiful as they are, I don't see them as a good place to sleep.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet -..... but many hotels offer "family" rooms. We booked several in Austria and Germany. Some were chain hotels, some were little boutique private Inns.

It is much more economical to do this over booking 2 rooms! It is usually 2 rooms with 2 beds each and a shared bath. It is a great option!!
Not sure if these are available in Paris - but it is worth a try!

I can also recommend the Hotel de la Bourdonnais, in the 7th arrondissement in Paris. They have quad rooms, and probably triples, too. Our quad room had a full-on view of the Eiffel Tower, and we paid $225/night in May 2005.

This thread needs to be retitled <b>Defrauding a Paris Innkeeper</b>. It's just wrong. Don't consider it.

jsims seems to have decided they prefer to stay in a chain hotel like Hilton or Sheraton (do these exist in Paris?), but these places charge too much for the 3rd person in a room, so they are justified in paying for 2 and sneaking in the third. Then rationalizes by saying they won't ask for a towel for the third person, so it doesn't cost any more for the hotel. If it's OK for college students on spring break in Cancun, it must be OK for 3 (apparently affluent) adults who can afford to go to Paris---but don't agree with the prices charged by hotels.

As I said above----people with this kind of attitude should just stay home.

I'm amazed by the snooty attitudes of some of the posters. Let me clarify:

1) No small innkeepers will be hurt

2) I'm talking about billion dollar corporations (Hilton, Marriott) who set their own rules.

3) We will not need anything extra from the staff or the hotels in the way of towels or anything else.

4) Breakfast, lunch, dinner will be purchased and paid for 3 adults.

4) We need 2 beds nothing extra. The hotel will not be inconvenienced in any way, shape or form.

5) It's stupid to pay extra 50 euros a night for basically nothing extra. It is stupid, people. These hotels are ripping people off in the first place. It's as stupid as paying to check in the 1st bag at AA or United or Delta. Just because these airlines are poorly managed or they want to make a few extra bucks off of me is not my fault and I will not make it into my problem. Same goes for the hotel. I pay 200-250 euros for one room and two beds. I don't need to be paying anything extra to make the owners in NY or Chicago a little bit richer.

It is neither snooty nor stupid.

But it is honest.

The extra money that some people gladly pay is called &quot;snob value.&quot;

Hmm. Three people fitting into two twins? How odd. I can't imagine spending a vacation that uncomfortable. I think the hotels (even the big chains) are much more aware of their guests than in the US as many of the hotels are quite small (even the big chains). You have to provide your passport to the desk of each hotel so you can be registered while you are in Europe. You have one person that will not be. Will that cause traveling problems later on? Perhaps at the airport?

You are travelling to a different country. Laws and rules are different there. What you are planning is considered defraud there. Full stop. If you cannot respect that, better stay at home.

I don't understand this distinction, that it is OK to steal from a large business if you don't feel their prices are fair.

Why not just stay at a hotel where you consider the prices fair and can afford a triple? There are plenty of good hotels to choose from where you can get a triple for 200-250 euros.

It says a lot that jsims considers honesty to be snobbery. Apparently in jsims and jsims' social circle, thievery is considered being &quot;regular folks.&quot;

I'm really confused, jsims. You are willing to travel to Europe and spend $250-300 a night, but for some strange reason, don't want to put that money toward HONESTLY putting three to a room? You can do that quite comfortably for $250-300 and sleep well at night knowing that you don't have to sneak a third person in and out of the room every day. (Think about getting caught and kicked out!)

Contrary to your second post, French hotel rooms that accomodate three people are NOT rare. You just, for some reason, wish to play &quot;college students on spring break&quot; (what a feeble example to support your case, BTW) and sneak an extra person into your room.

So stop trying to turn this around and make honest people look like snobs. That's ludicrous. And, by the way, YOU ASKED!

Shame on you!

I think the point is that this is just dishonest, that's all. It would be fraud in the US, also, I think you would be violating a contract or something. It is the kind of thing poor college kids do.

Some people are just dishonest. If you think a hotel is charging too much for their rooms and that is a &quot;rip off&quot;, then don't stay there. It is still their property and they are allowed to charge whatever they want for the service they are delivering. Following the ethics that you are allowed to steal (receive something valued higher than you are paying) things if you think they are overpriced, you could steal objects from a store as well as services. Services are priced, also. The hotel is providing something, they are providing room and shelter for 3 people versus 2.

Not to mention, possible complaints from others if a room is too noisy or crowded. I've done that myself, just last winter (in a large hotel in Lake Tahoe) -- and security came and did remove those people from the hotel, I saw them being marched down the hall. Now if they were quiet as a mouse, it's true, I wouldn't have known or complained, but people who think they can violate hotel standards, get free room and then be noisy (groups of people naturally are noisier, just because of the talking and other things) and bother other people deserve to get bounced out of the hotel.

Software license sales are another example of where one could argue that you aren't &quot;hurting anyone&quot; and the company isn't providing anything if you make illegal copies of their software. The fact that you are getting free use of something is something they are providing. An extra person getting a room in a hotel overnight is something the hotel is providing.

I still don't know how three adults are going to be sleeping in two twin beds, but perhaps I missed that (or do not want to go there).

While I think that the OP is a whiney little weasel who is sure to find his Karmic Comeuppance at the hands of an angry hotelier.

I have to say that I am impressed with the level of integrity of all the other posters! I wish you all clean, luxurious hotels rooms at excellent prices. May your coffees be hot, and your towels be fluffy.

I agree that this is dishonest.

I feel the same way about people taking an extra bread roll, some meat and a piece of fruit from the breakfast buffet to make themselves a free lunch.

Oh, LSky..fluffy towels is too much to ask for ;)

&quot;We need 2 beds nothing extra. The hotel will not be inconvenienced in any way, shape or form.&quot;

That makes it OK? And that third person isn't going to be taking showers, brushing teeth, flushing the toilet?

I guess I'm just stupid, like all the other honest people here.

&quot;The hotel is not going to be inconvenienced in any way.&quot;

The hotel might view your attempt to unilaterally decide the issue as something of an inconvenience.

On the other hand, it's possible they could not care less whether the occupants of a hotel room are legitimate. This includes whether the occupants of your room consist of two members of your party, three members of your party, or four thieves and a chain-saw wielding nutcase.

In other words, a hotel that doesn't have the kind of security or monitoring system to deter people from sneaking up to the room might be very inconvenient...for you.

Hey, jsims......admit it; if this were a court, you would be sitting in your cell waiting for your 4th appeal!!! Give it up; you made a poor moral decision.

Any one cares to comment on the airlines' policies to charge for the 1st bag? Blanket, water, air? Hotels are the same way so pay all you want folks, I on the other hand refuse to be a sucker...

Since you brought up the airlines, Do you plan to put that third person, who you said is an adult, on your lap and pay for only two people, since you'll use only two seats?

Geesh

I just checked the Sheraton properties in Paris. At Le Meridien Montparnasse, you can get an &quot;oversize family room&quot; with 2 double beds. The rate for 3 adults is 236 euro; the rate for the same room with 2 people is 196 euro.

So what are you getting for the extra 40 euro? Peace of mind. The legal right to have 3 people in that room. The knowledge that you won't get kicked out or accosted by authorities. The satisfaction of being honest (which apparently doesn't mean anything to you). Enough towels for everyone, no sharing necessary. The right to walk in the front door and through the lobby together, without anyone sneaking around. The knowledge that you are behaving like an adult, not a frat rat on spring break.

Are you a sucker to pay it? Not in my book. But maybe you look for ways to feel like a sucker.

Maybe the real sucker is the person who thinks he can get away with this. I assume you aren't going to Paris just for one night. Do you really think no one will notice the extra person coming and going for several days? The maids will see you in the hallway when you leave the room for breakfast. And they see all the extra luggage in the room (or maybe you are not bringing any luggage, because you feel like a sucker paying for one piece of luggage).

Maybe you could bring an empty suitcase with you and make off with the sheets, towels, lamps, etc.; since you don't want to &quot;be a sucker&quot;.

It's just amazing that jsims thinks it's not OK to cheat a small hotel, but it IS OK to cheat a large chain. I just don't get that logic. And if you think they're ripping you off and you're a sucker to pay the extra fee for the third person, stay somewhere else!

I’ve been following this thread and I have to say that I think it’s useless trying to make this person see that what they’re trying to do is dishonest and wrong. He or she or they will do what they want to regardless of what anyone says. If they go ahead and do it anyway despite all the advise not too and they get caught they will just have to suffer the consequences and hopefully learn from it.

jdc

This reminds me of the story of the man who asked a woman in a bar if she would sleep with him for a million dollars.

When she agreed, he asked, &quot;Would you sleep with me for $10?&quot;

She indignantly replied, &quot;NO! What do you think I am?&quot;

He responded, &quot;We have already established what you are; now we are negotiating over price.&quot;

jsims, if such a person exists, has establised what he is.

Have you thought of a small apartment. Some will rent for as few as 3-4 days.