Looking for info on this neighborhood in Naples
Jul 20th, 2011, 05:53 AM
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Looking for info on this neighborhood in Naples
We're thinking of renting this apartment for 4 nights in Naples:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationR..._Campania.html
(There's a map at the bottom of this page)
Can anyone tell me anything about the neighborhood?
Would this be a good place to stay to be able to see the sights? It doesn't look very close to a metro station, but I don't know how necessary that is in Naples (it's not in Rome for example).
What about restaurants in the area or safety at night?
How would we get to/from the main train station? Is a cab necessary or could we use public transportation?
Thanks!
http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationR..._Campania.html
(There's a map at the bottom of this page)
Can anyone tell me anything about the neighborhood?
Would this be a good place to stay to be able to see the sights? It doesn't look very close to a metro station, but I don't know how necessary that is in Naples (it's not in Rome for example).
What about restaurants in the area or safety at night?
How would we get to/from the main train station? Is a cab necessary or could we use public transportation?
Thanks!
Jul 20th, 2011, 06:23 AM
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I don't think that apt. is very central. Also, it looks to be up a rather large hill and there are no reviews.
Here are some alternates that are VERY central:
http://www.vrbo.com/253410
Killer location smack in the Historic Center. This one's on the 2nd floor. There are other apts. available in same building.
http://www.vrbo.com/283998
Pretty good location near Piazza Dante. Also walkable to areas you'll want to see.
http://sangregorioflat.jimdo.com/
Best possible location but a 4th floor walk-up with no elevator. Could be good if you are young or in shape.
Here are some alternates that are VERY central:
http://www.vrbo.com/253410
Killer location smack in the Historic Center. This one's on the 2nd floor. There are other apts. available in same building.
http://www.vrbo.com/283998
Pretty good location near Piazza Dante. Also walkable to areas you'll want to see.
http://sangregorioflat.jimdo.com/
Best possible location but a 4th floor walk-up with no elevator. Could be good if you are young or in shape.
Jul 20th, 2011, 06:28 AM
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Meant to add that in addition to central location, the three above all have MANY restaurants within a few blocks, are in areas with VERY heavy foot traffic at all times and as a result are in very safes areas. Buses and taxis are readily available if you want to go someplace in an outlying area.
Jul 20th, 2011, 06:30 AM
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Kristina I am not a Naples expert by any means, but for what it's worth, it looks to me to be in the Spanish Quarter, near the heart of the old historic center. Not far from the Pignasecca market and within an easy walk of major sights in the historic center. Old area, buildings close together, guidebooks mention taking are at night but we felt safe. Certainly good enough for eating; Hostaria Toledo would be one dinner option not far from there.
No idea about buses or subway as we have walked almost everywhere on two visits in the last few years, save a few taxis to airport and a restaurant or two.
Hopefully you will get other opinions to echo, or dispute, my own...
No idea about buses or subway as we have walked almost everywhere on two visits in the last few years, save a few taxis to airport and a restaurant or two.
Hopefully you will get other opinions to echo, or dispute, my own...
Jul 20th, 2011, 06:38 AM
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Hi, Kristina ~
We spent a week in Naples a few months ago.
I'm not sure about the apartment's exact neighborhood, hopefully some "locals" will chime in soon... I believe it's just north and west of the old Spanish section, but I could be wrong. I can't comment on its safety, either.
It's not TOO far out of the action (I consider being near Piazza Dante, Piazza Bellini and the Archaeology Museum in the "thick" of things for restaurants, cafes and cool shops and night life), but, honestly, I'd probably want to be a bit further north and east -- closer to one of the above piazzas.
The apt is close to the Via Veneto, though, which is one of the main commercial streets -- with stores, restaurants, etc. But I felt that area (the southern part of via Veneto) was a bit dead at night compared to Piazza Bellini, etc.
Most of the central historic area is walkable, but in your case, I'd probably just get a cab from the train station because this apartment is much further out. You may tire of walking so far, just to get to the the sites. I'd plot out everything you'd like to see on a map and calculate the distance using Google's walking button. Then make a decision.
If you could stay near Piazza Bellini or Dante, you'll be able to walk almost everywhere. In our 7 days there, we only took the subway once (from the train station to our B&B near Piazza Bellini) and the bus once (to/from the Museo Capidimonte). The metro connections were slow and infrequent and we were able to walk to/from the train station faster than taking the metro. We walked everywhere else, including to the train station on the way home(but we pack light).
The apartment looks gorgeous and is probably pretty quiet. Tough decision. But I'd probably look for something closer to the sites/historic center.
Don't know if I've confused you even more or helped you! I hope you love Naples as much as I did.
ps. Get the 3-day regional Arte Card if you're heading to Pompeii, Herculaneum, Paestum, etc. Well worth the money.
We spent a week in Naples a few months ago.
I'm not sure about the apartment's exact neighborhood, hopefully some "locals" will chime in soon... I believe it's just north and west of the old Spanish section, but I could be wrong. I can't comment on its safety, either.
It's not TOO far out of the action (I consider being near Piazza Dante, Piazza Bellini and the Archaeology Museum in the "thick" of things for restaurants, cafes and cool shops and night life), but, honestly, I'd probably want to be a bit further north and east -- closer to one of the above piazzas.
The apt is close to the Via Veneto, though, which is one of the main commercial streets -- with stores, restaurants, etc. But I felt that area (the southern part of via Veneto) was a bit dead at night compared to Piazza Bellini, etc.
Most of the central historic area is walkable, but in your case, I'd probably just get a cab from the train station because this apartment is much further out. You may tire of walking so far, just to get to the the sites. I'd plot out everything you'd like to see on a map and calculate the distance using Google's walking button. Then make a decision.
If you could stay near Piazza Bellini or Dante, you'll be able to walk almost everywhere. In our 7 days there, we only took the subway once (from the train station to our B&B near Piazza Bellini) and the bus once (to/from the Museo Capidimonte). The metro connections were slow and infrequent and we were able to walk to/from the train station faster than taking the metro. We walked everywhere else, including to the train station on the way home(but we pack light).
The apartment looks gorgeous and is probably pretty quiet. Tough decision. But I'd probably look for something closer to the sites/historic center.
Don't know if I've confused you even more or helped you! I hope you love Naples as much as I did.
ps. Get the 3-day regional Arte Card if you're heading to Pompeii, Herculaneum, Paestum, etc. Well worth the money.
Jul 20th, 2011, 06:52 AM
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Wow! Thanks for the quick replies, keep them coming!
I really liked this apartment because it seemed spacious and oh, that view! But yes, I'm concerned about the location.
Bardo- Thank you for the specific recommendations. I've sent emails to the VRBO ones. The last one was not available for our dates (plus that music they play on the website might be enough to forgo the booking. ;-) )
ekscrunchy- I'm so glad you replied. I wanted to see if you had any dining advice for Paestum. Didn't you go there? I also put a question about that on Chowhound. Are you going back to Italy soon?
NanBug-Thanks for the advice. You might well be right that central might be better. We actually have reservations at a hotel near the Archaeological museum, but I would prefer an apartment to have more space. We will probably be buying the 7 day artecard because we will be in Naples for 4 days and then Paestum for 2, though I need to figure out where we're going and when to see which card is the better deal for us.
I really liked this apartment because it seemed spacious and oh, that view! But yes, I'm concerned about the location.
Bardo- Thank you for the specific recommendations. I've sent emails to the VRBO ones. The last one was not available for our dates (plus that music they play on the website might be enough to forgo the booking. ;-) )
ekscrunchy- I'm so glad you replied. I wanted to see if you had any dining advice for Paestum. Didn't you go there? I also put a question about that on Chowhound. Are you going back to Italy soon?
NanBug-Thanks for the advice. You might well be right that central might be better. We actually have reservations at a hotel near the Archaeological museum, but I would prefer an apartment to have more space. We will probably be buying the 7 day artecard because we will be in Naples for 4 days and then Paestum for 2, though I need to figure out where we're going and when to see which card is the better deal for us.
Jul 20th, 2011, 07:03 AM
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Hi, Kristina ~
If you're open to staying in a hotel or B&B, we enjoyed our stay at Bellini 67, a small B&B near the Piazza Bellini: www.Bellini67.com. It's a basic, budget place, but we had a large bed, a separate twin bed, small table and lots of room. It was only 50E/night, including breakfast.
Another groovy (but more expensive) hotel is the Costantinopoli 104, which we walked by several times: www.costantinopoli104.com. Location is perfect and it looked lovely from the outside. (Maybe this is the hotel you've booked?) Loved that street, too -- everything from cobblers to pizza shops to record stores.
Definitely plot out your Arte Card days and see what's best for you -- we did Pompeii (day 1), Herculaneum and Oplontis (day 2) and Pastum (day 3), which worked out fine for the 3 day pass, especially since the regional rail was included. Paestum knocked my socks off, as did Oplontis.
Also, don't miss Pizzeria Starita, just north of the Archaeology Museum. Yum.
If you're open to staying in a hotel or B&B, we enjoyed our stay at Bellini 67, a small B&B near the Piazza Bellini: www.Bellini67.com. It's a basic, budget place, but we had a large bed, a separate twin bed, small table and lots of room. It was only 50E/night, including breakfast.
Another groovy (but more expensive) hotel is the Costantinopoli 104, which we walked by several times: www.costantinopoli104.com. Location is perfect and it looked lovely from the outside. (Maybe this is the hotel you've booked?) Loved that street, too -- everything from cobblers to pizza shops to record stores.
Definitely plot out your Arte Card days and see what's best for you -- we did Pompeii (day 1), Herculaneum and Oplontis (day 2) and Pastum (day 3), which worked out fine for the 3 day pass, especially since the regional rail was included. Paestum knocked my socks off, as did Oplontis.
Also, don't miss Pizzeria Starita, just north of the Archaeology Museum. Yum.
Jul 20th, 2011, 07:13 AM
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We stayed a few hundred yards away a few weeks ago.
It's actually quite close (500 m walk) to two funicular stations on Corso V Emmanuele. The southerly one takes you down to the Opera House (the area round which gets very animated at night: a few OK restaurants): the northerly one down to the two Montesanto metro/suburban railway stations. Both take you up to the rather tony Vomero area, which has lots of reasonable and affordable restaurants. Taxi availability in the area struck me as poor.
I've read (though wouldn't believe it for a moment) that the walk down to the seafront/opera house is unsafe. The walk down to Montesanto isn't unsafe. It's certainly uncomfortable physically to walk up from either.
You need a car and/or public transport to get round Naples (we used both heavily, and had pricey access to a nearby garage). We found the area irritating because in heavy rain (when it rains in Naples, it rains), the walk to the funicular stations can feel unpleasantly long, and there's damn all eating facilities in the immediate vicinity that we could find.
If you're happy about walking to a funicular to get a tube to get anywhere, Montesanto is great for getting to the Cumae/Phlegrean fields area (though most sites are really inaccessible by public transport). Though daunting at first, it's quite a fast drive up to the Circonvalazione, and then on to Pompeii, Herculaneum and the minor sites to the south of the bay. You MUST drive for the minor sites: public transport, apart to the very big ones, is awful.
The views from the area are overated. You can't avoid Vesuvius anywhere round Naples, and the view down to the port is just a view down to a port, making you aware of just how many awful buildings there are in Naples. Many of them jolly picturesque from the street - but simply hideous from above.
Neapolitan metro/funicular/bus maps are the worst I've ever encountered in what purports to be a civilised city. In an area where there aren't bus stops every few feet, this can be a real nuisance: it took us several days to orient ourselves
It's actually quite close (500 m walk) to two funicular stations on Corso V Emmanuele. The southerly one takes you down to the Opera House (the area round which gets very animated at night: a few OK restaurants): the northerly one down to the two Montesanto metro/suburban railway stations. Both take you up to the rather tony Vomero area, which has lots of reasonable and affordable restaurants. Taxi availability in the area struck me as poor.
I've read (though wouldn't believe it for a moment) that the walk down to the seafront/opera house is unsafe. The walk down to Montesanto isn't unsafe. It's certainly uncomfortable physically to walk up from either.
You need a car and/or public transport to get round Naples (we used both heavily, and had pricey access to a nearby garage). We found the area irritating because in heavy rain (when it rains in Naples, it rains), the walk to the funicular stations can feel unpleasantly long, and there's damn all eating facilities in the immediate vicinity that we could find.
If you're happy about walking to a funicular to get a tube to get anywhere, Montesanto is great for getting to the Cumae/Phlegrean fields area (though most sites are really inaccessible by public transport). Though daunting at first, it's quite a fast drive up to the Circonvalazione, and then on to Pompeii, Herculaneum and the minor sites to the south of the bay. You MUST drive for the minor sites: public transport, apart to the very big ones, is awful.
The views from the area are overated. You can't avoid Vesuvius anywhere round Naples, and the view down to the port is just a view down to a port, making you aware of just how many awful buildings there are in Naples. Many of them jolly picturesque from the street - but simply hideous from above.
Neapolitan metro/funicular/bus maps are the worst I've ever encountered in what purports to be a civilised city. In an area where there aren't bus stops every few feet, this can be a real nuisance: it took us several days to orient ourselves
Jul 20th, 2011, 07:18 AM
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You'll need a taxi to get to your place. Metro Dante is the closest subway and I think that you would have to take two buses if using surface transportation. Another alternative is the B&B Medea, where we stayed for 65€ a night.
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Jul 20th, 2011, 07:31 AM
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I'll also throw out a hotel option.
http://www.decumani.com/en/
We stayed here a few years ago and loved, loved, LOVED it.
The hotel is a converted 18th century Palazzo. Our (standard) room was about 20' x 16' plus a 150 sq st. bathroom with over-sized tub, a king bed, table/chairs, mini-fridge, and 16 ft. ceilings.
Incredible value - we paid 100E/night but it's easily worth twice that. The best thing was the location - right in the Spaccanapoli, a block or so to the Santa Chiara Cloister.
http://www.decumani.com/en/
We stayed here a few years ago and loved, loved, LOVED it.
The hotel is a converted 18th century Palazzo. Our (standard) room was about 20' x 16' plus a 150 sq st. bathroom with over-sized tub, a king bed, table/chairs, mini-fridge, and 16 ft. ceilings.
Incredible value - we paid 100E/night but it's easily worth twice that. The best thing was the location - right in the Spaccanapoli, a block or so to the Santa Chiara Cloister.
Jul 20th, 2011, 11:19 AM
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HI Kristina: I thought that was you on CH!
I plan to be in the Paestum area in September (base in Castellabate); hopefully I can convince my (eat to live,not live to eat) older travel companions to spend a morning at the Vannulo farm to see the cheesemaking and to taste. We might combine it with the Paestum temples.
When I was last at Paestum, a few years ago, we ended up having lunch in Cetara on the way back to our base in Amalfi, so I have no recommendations for you other than what I read on the food sites and guidebooks.
In her excellent food guide to Campania, Carla Capalbo recommends Da Nonna Sceppa as the "most interesting restuarant in the area." It seems to be near Vannulo but has no real website. http://www.nonnasceppa.com/
She (CC) also has a few names near the temples and I will post them here if you like..I will also post the SlowFood listings if you like..just let me know.
I plan to be in the Paestum area in September (base in Castellabate); hopefully I can convince my (eat to live,not live to eat) older travel companions to spend a morning at the Vannulo farm to see the cheesemaking and to taste. We might combine it with the Paestum temples.
When I was last at Paestum, a few years ago, we ended up having lunch in Cetara on the way back to our base in Amalfi, so I have no recommendations for you other than what I read on the food sites and guidebooks.
In her excellent food guide to Campania, Carla Capalbo recommends Da Nonna Sceppa as the "most interesting restuarant in the area." It seems to be near Vannulo but has no real website. http://www.nonnasceppa.com/
She (CC) also has a few names near the temples and I will post them here if you like..I will also post the SlowFood listings if you like..just let me know.
Jul 20th, 2011, 10:21 PM
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Bardo-
Both of these apartments you suggested are available for our dates, do you have experience with either one?
http://www.vrbo.com/253410
This one looks nice, but is not located near any of the metro stops. What else should I know about this location?
http://www.vrbo.com/283998
I'm leaning toward this one because the cost is <i>really affordable</i> (almost half of the other) which means more $$$ for everything else! The location also looks good in that it's near a metro stop. But then I looked at the Naples Metro website and it looks like the line we would use (line 2) is under construction and not running from the main train station. It's hard to tell.
eks- Any info you have about where to eat near the temples would be greatly appreciated. If you want, you can put that on CH.
Thanks everyone else for the recommendations!
Both of these apartments you suggested are available for our dates, do you have experience with either one?
http://www.vrbo.com/253410
This one looks nice, but is not located near any of the metro stops. What else should I know about this location?
http://www.vrbo.com/283998
I'm leaning toward this one because the cost is <i>really affordable</i> (almost half of the other) which means more $$$ for everything else! The location also looks good in that it's near a metro stop. But then I looked at the Naples Metro website and it looks like the line we would use (line 2) is under construction and not running from the main train station. It's hard to tell.
eks- Any info you have about where to eat near the temples would be greatly appreciated. If you want, you can put that on CH.
Thanks everyone else for the recommendations!
Jul 20th, 2011, 11:55 PM
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Just an answer to your last question, line 2 is still under construction but you can get to the main train station from the Dante metro stop by changing at the Museo stop. The system is amazingly sleek and modern, the opposite of what's going on up above!
Jul 21st, 2011, 02:37 AM
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K - I recollect that second one getting an airing here not so long ago.
Try....
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...end-3-days.cfm
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Try....
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...end-3-days.cfm
Peter
Jul 21st, 2011, 03:51 AM
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It looks like a lovely flat and it's not too far out, but I'm just not sure how uphill it is. If it were on the level with the centro storico I'd say go for it, but others who know that particular area better seem to be saying it is very uphill which would put me off.
We've stayed in Naples twice (once for a week, once for a long weekend) and prefer to be right in or on the edge of the centro storico so we can walk almost everywhere easily.
I agree with flanneruk most of the time but here I'd dispute his assertion that you need to use public transport a lot - on our initial week there, after getting the bus from the airport to Piazza Municipio and before leaving via walking to Molo Beverello to get a boat to Ischia, we only got buses twice - once to the Catacombe di San Gennaro & Museo di Capodimonte, and once to Mergellina to sample ice cream from the 'chalets' (which you are not likely to want to do with only 4 days). We didn't get taxis at all, so everything else was on foot. Of the 2 hotels we've stayed in, we liked best the location of the Hotel Executive which is on the south west edge of the centro storico, nearest to the ferry port and the opera house - good for walking to most sights, the opera house & the ferry port of course, close to lots of bars & restaurants and a good choice of buses from via Medina.
That said, I was assuming you are planning to spend your 4 days seeing the sights of Naples itself. If however you are mainly planning to visit sights outside the city like Pompeii, Herculaneum, Vesuvius & the Phlegrean Fields, what I've said doesn't apply.
Whatever, I wouldn't place too much emphasis on nearness to metro stops - we didn't find them any more use than in Rome (presumably for the same reasons around the difficulty of digging up a centro storico) and only in fact went into a couple of metro stations to see the contemporary art there
(flanner, v. impressed you drove in Naples - brave man !)
We've stayed in Naples twice (once for a week, once for a long weekend) and prefer to be right in or on the edge of the centro storico so we can walk almost everywhere easily.
I agree with flanneruk most of the time but here I'd dispute his assertion that you need to use public transport a lot - on our initial week there, after getting the bus from the airport to Piazza Municipio and before leaving via walking to Molo Beverello to get a boat to Ischia, we only got buses twice - once to the Catacombe di San Gennaro & Museo di Capodimonte, and once to Mergellina to sample ice cream from the 'chalets' (which you are not likely to want to do with only 4 days). We didn't get taxis at all, so everything else was on foot. Of the 2 hotels we've stayed in, we liked best the location of the Hotel Executive which is on the south west edge of the centro storico, nearest to the ferry port and the opera house - good for walking to most sights, the opera house & the ferry port of course, close to lots of bars & restaurants and a good choice of buses from via Medina.
That said, I was assuming you are planning to spend your 4 days seeing the sights of Naples itself. If however you are mainly planning to visit sights outside the city like Pompeii, Herculaneum, Vesuvius & the Phlegrean Fields, what I've said doesn't apply.
Whatever, I wouldn't place too much emphasis on nearness to metro stops - we didn't find them any more use than in Rome (presumably for the same reasons around the difficulty of digging up a centro storico) and only in fact went into a couple of metro stations to see the contemporary art there
(flanner, v. impressed you drove in Naples - brave man !)
Jul 21st, 2011, 04:41 AM
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Kristina,
I have not stayed at those VRBO's. I offered them up as more central alternatives to your original post. They both look good to me.
As for proximity to Metro, I agree that if you are staying in the historical center, then it is very unlikely that you would need or use Metro at all. Most everything is walkable and that which isn't (like the Museo di Capodimonte) is a very short bus (or taxi, though the bus is just as convenient) ride away.
I have not stayed at those VRBO's. I offered them up as more central alternatives to your original post. They both look good to me.
As for proximity to Metro, I agree that if you are staying in the historical center, then it is very unlikely that you would need or use Metro at all. Most everything is walkable and that which isn't (like the Museo di Capodimonte) is a very short bus (or taxi, though the bus is just as convenient) ride away.
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Kristina: I checked my guide and did not find any SlowFood recs in Paestum.
Carla Capalbo, in her book, recommends, but does not rave, about these eateries near the temples:
Around since 1929, draws mostly tourists, with groups in one room and individuals in the more attractive rooms inside the villa. http://www.ristorantenettuno.com/start_eng.html
Enoteca and restaurant, classics with some modern twists. Sounds nice:
http://it-it.facebook.com/pages/Rist...e/302717763212
"Elegant," in a small hotel:
http://www.ilgranaiodeicasabella.com/en/lacucina.html
Carla Capalbo, in her book, recommends, but does not rave, about these eateries near the temples:
Around since 1929, draws mostly tourists, with groups in one room and individuals in the more attractive rooms inside the villa. http://www.ristorantenettuno.com/start_eng.html
Enoteca and restaurant, classics with some modern twists. Sounds nice:
http://it-it.facebook.com/pages/Rist...e/302717763212
"Elegant," in a small hotel:
http://www.ilgranaiodeicasabella.com/en/lacucina.html
Jul 21st, 2011, 07:13 PM
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eks- Thanks for the links! Guess what? We are staying 2 nights at il Granaio and taking half board for one of them (dinner).
Ristorante Nettuno has an amazing view of the temples! I thought it might be a tourist trap but the reviews on TA are very good.
Tarquin-Thanks for answering my metro question, but I'm still a little confused. When I look at the Naples metro web site, I can't see the main train station as a stop/connection on Line 1.
I'm still leaning towrd the apartment near Piazza Dante, but I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger. Why is this so hard?
Ristorante Nettuno has an amazing view of the temples! I thought it might be a tourist trap but the reviews on TA are very good.
Tarquin-Thanks for answering my metro question, but I'm still a little confused. When I look at the Naples metro web site, I can't see the main train station as a stop/connection on Line 1.
I'm still leaning towrd the apartment near Piazza Dante, but I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger. Why is this so hard?
