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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 02:38 PM
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im the more adventurous international traveler, my wife is not. She wants a package tour with everything laid out ahead of time and an organized group tour. She will not listen to my idea of taking trains, renting cars, and wandering about on our own.

so, in an effort to keep her happy, I need to find a package tour. She has never been to Europe or has ever been out of the country. It was a major hurdle for her to get a passport, because she refused to leave the us in the past.

which package tours are good? Rome, Venice, and a couple of other places on a 9-12 day tour. She mentioned Pompeii too.

If anyone went on this this type of vacation, let me know. Which tour company do you advise?
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 03:59 PM
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It mostly depends on your budget. There are lower end, mass market fast paced tours (Globus,Cosmos, Gate1 and such). They are generall much cheaper, but really hectic and large groups

There are 'connoisseur' type tours (like Tauck) which cost much more, are usually smaller groups, include private and special 'cultural experiences', stay in high end /posher hotels in better locations.

There are more mid range like Rick Steves . . .

You get what you pay for.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 04:57 PM
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Read the itinerary details of any tour very carefully. "See" or "View" means you won't stop. Visit 3 stops on the same day? Good luck with that. "Perhaps" means you are on your own. So does "you can" or "choose." And keep in mind that getting a bus full of tourists into a bus or into a site or out for a bathroom break will always kill 20-40 minutes. Then realize that your included meals will be at the places that can make enough food all at once that is bland enough so that the pickiest tourist will eat it. And you will have great fun in finding someplace to eat for all the meals not included while guaranteeing you will be back at the bus in time. Speaking of the bus, how much are you going to see out a window at 60 mph when you are in the half of the group with an aisle seat? And, above all, if a place has three top sites, be assured you will tour one, get a 5 minute photo stop at one, and drive by the third.

Compromise with the missus. Get a package that gets you air and a hotel and do the rest on your own. If needed, the hotel can fix you up with a city tour any day you want.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 05:15 PM
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I have to keep wifey happy. She is very stubborn, and not very adventurous.

So the best tours are? Is YMT tours good? Is there another one?
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 05:16 PM
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Just to add a bit to the previous comments....if you do get an air/hotel package, check to make sure that the hotel is in the city center. Sometimes the hotels are on the outskirts.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 05:27 PM
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I've done 5 Rick Steves tours--they are different than most other companies, and work really well for me. Read this page and see if they appeal:
https://www.ricksteves.com/tours/the...for-your-money
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 05:56 PM
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I think it's unlikely you'll find an organized tour that goes only where you want to go and doesn't include other destinations (probably Florence and/or Tuscany) in 10-12 days. For me, these tours try to do too much in the time available and start each day way too early for my (vacation) tastes. Others like a fast-paced, full-day-all-day-every-day itinerary.

If Venice, Rome and Pompeii are where you want to go, you could fly to Venice and hire a private tour guide for the days you're there, then train to Rome and do the same (including a day trip to Pompeii). See exactly what interests you. If you're interested in museums, you can see (and take your time seeing) them. If you're not interested in museums, you don't have to go to any. Ditto everything else, like churches, famous landmarks, interesting neighborhoods, etc., unlike organized tours that decide what you'll see/do.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 06:18 PM
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Would a very stubborn person be happy doing exactly (and only) what a tour guide tells her to see/do?
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 06:48 PM
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>>So the best tours are? Is YMT tours good?<<

I had never heard of YMT - (apparently Your Man Tours) - I don't think they are very well known or a major player

>>Is there another one?<<

Oh lots. . . . have you read some of the posts? -At least 5 or 6 very well known companies have been listed. There are also Perillo and others.

You are brand new here so the is a limit to how often you can post . . . so in the time before you can post again tomorrow, why not take a look at the companies already mentioned (Tauck, Rick Steves, Globus, Gate1, Cosmos Perillo, etc.). Cosmos/Globus/Gate1 will be at the cheaper end of the list, Tauck at the top and Perillo/Rick Steves in the middle.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2019 | 06:54 PM
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I meant to ask your ages. That can make a HUGE difference. Many tours do cater mostly to a older demographic. Others will have a wider age range.

Oh -- and jean has a point. If your DW is as 'stubborn' as you say it is very likely she will be at least annoyed having no autonomy at all. That means being told exactly what time the bags have to be in the hall (every morning - usually around 7AM), exactly how long you have for each meal, having next to no time to wander, relax, explore on your own. Being told where to sit on the coach (every day)
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Old Feb 3rd, 2019 | 01:43 AM
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I hesitate to offer advice but I'd like to suggest some questions that might help us help you....

1) Have you ever done a tour in the US? What did she like or dislike about the process?
2) What are your more USA centric holidays like, are stay stationary or do you drive all over, hang out at the beach or visit museums etc, stay in the same state of fly about?
3) Does your wife have a concern about being in a foreign country with languages that she does not understand?

My concerns about using a tour is 1) the hotels never seem to be in the right places, 2) the restaurants all have to be designed for 80 people at a time and 3) you don't really make contact with the locals you live in a sort of USA bubble that exists in a fantasy world.

So, if the issue is fear of languages, then go to London or Dublin, where English is the native main language and she can chat to everyone. If she has never done a tour go on line and look at a USA tour of your own state, (ask her if that tour is a fair measure of her experience). If it is fear of traffic being different, it will be, but if you go on a tour you will end up in it, if you go as a couple then you can use the factastic public transport an avoid it.

As a final thought, if you ever get her to Italy and the cities you have identified, the vast majority of people you will meet will speak Italish English or even very good English. The food will be, just like you get in Italian restaurants in Italy, only it will taste better.

Really finally, i found this https://www.inntravel.co.uk/holidays...-tour-of-italy

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Old Feb 3rd, 2019 | 07:25 AM
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I will add that my first thought also was that a very stubborn person would find themselves having to give up that stubborness during the first hour of the tour. Having experienced an unreasonably stubborn sister, I have come to recognize that this is actually passive agressive behavior.

If you are willing to travel to her requirements, do a tour, but only after you have researched in detail and she fully understands what a group tour means!

if you do the tour and she has a great time, wonderful! Maybe some doors have been opened. If she comes back saying it was horrible and she will never go again, that can also be good - for you. You can travel solo and really enjoy trips in tue furture!

I sincerely hope you find a good fit and have a good time!

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Old Feb 3rd, 2019 | 09:07 AM
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I think you should consider taking the first trip to Italy solo. It sounds like your wife might not enjoy it however you do it. If you took the first trip by yourself you could 'scope it out', learn the ropes and then take your wife on the next trip - and you could be her guide. A couple of years ago I took a friend to Italy who had zero experience with international travel, but I had been to all the places we went (except a few day trips), had even stayed in the some of the same hotels. I knew the way the pubic transportation worked, where things were, how they were done. She had a great time but we both agreed it was due to my being her 'tour guide'. And I also had a great time, seeing those places through 'fresh eyes' and being her guide.

Take a lot of photos, write everything down, and when you come home give her a 'tour/preview' of what she'll see when you go together.

And while you are on your solo trip she can have a spa weekend or something. And you can bring her presents (jewelry and leather are great gifts from Italy),
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Old Feb 3rd, 2019 | 09:12 AM
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I think isabel has a good idea. OR book a trip to Italy on your own that roughly mirrors a tour package that your wife thinks she will enjoy. Then, when she goes ape over having to have her suitcase in the lobby of a hotel 10 kms outside of town at 7 am, driving by major sights, and eating lousy food with 60 other people, she can abandon the tour and join you.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2019 | 09:29 AM
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Maybe you could find a tour company that does individual itineraries. So you would work with them to come up with an itinerary that fits what you and your wife want to do. However, only you and your wife are on this tour. Have them give you a few hotels in each area to choose from. Tell them you want a central location for sightseeing. The tour company would take care of all your reservations. For example, transfers to and from train stations, airports etc. All your guided tours would be booked. All your transportation would be booked ahead of time. I'm thinking it would be custom or independent travel. It will cost more this way, but all your travel needs would be taken care of and only you and your wife would be on the trip.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2019 | 02:23 PM
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You have already got most advice I would have given and lots I had not thought of.
I will just include a bit from my own experiences. Wish your wife could understand that things can go wrong on a tour just the same as on your own, and when they do, you are in no position to fix them.

Because of circumstances, I have taken three, mostly bus, tours in Italy, France and Spain. While I enjoy almost any travel, I have to tell your wife that bus tours are the worst. Hours of time wasted seeing the country through the windows of a fast moving bus going down the highway is mostly horrible. Worse is being in the bus caught in a traffic jam. Though some do like them, HOHO bus tours through the middle of a city are equally bad.
At least, on a train, you have room to move around. Sometimes you have tables where you can eat, read, play a game, etc., and they are much faster than a bus.
A very big point for your wife: the three places you mention, Rome, Florence, Venice, are connected by very easy, fast trains. They go from city center to city center. Arriving in Venice and stepping out of the Santa Lucia Station to the sight of the Grand Canal right before you is surely a travel highlight.
Another point she might not realize is that DIY travel without a car is possible and easy in Europe, especally Italy, totally unlike the US where travel without a car in most places is actually impossible.

Where do you live? Can you take a short trip by bus so she would get a feeling for what it is like?

Besides just naming a few places, what are your wife's interests? Food, art, architecture, history culture, nature? Would she enjoy some hiking, cooking class, art museums, archeological sites? Perhaps, rather than a tour, you could visit one place with particular interests or experiences in mind: London with theater, museums, planned tours, etc., easier, one hotel, tours booked ahead.

I realize this is not the kind of tour you asked for and many will feel negative about the idea, but your wife might not and it could work for you to start. I still prefer DIY travel, but have done several cruises and enjoyed them a lot more than bus tours. At least you do the traveling at night, not during the day, leaving all the daylight hours for being in places. That is a huge plus! The same as a tour, you have to pick the right cruise line and an itinerary that has long days in port for sightseeing. You can choose to include an extra day or two in interesting places at the beginning and end. The cruise company can arrange that. It costs more than doing it yourself, but they can also arrange tours for each port. You could try it by doing a shorter, cheaper cruise from the US to the Caribbean, Mexico or the Bahamas. Caution, unless your wife is a party girl, don't do Carnival on a first cruise.
Not suggesting this one specifically, just an example of the possibilities.
https://www.vacationstogo.com/fastdeal.cfm?deal=35347
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Old Feb 3rd, 2019 | 03:01 PM
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Well... I don't know if I'm as stubborn as your wife. My husband always wanted to travel (had done a lot before I entered his life.) He finally persuaded me to take a trip to England. (Same language, etc. etc.) I've been traveling ever since. Became our chief trip planner.

If you feel you have to go the tour route go high end like Tauck. Otherwise you'll just give her ammunition to torpedo future travel.
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Old Feb 4th, 2019 | 08:47 AM
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Not sure if the OP is still around, but Cosmos offers À la Carte Tours that include only the basics - Tour Director, Hotel, Breakfast and Transportation from place to place. Optional tours and activities are offered. This kind of tour could be a good compromise between totally planned and organized and totally independent. I have NO experience with Cosmos Tours (or any others) so cannot recommend, but good friends did a Rick Steves "Bed, Breakfast and Bus" tour some years ago and enjoyed a lot of free time to make their own choices for meals and sightseeing. Now those RS tours are designated as "My Way" tours.
https://www.cosmos.com/Vacations/Cosmos-Lite/
https://www.ricksteves.com/tours/italy/my-way-italy
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Old Feb 4th, 2019 | 10:01 AM
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Mark: I also like to plan out my own vacations, but I have a friend who swears by https://www.europeandestinations.com/You can customize to your needs, pick out hotels, etc.
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Old Feb 4th, 2019 | 11:44 AM
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This sounds right up your alley. Rick Steves' Italy My Way. Small groups, intimate local hotels, days on your own to do as you please. Many of us can vouch for this company.

Edit - I see this has been mentioned already. Do look into it.

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