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Apr 27th, 2013, 08:31 AM
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car lease or hire
so here I am again seeking the advice from all you well travelled travellers!
I have a choice . . .
either car hire for one week france, train from perpignan to barcelona, ferry from Barcelona to Genoa and then pick up another car in italy for the week.
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lease a car for the three weeks
Some background info: I am travelling with hubby and my two children 2 and 4. The cost of the lease is just short of $3000
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3008 Select 2L GPSCielo Cuir Auto - a peugeot
I can't seem to find the cost of the train from perpignan to barcelona but from what I gather it might be cheaper to do the first option . .
What I am asking though is under the situation of being with the kids do you think the drive to Barcelona would be better? We are actually staying in Carcassonne before heading to Barcelona.
As always thank you in advance!
I have a choice . . .
either car hire for one week france, train from perpignan to barcelona, ferry from Barcelona to Genoa and then pick up another car in italy for the week.
or
lease a car for the three weeks
Some background info: I am travelling with hubby and my two children 2 and 4. The cost of the lease is just short of $3000
Compact - CFADD6PR
3008 Select 2L GPSCielo Cuir Auto - a peugeot
I can't seem to find the cost of the train from perpignan to barcelona but from what I gather it might be cheaper to do the first option . .
What I am asking though is under the situation of being with the kids do you think the drive to Barcelona would be better? We are actually staying in Carcassonne before heading to Barcelona.
As always thank you in advance!
Apr 27th, 2013, 08:46 AM
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Probably cheaper to rent in France and then rent in Spain and then in Italy, depending on the cost of the ferry--the train cost from Perpignan to Barcelona should be minimal. The lease option tends to front load all the basic costs such as car registration and insurance so that a three week lease will be more expensive than a rental, especially if you are willing to have your credit card carry the CDW ("basic" rental rate offered by www.kemwel.com which may or may not be available to you, depending on your country of origin). The differential might not be that great if you rent the car with full insurance and no deductible--which is the case of the lease, and is the case for rentals in Italy.
In addition, if you are not interested in visiting the French area between Barcelona and wherever you are going in Italy, you are paying for the time of the lease between the two points of your itinerary plus fuel plus housing. This may come out to be as much as the ferry (or low cost airline tickets) to Italy.
Finally, there is a shipping charge of US150+ (it varies according to location) for leaving a lease in a foreign country.
In addition, if you are not interested in visiting the French area between Barcelona and wherever you are going in Italy, you are paying for the time of the lease between the two points of your itinerary plus fuel plus housing. This may come out to be as much as the ferry (or low cost airline tickets) to Italy.
Finally, there is a shipping charge of US150+ (it varies according to location) for leaving a lease in a foreign country.
Apr 27th, 2013, 09:07 AM
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thanks! The ferry is booked so we wouldn't be driving from Barcelona to Italy . . I haven't found out what the added costs are for having a car now.
Glad to hear the train ride won't be much!
I imagine with only a few nights in Barcelona we wouldn't be needing the car anyway. It was more if people thought with the kids we would be better off spending a wee bit more for the lease so we didn't have to use the train . .train station ..in Barcelona with our luggage etc.
I think out of the whole trip Barcelona is where I am most worried about their etc and the thought of being a target with our luggage and kids etc.
Glad to hear the train ride won't be much!
I imagine with only a few nights in Barcelona we wouldn't be needing the car anyway. It was more if people thought with the kids we would be better off spending a wee bit more for the lease so we didn't have to use the train . .train station ..in Barcelona with our luggage etc.
I think out of the whole trip Barcelona is where I am most worried about their etc and the thought of being a target with our luggage and kids etc.
Apr 27th, 2013, 06:14 PM
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Agree, that's a groundless fear. But I have already pointed out to you on one of your multitudinous other threads that that vehicle you are renting is a monster, not necessary for your crew, really hard to navigate in towns and villages....and you are paying almost double what a Renault lease of a large station wagon, which would be infinitely easier to navigate where you're going, would be.
But of course it falls on deaf ears.
But of course it falls on deaf ears.
Apr 27th, 2013, 06:37 PM
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Have you checked Economycar rentals. I suspect they will be much cheaper than lease. Leasing used to be much preferable for costs but not for 3 weeks. I agree with St Cirq - have the most compact car you can manage. Check the child car seat carefully, as the one we were given initially was rubbish.
Apr 27th, 2013, 07:44 PM
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I agree StCirq that a staionwagon would be ideal but they aren't offering it in their lease..well not that I can see . . we went to a car yard yesterday and saw the car I listed above and it isn't a big people mover ..it's compact and the boot space has the same capacity as a normal sized car but it uses the roof space .. does that make sense? ..this is the one they offer and you were right that driveaway was $1000 more then autoeurope . . the cost is $2000 . . .and I also have to find out how much it would be to now add the car onto the ferry etc . . but for some reason I can't seem to find the train fare on the 16th July from Perpignan to barcelona to see what that cost would be etc.
My gut tells me lease! Just for the ease of having a car . .also this way if we felt like it we could do a drive/day trip somewhere in spain while in barcelona ...just a thought with the flexibility.
Thanks everyone . .please don't feel I don't listen to you. . I really do and this is why I have so many threads because you have really guided me through this trip!
My gut tells me lease! Just for the ease of having a car . .also this way if we felt like it we could do a drive/day trip somewhere in spain while in barcelona ...just a thought with the flexibility.
Thanks everyone . .please don't feel I don't listen to you. . I really do and this is why I have so many threads because you have really guided me through this trip!
Apr 27th, 2013, 08:03 PM
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You can't find the fares from Perpignan to Barcelona ON July 16 because there's work on the lines then, and service is disrupted. But WHY aren't you looking into Renault or Peugot leases instead of these expensive Aussie companies??
Cripes, a car rental to the Spanish border followed by a car rental in Spain would probably be cheaper, too.
Cripes, a car rental to the Spanish border followed by a car rental in Spain would probably be cheaper, too.
Apr 28th, 2013, 03:23 AM
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Oh wow St Cirq . . so does that mean we won't be able to get a train to Barcelona from there at all on that day? Ok... thanks for the link to Renault use . . .again saving me $1000! if I choose this option . . .looks like I can lease a car for 21days at $2000 . .no extra costs . .built in GPS.
We have 4 days in Barcelona . . .if we did have a car would you think we would use it to drive out from Barcelona to another place or do you think we will have more then enough to do in Barcelona without even needing the car.
We have 4 days in Barcelona . . .if we did have a car would you think we would use it to drive out from Barcelona to another place or do you think we will have more then enough to do in Barcelona without even needing the car.
Apr 28th, 2013, 07:28 AM
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I still do not understand the reason for a lease. The original post indicates three weeks: 1 in France, 1 or less in Barcelona, 1 in Italy: <i>either car hire for one week france, train from perpignan to barcelona, ferry from Barcelona to Genoa and then pick up another car in italy for the week.
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lease a car for the three weeks</i>
Are you planning to take the car on the ferry, or are you planning to lease for the three weeks but dump the car in Barcelona? If you need the car in France (not sure that you intend to do anything but drive straight through to Barcelona) and then a car in Italy, drop off the car in Barcelona and absorb the cross-border drop-off fee. Even with that, a one week rental in France and a one week rental in Italy should be cheaper than a three week lease.
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lease a car for the three weeks</i>
Are you planning to take the car on the ferry, or are you planning to lease for the three weeks but dump the car in Barcelona? If you need the car in France (not sure that you intend to do anything but drive straight through to Barcelona) and then a car in Italy, drop off the car in Barcelona and absorb the cross-border drop-off fee. Even with that, a one week rental in France and a one week rental in Italy should be cheaper than a three week lease.
Apr 28th, 2013, 07:36 AM
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Hi Michael ... you're right in the plans-one week+france, 4 nights Barcelona, 9days Italy
Yes we would plan on taking the car on the ferry if it was a lease
We are picking up a car for Sarlat and driving down to Carcassonne before Barcelona. I guess what we wanted to know is if there were driving trips worth taking from Barcalona or would we feel there was more then enough to do in our 4 night stay there and the ferry arrives at 7am and the car hire in Genoa won't open till 10am so we would have to kill some time rather then get moving straight away etc . .but in saying all that if a one week rental in France . .drop off in Barcelona and a one week/9day rental in Italy is cheaper than a three week lease but a lot ..the guess we will go with that.
Yes we would plan on taking the car on the ferry if it was a lease
We are picking up a car for Sarlat and driving down to Carcassonne before Barcelona. I guess what we wanted to know is if there were driving trips worth taking from Barcalona or would we feel there was more then enough to do in our 4 night stay there and the ferry arrives at 7am and the car hire in Genoa won't open till 10am so we would have to kill some time rather then get moving straight away etc . .but in saying all that if a one week rental in France . .drop off in Barcelona and a one week/9day rental in Italy is cheaper than a three week lease but a lot ..the guess we will go with that.
Apr 28th, 2013, 07:37 AM
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As I just posted on the other thread, RENFE shows the train for July 16, starting at 41 euros. I can't see any point in having the car in Barcelona, you would just be paying to park it. And I have already agreed with St. Cirq that the smaller the car in Europe the better. Nor am I in favor of putting luggage on the roof. Apart from wind drag, and the possibility of it not being a good set up and falling off, it is totally insecure when you park. All your luggage needs to be OUT OF SIGHT. Worry about that rather than pickpockets at the Barcelona train station. (And get money belts!) (And wear them properly...)
Apr 28th, 2013, 08:21 AM
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No, the $3,000 she was quoted from some Aussie leasing company was just for 3 weeks on the ground with the car (at least that's what she said on thread Number 29) - and did you look at the car? Could you drive that in small towns in Europe? And "on the wrong side of the road"? Nuts.
thursdaysd, did those trains show up on RENFE? The SNCF site won't give schedules or fares, saying there's construction on the line. Maybe once you get to the Spanish border you can continue, but can't do the France leg? I'll have to check again.
thursdaysd, did those trains show up on RENFE? The SNCF site won't give schedules or fares, saying there's construction on the line. Maybe once you get to the Spanish border you can continue, but can't do the France leg? I'll have to check again.
Apr 28th, 2013, 11:33 AM
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>>>>><i>also this way if we felt like it we could do a drive/day trip somewhere in spain while in barcelona </i>
You're kidding, right? You have 4 days in Barcelona with two toddlers and you want to drag them on yet another day trip? Just settle yourselves for a few days and relax. Good lord.
You're kidding, right? You have 4 days in Barcelona with two toddlers and you want to drag them on yet another day trip? Just settle yourselves for a few days and relax. Good lord.
Apr 29th, 2013, 11:31 AM
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I am happy that my teen age grandson gave you a few laughs on his quest for a pretty French girl in Paris.
For your pursuit of a car for your vacation I suggest you call AutoEurope toll free.
http://www.autoeurope.com.au/go/contact/
They are very reliable. They have both Peugeot leases and rentals for all the major companies.
http://www.autoeurope.com.au/go/car-hire/europe/
Here are the descriptions of the cars Claire is considering. Neither one seems too large to me.
http://www.autoeurope.com/peugeot-fl...ase-cars/3008/
http://www.autoeurope.com/peugeot-fl...ase-cars/5008/
On the lease be sure to ask them whether you can take the car on an international ferry. Some car leases and rentals prohibit this. Also find out the pick up and drop off charges for all the possibilities you are considering. They will tell you what cars are available where. Even if you do not use them for a final rental or lease you will find the info received very reliable and informative.
For your pursuit of a car for your vacation I suggest you call AutoEurope toll free.
http://www.autoeurope.com.au/go/contact/
They are very reliable. They have both Peugeot leases and rentals for all the major companies.
http://www.autoeurope.com.au/go/car-hire/europe/
Here are the descriptions of the cars Claire is considering. Neither one seems too large to me.
http://www.autoeurope.com/peugeot-fl...ase-cars/3008/
http://www.autoeurope.com/peugeot-fl...ase-cars/5008/
On the lease be sure to ask them whether you can take the car on an international ferry. Some car leases and rentals prohibit this. Also find out the pick up and drop off charges for all the possibilities you are considering. They will tell you what cars are available where. Even if you do not use them for a final rental or lease you will find the info received very reliable and informative.
