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After I get out of high school I want to take a trip across Europe. People have told me that you can just buy a plane ticket there, get a job, live in a city for a month or so, and then make your way to a new city & start over. Doing this, I would only have a little bit of money to get myself started and in case of emergencies. If you have heard of people doing this successfully please let me know some more information. I'm also wondering how easy it would be to get a job in Europe.

I will put it simple --- you're nuts !!!! :-) Seriously, I don't know where you live but if you have many illegals aliens in your area. Take a good look. That is you in Europe. Europe has very strict work permit laws and it would be very difficult as only a high school grad to obtain a permit. The second issue is that in most of the EU you can only three months without obtain a visa. It probably is not a very workable idea.

You got to be kidding me. You need to apply for a work permit, etc and get through all the barriers. Living in Europe isn't cheap, believe me. I think your best bet is to head over to Lonely Planet's Thorntree forum because I'm sure there's lots of similar topics regarding your question.

"I'm also wondering how easy it would be to get a job in Europe"

About 10 times as hard as it would be to get one at home.
Generally it is illegal for a US visitor to get a "job" in Europe. There are exceptions, but most require involved applications and permits.

Although I have seen young US vistors in Europe begging for money on the streets and living on park benches or hooking up with strangers. Some of them actually seem quite happy.

Graduation is a time to accept adult responsibilities. This includes accepting realities of life. It sounds great to bum around Europe enjoying the "good life", but every month you do it is a month off your eventual (US) career. Why?
IF (that's a very big if) you could get a job in Europe, given their unlike-in-America employment visas and restrictions, your primary competition for entry level jobs will be guys from Morocco or Jordan to whom $3.00/hour under the table is big pay.
Bite the bullet, go to college or trade school, earn money, and go to Europe when you're 40 and can afford the niceties of Europe, rather than living in a flophouse at 18.

Two years ago I had a conversation with two young men who were, literally, working their way around the world.

They had just finished working on a dairy farm in Norway and were on their way to Greece in order to find somesort of temporary employment there.

Before Norway they had worked briefly in the UK and prior to that in Canada.

They eventually planned to make their way back home to Australia.

Apparently it CAN be done but I have no idea how difficult it was for them.

They were enthusiastic about the whole experience. I wish I could offer more concrete information other than to say it isn't impossible.

I would think it would not be easy to get a job in Europe. I know people who have worked in the hotel in Munich since 1983. Also, I see the same ladies working in Herties and Kaufhof every time I'm in Munich. Same in Nice. I think the Europeons do not change jobs as often as the people in the states.

In general, it's not easy getting work on your own; you'd have to have some unique skill that would encourage a European employer to step over lots of unemployed Europeans just to hire you. But if you really want to work there, you might find a way. This organization places young adults abroad, often recruiting on college campuses - maybe it would be helpful to have a look:

http://www.icemenlo.com/index.shtml

But yeah, without a job, you'll probably enjoy yourself a lot more if you work for a while and save up before you go. If my 18-year-old daughter wanted to take some time off before college and do what you want to do, I'd tell her to postpone college, work during the summer while living at home, save her cash, and take a one-to-two month trip in October or November - then hit the books in the spring semester. I might even throw in a couple hundred bucks - travel is good education.

Maybe you're lucky and you've got parents like me?? Did you talk to them about your idea?

Check out BUNAC online- it is a program made for what in Europe is called the "gap year" after high school. There are both volunteer and work opportunities (limited I think to 6 months, and you don't need the usual Visas/permits because you are with this program). You have some resources through their offices to help you get started- you do need the plane fare and enough money to live on until you get the job or to your volunteer placement. Something like that will give you a "base" and a place to go for help if you need it. I think you should also check out "younger" message boards; (try the HI one) and at your local university, etc- I have a feeling most of us are at least old enough to be your parents, and most of us are not going to think it's a good idea!!!!!

What you've been told is wrong, a "pie-in-the-sky" idea someone who doesn't know any better-and who has probably never done it-has put into your head. Ideas and stories about this float around all the time.

There are thousands of people just like you heading for Europe next June with the same idea. The smart ones know that if there is any chance at all to find work it will be in the most popular tourist areas where the laws are largely ignored from May through August when it comes to the hiring of illegal foreign workers. These areas are getting harder and harder to find, especially with the European Union allowing EU citizens to work in any EU country they choose without problems.

One well-known "best kept secret" location where you might still find a job is the Greek island of Ios where employers hire foreign workers beginning in early May for work in bars, restaurants and hotels. Some jobs require skills, such as bartending. Some don't such as housecleaning, bed-making and handing out flyers at the ferry ports and trying to lure incoming tourists to stay at your employer's hotel or hostel, etc. These jobs pay very poorly, usually not enough to put a roof over your head and eat both, so if you decide to go for it be sure to bring some money with you. Chances are you won't get hired, but if you do you'll still need some backup $$$. The reality is that your chances are slim, but if you have a really strong desire to do it then you should try; just don't be too disappointed if it doesn't work. Good Luck.

You really do need to have access to funds before coming over here. As you have been told anyone from the EU can work in any country without a petmit. The EU now has some very poor eastern european members and as a result there are people working in western europe and the popular tourist places in the meditereanean fot less than 25 euro a day. SO dont think it will be easy and it really is illegal - get caught and you will get a criminal record which could come back and haunt you later in your career

Dukey-Were the guys you met from Australia? Residents of Commonwealth countries have different laws regarding whether or not they can work in the European Union. It's easier for them to get work permits. I've also met lots of travelers who work their way around the world, but most are from NZ or Australia and none from the US.

I think your information is about 20 to 30 years out of date, unfortunately. I did much the same thing many years ago, and stayed in France for 5 years. But, I applaud you for wanting to see the rest of the world - travel is the best education that you can get. But, how to do it on a budget like yours?

Have you considered something like the Peace Corps? I think they may require a college degree, or a skill. But, there are volunteer organizations that need people - do a search here and elsewhere for organizations like this one - World Wide Opportunities on Organic Farms, url www.wwoof.org. And, I'm sure there are many more. Google volunteer vacations Europe - I came up with a bunch of cool ideas where you wouldn't make any money, but your room and board would be paid for. Otherwise, the unemployment rate is much higher in Europe than it is here, so a regular, legal job would be tough.

The visa thing is also a tough one - I used to go to Figueras every few months when I was in Montpellier. I don't know how you would get around that.

Good luck to you, and don't let the negative comments here bring you down - there are legal, reasonable ways to accomplish what you want. Check Lonely Planet, that site is more in tune with your idea. I say go for it! The working world isn't going anywhere, and a few months living in Europe, or elsewhere would be great on a resume.

There are some ways to get a legal job in Europe as Momliz mentioned but these are not easy to come by. Most require special skills, some require some education. I also agree that travel is one of the best ways to educate yourself but make sure wherever you go to do it legally, be realistic and smart about it.

Of course, you can always stay where you are, work and save money instead. I have a friend who would work 6 months, save and then go to Europe for 6 months. He had a college degree and worked for temporary employment agencies so getting a job was not difficult. He did this for a good 5-7 years, and I know given the chance he will do it again.

Good luck!

If you're from the States forget it. If you're from Canada or another Commonwealth country and are under 30, there's a way.

Why is travel considered 'best education'?

Kristina, yes they were apparently Australia residents.

I notice few, if any of the answers above, included the word "impossible" or did I mis-read this?

I'm sure everyone is trying to be realistic; I can just imagine a few people here milking cows!

Best idea, IMO, assuming you don't plan to go straight into further education, is to work for a year, save like crazy, and then take a long holiday in Europe. If you do go to university, there are lots of study abroad programs these days.

As others have said, Western Europe is awash with immigrants from the new EU countries who can work here legally. Many are highly skilled and educated, but willing to take menial jobs at low wages just to get a foot in the door. The old EU countries are so worried about this they are placing restrictions on new member countries like Bulgaria and Romania.

Hi Ash,

I do know of people who've found jobs in Europe (unskilled ones) on a temporary basis without a work permit, but it's not a sensible way to go. WHen you're not working legally you won't have enforceable employment rights, so if you work for a fortnight then the employer refuses to pay you there's nothing you can do. Also, as previously mentioned, the pay rate will be dreadful and it'll be difficult to pay for decent accommodation.

If you can get a work permit that's different of course.

I completely understand wanting to do a long trip to Europe and think it's an excellent idea to broaden your horizons before going to college. But a more practical way to do it would be to get a temporary job in the US (I assume that's where you're from), work as many hours as you can for a month or so to save up, then go to Europe with enough money to pay for the trip. You'll also have time to see a lot more of Europe if you're not working while you're there.

Ash, I think that perhaps you may be a little naieve, however I do think some people here are being a little bit unfair to you.

There are plenty of Americans working here in the UK for many reasons.

Have a look at this site Ash, http://www.britainusa.com/visas/

I think it is do-able, but certainly not quite as easy as you may perceive it to be.

There are many countries where fruit picking type work is avaialable too, I know people who have done this for a while and moved around for months at a time.

As others have said, Australians can move around the commonwealth relatively easily.

I think you should read the pages on the website and ask them the questions, we here are probably not the best qualified to give you constructive and accurate advice.

Good luck

Muck

I suggest you finish your grad & then think of embarking on an amitious plan like yours.Primarily getting employment in an alien country is virtually next to impossible.You'll have to register with the immigration authorities.You'll have to mention your area of specialization (academic & work ).Depending on the availability, in your area of expertise,quantum of work visas allocated etc.,you will be notified.That means it would take a long time.Most of the European contries are infact cutting back on employing foreign manpower.
The latest case-Qualified Doctors of Indian origin(who have been working in UK for the last few yrs) have lost the case in the British courts,have been asked to leave.
A better way to experience other countries are thru student exchange programs.Rotary International and other voluntary organizations do send students abroad.Ask your local student counsellor for advice.
Trust me.Europe can be hell if you don't have the money.

It is possible - although illegal - to do what you want - if you're adventurous enough, willing to work at almost anything, go hungry at times and are not particular about what you eat or where you stay.

Also - in most counries it will be extremely difficult to get andy job - even illegal ones - without a smattering of the language - so I hope you're good at picking them up.

You first challenge is a one-way ticket. If you land with one and are young with backpack most immiration officials will require to know 1)exactly where you'll be staying, 2)how much money you have to supoort yourself (credit card, bank account info as well as cash), and 3) when and how you will leave their country (ie a rail pass or other proof of intended exit). This is because one of their main goals is to keep people from doing what you want out of their country (and becoming a charge on their scoail service and medical system).

If your answers are unsatisfactory you will likely be returned to the the US on the next plane at your own cost.

Considering how naive you seem to be about this I would think Immigration will spot you in about 30 seconds.

If you really intend to try this:

1)read as much about it as you can and make realistic plans (ie having several thousand in the bank to fall back on if you need it)

2)make sure there is someone at home to send you money when you run out so you don;t starve

Oh - and keep in mind that in europe almost everything costs more than in the US (unless you're living in NYC).

My niece lived and worked in London through BUNAC about five years ago. They get the work permit and visa for you. They have an office and will do an orientation, but finding the job and living arrangements are up to you.

She was with a friend and through postings at BUNAC, they hooked up with a couple of guys from the US and the four of them managed to find a two bedroom flat they could afford. As it turns out, the boys didn't have to work and were off traveling most of the time, paid the rent to have a "base", but the girls had the place to themselves most of the time. Finding an affordable place was not easy.

My nephew went twice around the world. The first time he traveled with a girl from Australia, who was visiting in the US. SHE was able to get the work permit etc. for living in the UK. They ended up living up over a pub and they let my nephew work there under the table. I'm not advocating this, by the way, just stating the facts. He had a sort of "in" because of his travel mate. If he had been on his own, I don't think it would have been possible. I don't really know all the particulars for the rest of their trip. I do know they were in Ireland for quite some time and then from there were in Greece, and then he was in Australia for awhile...I'm thinking he was in each place until his visa ran out.

My neice had to get the "hell out of Dodge" when her visa ran out in London. She went to Greece for a couple of weeks and then had to come home.

1. If you have foreign exchange students in your school, start making friends.
2. Go to a college that focuses on international studies.
I made a friend from Brazil and got connections to teach English (under the table) in Brazil for a summer. I came home for 1 week (to fix a broken nose!) and found out my friend in the Netherland's had found a 5 months internship for me at a resort where her sister worked. I happened to go to a college that was trying to become more international so they paid for my trip and gave me some money to live on plus 18 credit hours at a 4.0 for writing a paper about it when I returned. After college I started working for an American retailer and in about 18 months was able to work for them in Europe for 6 months with tons of time off for traveling. When I came home I was planning on continuing my international work until I met my wife and put some of my own desires on the backburner. I didn't start traveling like this until I was 21 (I did move to Hawaii for college for a year directly out of high school, planned that about 2 months out) and wished I would have started at 18. Keep your dream alive, just do some research and make some friends, get the jobs before you go.
OH! I did have a friend that tried it your way, she ended up as a cook on some scuzzy boat in Greece for a while and then got some other scummy jobs here and there but was miserable and broke most of the time. Ran into another girl in Mallorca who was on vacation and decided not to go home so she had been working in a bar under the table for a couple months, she was getting along fine.

This reminded me of something that happened to an aquaintance.
He was in mid-40's, working for the World Bank, a French citizen with homes in 3 countries including the US.
He was leaving Bali for the US via Hong Kong and forgot to bring his ticket for the US to France leg of the trip.
The officials at the Bali airport allowed him to leave for Hong Kong. He was met at the gate when the plane landed in Hong Kong and needed to provide documentation that he had purchased a ticket to France before he could depart for the US.

I'm a little disappointed that so many people have told you it can't be done. I agree with jeremygil, keep the dream alive. There is a way to do this, I think you just need to plan a little more and not let it be so spontaneous. The only person I've known to do something like this without any planning ended up having ALOT of money wired to him from home while he was over there.

I think that by working with groups like BUNAC or even checking with American companies who do business in Europe (airlines, multinationals) you might be able to at least have something small lined up before you depart. You might end up flipping burgers at a London McDonalds, but hey, that counts!

I think the people who have had the most success doing something like this had something very basic lined up, worked to make a little money over there, and then spent alot of weekends or a month or two at the end of thier job exploring.

At least you're going in the summer when tourist put some demand on temporary labor. If you were going in the offseason, I'd think it would be really hard.

Just have to add something re: the advice to wait until you're older.

Travelling around Europe on a tiny budget when you're in your late teens is fab. There are loads of like-minded people in the hostels you'll stay in, and you're young enough to have the stamina to stay out clubbing every night until 4am and still get up at 9 for sightseeing. Once you finish college and get into stuff like careers, pensions and mortgages, taking long holidays gets more difficult, slumming it in hostels gets far less appealing and you start physically losing the stamina to party like you can at 19.

In summary, GO FOR IT, NOW. Just tweak the financial planning a bit first.

Just heard an interview on NPR with Rick Steves. His son went to europe, had a great time, and stuck to a budget of $50.00 us dollars per day. That might be a good yardstick. This did not include the eurail pass that his Dad threw in. Also he was travelling with a companion which may have cut down on some costs. Goodluck with this. As long as you have good exit strategy, why not go for it!

Hi ash,

As noted, you're about 30 yrs too late.

You mightbe able to swing about a month of hosteling.

Try the thorntree forum at www.lonelyplanet.com.

You'll find people there closer to your own age.

Good luck.

((I))

I forgot to mention, my niece and nephew both used their credit cards, and both of them had some partial "bail out" from their parents. I am NOT trying to be a "wet blanket", just telling you the realities. There are many ways to approach this so no need to give up your dream, but you DO need a little planning. Also, I would say to be sure you have a round trip ticket. Frankly, I don't care how young you are, I don't think you would want to be stuck over there with no job, no place to sleep, no money and no ticket. I don't think I'm being pessimistic, just practical.

If you are rounded up as an illegal alien wokring in France sans papiers...they will introduce you to the Guillotine.. or something nearly as bad..

Nuff said..

I am surprised no one has mentioned the sites dedicated to the whol "gap year" concept. Do a Google search and you will find loads if internet resources.

There's this organization if you want to do volunteer work on an organic farm (in Europe or elsewhere) in exchange for room and board.
http://www.wwoof.org/

I have heard of people who managed to get waiter jobs in the UK (leaving from Canada), but these were arranged through legit permits. It's easier for Commonwealth citizens than Americans (which I presume you are).

Another possibility is working on a cruise ship. I know of someone who was a musician and did this.

Just arriving in Europe with no leads is a bad idea. Carefully researching various possibilities and having various options open (and as much of a nest egg as possible) can make this work for you.

Also check http://www.vagabonding.net .

Gap Year's work best when

a) mummy & daddy can bankroll you and/or
b) you can get a Working Holiday Visa for a country - for Americans I believe the only option is New Zealand

Why don't you try working your way across the United States instead? There are plenty of great places to see.

Thank you all so much for your help. Just for the record, i have talked to my parents about this and they support my idea my finances for the trip, i was planning on purchasing a round trip ticket just in case, and also in fact trying to figure out how to apply for a traveller's visa (I'm not a complete idiot !). Your links and such helped me a lot, I've made a lot of progress in the last week and I am even more excited now (I was starting to get discrouraged by some comments). I even thank the people who don't think that this is a good idea, you make me want to do it even more, to prove that it is possible!! wish me luck! :) :)

By "travellers visa" do you mean one that will allow you to do some casual work whilst you holiday.

If so then they don't exist for Americans in Europe - with the restricted exception of BUNAC

If not, then for most European countries you don't need a visa or it's issued when you arrive.

Note also that for non-EU/EEA folk working visas are issued per country and don't give you the right to work in (or visit) any other country

Visit Lonely Planet's forum called The Thorn Tree. There are many more posters of your generation and mind-set there.

Are you a US citizen? I ask because part of the ease or difficulty in getting legal working papers depends on your citizenship in the first place.

I agree LP Thorn Tree is a better forum for this sort of question. Somehow, though, I expect you will get the same answers in less polite language.

When my daughter finished school she took a year off before university (gap year). She worked for six months, holding down two jobs, and saved enough to finance a five month trip to India, Nepal, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, and the USA before returning to England. You can do that too, but don't rely on income from illegal work in Europe that may never even materialize.

As long as the parents are available to bail someone out when they run out of money, etc., then I guess you can try. However, I would say there is no way in the world that a person right out of high school is going to get some job in Europe by contacting multinational companies in the US. It's hard enough for adults with education and skills to do that, but a high school grad with neither isn't going to get far with that.

I think it is legal for a student to get a work permit in Europe, even an American, for a limited time period within a certain time from graduating. I know there used to be not that long ago, so I'd check into that, but this is work to arrange that (and I think you have to get a job within some time period), it isn't for people who want to float around Europe changing jobs all the time.

The only people I know who have done something even remotely related to this arranged an internship ahead of time or knew someone, and they had college degrees.

I think there is info on how to do this on www.transitionsabroad.com It has sections on volunteer work, study, and internships or student work.