An excellent source for train info is

http://www.seat61.com/

Why don't you post a specific request for assistance with train info, including the cities, routes, etc?

This request asked for input on your itinerary - I think you got what you asked for . . . .

"Please let us know is this itinery doable or its to hectic?? Planning to use train as our main transportation... Any suggesstion are highly appreciated as we r totally blind in this!! We need some serious insights n advices!! Thanks in advance"

Specify trains and you'll get train info - but keep in mind you'll probably get another dose of caution about your plans, which is likely getting very frustrating for you.

I think travelers have been hesitant to provide specific advice, thereby approving or agreeing with your plan, when they have serious reservations about it.

Having said that, we usually rent cars on our travels, so I am unable to offer any advice on preferred routes or other concerns.

And, whatever you decide, I hope your trip is everything you want it to be.

Maybe you could leave some parts of the trip unplanned? I mean not make reservations or paid in advance for some of the cities. So once you get started, and you find out how nearly impossible your plan is, you could modify it and cut out some of the destinations... even after you're already in Europe and started with this trip.

I'm sorry but the number of countries, cities, stops you have and the number of days just doesn't match up in reality.

You wrote: "Please let us know is this itinery doable or its to hectic?? Planning to use train as our main transportation... Any suggesstion are highly appreciated as we r totally blind in this!! We need some serious insights n advices!!" So your inquiry was NOT about trains in the first place, but about your itinerary. I wonder why you're making so many people investing their valuable time in order to give valuable advice, if in the end, you and your friends are simply ignoring what everybody said, and go on as if nobody had said anything.

portiaperu : yea i know everyone is against me, thats why i asked if theres anyone in this forum really want to help me out with the train planning, please do email me in private. wont post any itinery here again as that will get me "another dose of caution about your plans" ahahah

ellenem : yes i ve read that website throughly, i just need someone (who really knows about euroupe train) to talk/chat/discuss about my itinery.., is it better to take trains, or rent a car, or plane, etc etc

suze : we cant leave some parts unplanned.. we decided to go with this itinery so we have to plan it n do it. but thanks for the thoughts..

<<ive read seat61 and the all the trainschedules website and all websites about europe and based on that i made a detailed itinery on what to do each day on hourly basis (the one i posted here is only the big picture, what day where to go)>>

<<I was kinda hoping if this forum could help me with more info about train connections/booking from 1 city to another rather than "hushing" my itinery.. But its ok i can understand why everyone did so hehe.>>

<<Really need help with the train planning, if theres anyone in this forum would like to help me please email me [email protected] i would be really glad>>

Sorry to be so blunt, but you do not make sense.

franco & everyone : soryy if my post has wasted ur valuable time, i truly am T_T sory.. dont think that we dint take into consideration of these posts, we did, we take out viena, prague, lucerne, milan, so we can have at least 2 nights in each cities.

I don't have any train advise but I do think if you are overwhlemed with planning such a detailed trip that you might want to consider a tour instead. There are many companies that specialize in all-over Europe trips that will give you a taste for several countries. They take care of the transportation, hotels, etc and you can enjoy your honeymoon. I am sure others on here can recommend tour companies but here is one from Rick Steves (just an option): http://tours.ricksteves.com/tours10/...code/EUR10/212

Good luck.

Or perhaps this entire post is a scam and we are all wasting our time.

Meihan83, Part of the fun of traveling is planning. You can plan train journeys easily enough by googling.
If planning this trip makes you feel overwhelmed, imagine taking it.

I agree with trvlgirlmq, there is no shame in taking a tour. Tours are perfect for some and not perfect for others.

You have this idea of what a great story, "getting lost in Europe" would be, but in reality, it seems your not fond of map work.

How are you going to deal with language issues when you are lost?

I'm concerned that if you want others to do your planning, then this may not be the trip for you.

There are plenty of traveling stories some are fun and others are not. IMHO, after listening to and reading trip reports, personal preparation makes a great trip.

I may as well add that another thing that makes a really good written trip report is really good writing that is spelled correctly and well edited.

Meihan83,

Can you post your revised itinerary in the same form as you posted your original one in your first post? We can offer better transportation advice about your revised itinerary if we can see the revised plan listed clearly that way.

I think it has the hint of troll.

Could be a scam. But here's my final advice to meihan83 -- or anyone blessed with youth, money and enthusiasm, looking for adventure by undertaking an itinerary like this::

Don't book hotel reservations you can't cancel without penalty on 24 hours notice.

Carry at least one cell phone so you can cancel your hotel and other reservations as needed.

Do not travel without trip insurance for everyone in your party.

ok posting a new topic..

Why would anyone think that Meihan83 is a troll? Other than just young and crazy and a little lazy.

Meihan83, assuming that you are from the USA, if someone from Europe were to come to you and say that they had 50 days in the USA and they wanted to visit all 48 mainland states would you recommend it or would you try hard to talk them out of it knowing that it is possible but they would miss out on all the great things and sights the country has to offer? They would spend the majority of their time traveling and not seeing anything. That is basically the kind of trip you are taking.

You're going to be able to brag that you've been to all of these cities and countries on your list but you won't remember anything about them or what makes them unique and different from the others at a deeper level. But, if that is what is important to you I hope it meets your dreams. Good luck!

<suze : we cant leave some parts unplanned.. we decided to go with this itinery so we have to plan it n do it.>

WHY? Why in the world to you "have to". That statement makes absolutely no sense.

No one is "against you". You asked for our help. We have given it. You choose to ignore it.

LSky on Jul 28, 10 at 6:47pm
Why would anyone think that Meihan83 is a troll?

That's one possibility.

Other than just young and crazy and a little lazy.
That's another (maybe a little more likely) possibility.

She mentioned they are from Indonesia. So I'm guessing English perhaps not her first language? I don't think she's a "troll". I think it's for real, but for whatever reason they don't really want to accept the advice being offered.

"for whatever reason they don't really want to accept the advice being offered.'

That's the puzzle, 20 people give someone reasonable advice and they say, "nope, we're determined to do it this way."

The other problem they now have shared on their other thread is budget!! They are allowing only 42 euro per night for hotel per person and 28 euro per day for their entire food budget per person.

for whatever reason they don't really want to accept the advice being offered.'

That's the puzzle, 20 people give someone reasonable advice and they say, "nope, we're determined to do it this way.">>

I suspect that the fact that they are from Indonesia explains a lot. they are simply unable to imagine the problems and obstacles that await them, a bit like a european who's never been to the american continent being unable to imagine the distances involved. for example, on our first trip we walked off the plane in toronto, strapped our 1 year old into the car seat of our hire car, and drove out into an EIGHTEEN LANE HIGHWAY. we drove 4 hours up the side of Lake Ontario with jetlag. we just had no conception, when we booked it, how mad we were. it took us about 5 minutes to realise that we'd dropped a clanger, but we were committed [and ought to have been committed too].

sometimes, it is impossible to understand what mistakes we are making until we have made them.

<That's the puzzle, 20 people give someone reasonable advice and they say, "nope, we're determined to do it this way.">

This might be comprehensible had the advice given been unsolicited. But the real puzzle is why they would even ask for advice if they are set on ignoring it.

I'm just reading out of interest now...all posts urging changes are being ignored, so now I am just enjoying the post...

True enough, franco. Yet, it explains why people have to rubber neck at a traffic accident or people in horror movies still open the door when you're screaming, "don't go in there!!!"

annhig, we're trying to tell them about the 18 lane highway.

The OP is not totally ignoring the suggestions. Take a look at the new thread with the new itinerary. All those night trains in a row have been eliminated. Most of the stops are for two or three nights—immensely better. However, the new addition to see Ireland and Scotland 2.5 days total is getting a lot of attention.

However, the new addition to see Ireland and Scotland 2.5 days total is getting a lot of attention.>>

not from me. I've given up. they finally listened to people about the night trains etc, but then they decided that they could see Ireland in a day and half, and walk on water between Ireland and Scotland.

they have to find their own 18 lane highway.

ellenem - they are ignoring anyone that suggests changes to the crazy UK itinerary - read the other post - she is not responding to anyone that suggests its CRAZY!

Anyways, its their trip so they should spend it how they like to. I still find this whole post entertainig :)

"and walk on water between Ireland and Scotland.
they have to find their own 18 lane highway."

You have to admire this kind of optimism

Okay, now I'm confused. With a 42 Euro per person per night budget, how can they include the 510 Euro castle stay mentioned earlier? And, do all four plan to bunk together to save money--on a honeymoon? These folks are awfully naive to be mid-thirties. The poster acts more like an older teen, especially with the texting lingo she uses. Perhaps we should try to be patient, if possible. She really needs all the help she can get--even if she doesn't want it.

I just booked my brother and SIL into Ashford Castle for one night and it was 375E. This is one hotel she mentions specifically, and which would eat up about a week's worth of the accommodation budget, which her husband is supposedly responsible for planning.

There have been lots of statements in direct conflict to others she made over the course of the threads.

And the honeymoon thing really has me wondering, hence my questioning whether any of it is legitimate.

I daresay that 4 people tied at the hip for 23 days of racing through Europe would experience a good bit of strain on their interpersonal relationships. I often plan trips and travel with friends to Europe but always leave lots of time for my husband and I to do our own thing as too much togetherness is not always a good thing.

Where is that thread about the Trafalgar itinerary - that should do the trick!

I cant believe a hoaxer would keep going for so long, but I do find the text speak a little disconcerting.

I already suggested that she read the Trafalgar itinerary.
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...-tours-omg.cfm

It didn't help, I think all it did on her new thread was to get her hopes up about Ireland. Didn't read about the castle stay. Oh well, it's been amusing.

Me too jamekins.....I was on last night it was 73 post, so this morning I looked and holy cow....it is the weirdest thing. There may be a bit of yanking going on here. Personally I will check back and see because it is amusing at this point but I am not putting much thought into it now, they are on their own....

Franco - I was thinking the same thing! Fodor's is even funnier than usual this morning. I think I'll need less coffee.

If her budget for this trip works out for the OP, I want her to plan my next trip.

<<If her budget for this trip works out for the OP, I want her to plan my next trip.>>

Doubtful she will admit it when/if it does not after all these posts.

In my experience :-)...

If I visit a lot of museums, historical sites, outstanding restaurants or even new places back to back to back, it's as if my brain gets overwhelmed with so many new things at once and no longer see or experience all these amazing things with "fresh eyes." What would have normally been a once in a lifetime experience is now just part of a big blur of activity. It's almost as if I am just pushing through the days to keep on schedule and do everything on the itinerary.

In my travels, it's the unplanned, unexpected, last minute things that often create the most special memories. It was wandering around a small town, start a conversation with a local shop keeper and being invited to a family dinner. It was the conversations with complete strangers who took the time to tell me all the great little spots only the locals know about - the free concerts, the best coffee shops, the best place for a picnic - those types of things.

And most importantly, it's your honeymoon. What I mean by that is wedding planning and the wedding day is usually a bit stressful and can be exhausting. Take some time to relax, to do nothing and just enjoy being together.

That's my two cents. I wish you and your spouse much happiness and a wonderful honeymoon.

Beautifully put, SAT. one glorious year, we took our kids to Rome, florence and Venice, for separate weeks each time, each about 6 months apart. I can just about remember what I saw where, but at the time, when we left Rome, I was sated with art and culture. if we'd gone straight onto Florence, I'd have been completely confused. the brain needs time and space to absorb what it's seeing, especially when you're seeing things which are new.