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The risk of renting an apartment can in no way compare to the "risk" of reserving at a hotel. Even if you were to arrive to a "shell" hotel, the next day you could find another hotel and move. You ahve not made a sizable investment in an apt. rental.
Actually, the thing that holds me back from renting an apt. or house is the fact that it will look great in the pictures but in real life it'll be a dump! |
I'm sorry, but I keep my stance on Western Union. From their website :
" Western Union vous déconseille d'envoyer de l'argent à quelqu'un que vous ne connaissez pas. Transférez de l'argent uniquement à des individus que vous connaissez personnellement ou dont vous pouvez vérifier l'identité. Si vous achetez des biens ou services et que vous utilisez le réseau Western Union pour régler vos achats, vous le faites à vos risques et périls. Western Union ne recommande pas l'utilisation de son service de transfert d'argent dans le cadre de relations commerciales avec un inconnu et décline toute responsabilité quant à la non livraison ou à la qualité des biens et services. Western Union interdit le recours à ses services de transfert d'argent pour le règlement d'achats effectués sur des sites d'enchères en ligne. N'envoyez pas d'argent à un bénéficiaire utilisant un faux nom. Vous ne serez pas protégé si vous achetez un bien ou service à quelqu'un que vous ne connaissez pas." In other words : they couldn't care less if you send money "lightly". They might be reasonably safe in France where their representative is la Poste, but in other countries, you have no way to check that the receiver will have to display sufficient proof of ID. |
I have rented two apartments in Paris through homelidays and both times I was very happy with the experience. Each time I contacted several owners and eventually made a decision after a fairly long correspondence which ( I felt) gave me a good feel for the personality I was dealing with. I rejected one apartment because the deposit seemed outrageously large - 1200 euros.
I am about to rent another apartment for four weeks next spring and am still debating. Luckily my daughter is currently studying in Paris. Last week I hesitantly asked 2 of the owners if it would be OK for her to take a look at their apartments to help me make a decision, and was surprised that they very readily agreed. (She liked one, hated the other) Hey, it just occured to me - this could be a business opportunity for my daughter - independent assessments of prospective rental apartments! (Just kidding) Sorry about your bad luck, mwiars, and thanks for the heads up. I wish you would post more details of the apartment which was fraudulently advertised. |
Interestingly mwiars hasn't answered a lot of questions posed to him on this thread and these are his only posts.
If his story is true I think the point is not that others have had success with this company but that the guarantee, which would have been enough to attract my trust as well, did nothing to protect him. |
Maybe a troll from a competing company?
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Yes it is hard to tell since he posted on TA and Frommers and maybe on other forums... He might be busy reading all the answers!
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I don't understand what mwiars is up to.
He claims he's sent money and had it stolen. But Western Union has a photocopy of the alleged criminal's French ID card. So why hasn't mwiars simply reported the theft to the police? Incidentally, one very simple precaution you can all take when sending money this way. There's a space on the Western Union form for the payee's ID number. Ask them for it before sending the money: that way they know you know. And I've never known Western Union local franchisees be anything other than absolute bastards for meticulously checking that a payee's ID matches the details the sender has supplied perfectly. I once spent three days getting a payment through when I put the payee's first two names in the wrong order. |
I totally agree w/ flanner re western union. Have had to send funds to a neer do well brother (only a slight exaggeration) overseas a few times and each time the ID requirements were extremely stringent.
mwiars story totally confuses me. Often when a first timer posts this sort of rant I question the motivations, but am usually shot down that "newbies can give valid warnings too . . . ." But this one does smell. When I've dealt w/ homelidays landlords there have been multiple e-mails/phone calls and things sorted out to a T before any money changed hands. Of course there could be a crook on there - but w/o more feedback from mwiars - just count me as a skeptic . . . . |
<<sorry to insist, but the problem with in fact non-existent rentals is almost the same with hotels. I'm sure you, too, will have heard countless stories about hotels booked that turned out to be merely shells of buildings on arrival, still far from being finished >>... Franco
Countless stories of people booking shells for hotels???? I have never heard of such a story, but the risk is obviously less for a hotel as you can leave. I rarely prepay hotel bills, though, and would never prepay an entire hotel bill for a hotel I have never heard of and wasn't well known (which would have to be the case for a shell). I have prepaid hotels twice in my life, places I knew for years, because I got a good discount for that. I haven't ever dealt with a private owner and said that, but I never made any recommendation to anyone about what they should or shouldn't do. In fact, contrary to someone's complaint that people were recommending that one only rent from agencies, I don't see anyone recommending that. I see everyone simply stating what they do and why, which is all I did. I have my reasons for what I do, as do others, and what I am comfortable with. I don't personally care about vacation apts. that much, I generally think they are too much trouble and too expensive in comparison to hotels, but I don't have a lot of the desires many people have who must rent apts when on vacation for less than two weeks. I am a cautious person by nature, it is true, but that has served me well on many levels. I also won't send cash for apts., either, I have only dealt with agencies that accepted credit cards. One agency I used in France did want a cashier's check for some deposit, as I recall, but I know that agency (have been in it, physically) and it's been around for many years, so I trust them. I would trust a private owner if I had some recommendations from someone I trusted as to the experience (not just reading a blind recommendation from their own website from someone who could be them), even if it were someone I knew from Fodors. It is kind of funny mwjars hasn't commented on these things. I am a skeptic, but I'm not one of those who claims posts are made up just because I don't agree with the position, and I tend not to believe posts are made up that have such unusual and specific details. I don't think people do such things, and see no purpose to people making up very specific unusual posts. If someone just wanted to be a troll on the internet, there are much more interesting and easy ways to do it. I do think that sometimes when you see complaints from a newcomer, that the story may be true to some extent, but that sometimes the details are distorted or things are ommitted to make it look in their favor (not this case, but certain consumer complaints on here have been like that). |
Well, I agree with those recent posters who wondered why mwiars doesn't show up anymore to answer the posts on this thread, so I think it may be wise not to continue this discussion. I just want to make one point clear, since I obviously didn't explain that well enough (see the posts of Christina, WillTravel or cruiseluv): the "shell" hotels! This, of course, works ONLY with entirely prepaid holidays - it's a typical package holiday fraud. You've prepaid at your travel agency for everything: flight tickets, accomodation, full pension; typically, it's a "brand new" hotel, the catalogue pictures are splendid, and it seems logical that there are no reviews on the web (not to speak of the fact that package holidays are very often booked by less experienced travelers who might not use sites like Fodor's or TripAdvisor!). So, the problem is exactly that the victims of these frauds have prepaid sizeable amounts; and that they cannot easily change the hotel after one night - first because it's a question of money, second because all hotels around may be booked, third because those less experienced travelers might not be able to help themselves. This is really a recurring, and all-too-well-known, problem for
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...ooops, hit the "post" button erroneously, sorry. A recurring consumerism problem, I wanted to say - way more often to be encountered than problems with fraudulent apartment owners, but really WAY more often (at least in the consumerism sector, maybe due to the fact that, as I tried to point out, package tourists typically are less able to help themselves, e.g. by using forums like this one).
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Wow franco - I have never heard of this. I, unlike Christina, often prepay a deposit to a hotel or register my CC. I do try to do my homework. I would think that anyone not willing to do so would be safer to go through a travel agent but that is counter to your post.
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Yes, I am with Franco-I recall a very well known fraud that caught out toursts that booked pre-paid package holidays to this fabulous looking place, "brand new" in Turks and Caicos some years ago. But mwiars situation was different and I am still unsure as to whether he was an innocent victim or a PO'd ex-employee or some such variation.Guess we'll never know for sure...
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Hotels are often not as good as advertised, but I can't see that type of package holiday fraud happening in my case (or most people here):
1) We would generally pay by credit card, so could likely get a refund. 2) In my case, if I were to book such a deal, I would use a provincially certified travel agency, which is required to pay into a provincial fund meant to deal with such cases. I'm sure this could have happened quite easily back in the day when if people paid by cheque or money order and did not have easy access to the Internet for information. Nowadays any "new" hotel would have a whole chain of Internet press releases behind it. |
OK, OK. Give me a break some of you. It's the holidays and I'm busy shopping for my family and finishing up some reservations for Rome.
First and foremost, thanks to many good ideas. For instance, this is the first time I've used Western Union. I plan on contacting them right after Christmas now knowing the ID required to pick up money overseas. I also plan on contacting the Austrian police since the money was wired and picked up in Austria since the owner implied he was a doctor and had some rental properties in Paris (this is not too uncommon, I have a business associate that rents his condo in Manilla and another that rents his condo in Florida). I initially posted on Frommers. If you check, you will see I have used them to ask questions of others regarding Italy and southern France since I am unfamiliar with that part of Europe. I was emailed and asked by others to also post on Fodors and SlowTravel since other posters thought the comments contained good advice. I thought those requests were reasonable. I've only started to use these forums which is the reason I don't have many posts. In fact, I didn't even knew they existed until a couple of months ago when I Googled something and Frommer's travel forum came up. I usually travel on business and know my way around those places. I find this true for most business travelers and don't find too many posts in this area so I am not much use there. This time, however, I am taking my family on a month's trip to Europe next summer. This will be the last family trip we will probably take together since my oldest daughter will be going off to college. I was using the Frommers forum to ask some questions. I know I can learn from others to avoid repeating their mistakes and to glean information for a fun trip. A contract was electronically signed. The house advertised was at: For the house situated in 12 Rue de Castiglione, Paris (F). The owner's name was/is: Mr. and Mrs. Reynat, 29 Kaerntnerstrasse,1040 Wien Osterreich I'm sure others have had good experiences with Homelidays. I did not give up on Homelidays at first. After the initial fraud, however, I became more aware of owners' replies which I now see is a common suggestion. I found at least 3 other 'owners' responses very suspicious. I used to speak German fluently in high school and college. I know grammar, etc. can get lost in translations and I assumed (wrongly) that what might have and should have been original concerns, I wrongly chocked up to simple translation differences. Too trusting, by fault. I did Google "homelidays" and didn't find too much. I hope these good posts from everybody will now help others just to be very cautious, and like suggested by others, go slow, ask a lot of questions and try not to send cash. This was my first time trying to rent an apartment. I thought I had done all my research. If it could happen to me, it could happen to any other new renter. I have a family of 5 which others know is difficult to find a room for in Europe. Sometimes even hard to find 2 rooms for 5 in Europe (including some Hiltons). In Paris, I eventually found Fraser Suites, Harmonie – Paris La Defense. It's a little ways up the Metro but acceptable and priced similar to an apartment. It's right next to a Metro stop. Through my business, I can receive free Disney tickets. We are staying for several days at Marriott's Village d'lle-de-France. In London, I found family accommodations at the Hilton London Metropole. Yes, I am upset. I think anybody would be with the aforementioned information. I did everything I thought was prudent and reasonable and I still got ripped off. It's not thousands but $600 is still $600. I became even more upset when Homelidays and their insurance company became silent despite reassurances on their web site that renters were not left on their own with problems. All businesses have problems. How a company handles those problems defines the character of the company. I gave Homelidays many opportunities to resolve the problems and/or help me resolve it but they remain silent. Therefore, these comments. Had Homelidays (and if they someday will) handled this differently, I would be more than glad to report that as well. I hope I answered everyone's questions and concerns. And I am alive, real and a successful businessman. Again, thanks to many great suggestions I was not aware of. Thanks again! |
WillTravel, I didn't say it would or could happen to you or me - but if you allow me, your point of view is very, very local. Not every traveler lives in a country where such a thing like "provincially certified agencies" exists, nor in a country where internet access is as widespread as in the US of A. Tourists from, say, Croatia or Romania can easily fall victims of this kind of fraud, still today. And as for the credit card payments, see my posts above - 1. you can pay Western Union by credit card, in which case it involves absolutely no risk for you, but 2. direct credit card payments are a true risk for the receiver - your safety is his risk, since there are as many fraudulent tourists as fraudulent members of the tourism industry. To sum it up, there are just two payment options that are safe for both parties:
1. PayPal payments WITHOUT involving a credit card (PayPal provides a similar safety system as a credit card company, but for BOTH parties - but if you use your credit card for a PayPal transfer, the credit card safety system would overrule that of PayPal, and the receiver risks to be cheated by the tourist) 2. yes, actually: a Western Union transfer paid BY credit card (which is possible online). In this case, you have the safety the CC company provides while the receiver has already got the money cash, so the risk is really that of the CC company's insurance, and neither yours nor his. |
Oops, sorry, I forgot to mention TripAdvisor. I just found them a couple of weeks ago. I really like how they rate hotels based upon travelers comments. It's helping me narrow down some hotels in Rome and Venice.
I see some comments about hotel rip offs. Anybody heard of anybody getting ripped off from hotels top rated at TripAdvisor (say, the top 50)? |
Franco, how do you get the credit card company to reimburse you from Western Union?
I used my credit card with Western Union and my credit card company (First One United Mileage Plus) stated since I actually authorized the transaction, there wasn't anything they could do about it(it's not like somebody fraudulently used my credit card). Thanks in advance! |
mwiars - thanks for writing all this - it has been a stressful time for you.
Please keep us up to date with your attempts to derail this fraud. I am sure that you can tell homelidays that there are a lot of prople on this forum very interested in how they handle customer service. You might want to send them a link to your thread. Good luck. |
Paypal will protect you to a degree, but only on tangible goods, not services. Even then, it's iffy.
I bought an item that was covered by Paypal's Buyers Protection Plan. I never received it and filed a claim with Paypal. They investigated, ruled in my favor but didn't give me a refund because the seller had emptied their account. Should the seller ever have a positive balance in their Paypal account, they assured me they would freeze the funds and refund my purchase. I'm not holding my breath. |
mwiars, welcome back: according to the (very reliable) Austrian online telephone directory, there is nobody named Reynat in the whole country, let alone in Wien, let alone in Kärntnerstraße (which would, btw, be a VERY noble address - hardly anybody lives there, this is primarily an elegant business & hotels district). I really don't want blame you for this highly unpleasant experience, but as a rule, part of my "owner's check" is not just the kind of email communication I mentioned above, but also and always a check of the telephone directory... I suppose Monsieur Reynat (this must be his real name, I repeat, or he wouldn't have got the money) doesn't actually live in Austria but is there regularly for, say, business reasons - and picks up his payments in Austria. He doesn't need to live there, obviously, since one of the main advantages of Western Union is that you can provide funds instantly to a relative or friend who is abroad and needs money: that's why you give the name of the receiver and the country where s/he'll pick it up, but this doesn't need to be his/her home country! Anyhow, you'll trace him - Austria is one of the countries where the Western Union rules (contrary to what superheterodyne fears for countries other than France) are STRICTLY observed, so his passport copy will certainly be there... Good luck, mwiars!
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By the way, it would have been a great location had the apartment existed. That building houses some of Paris's toniest shops along with British Airways.
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As for credit card refunds, mwiars, I'm sorry I don't know "your" CC company, but many other companies provide this kind of protection - see what all the others posted above: they're paying by credit card in order to get a refund in case of fraud - and this doesn't mean fraudulent use of the credit card, but fraudulent service paid for by credit card!
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I haven't but I'm glad you came back & clarified. Sure hope you have better luck in the future. Your experience may have helped someone else not to be stuck as you were.
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Franco, I guess I still don't understand (perhaps its the graying :)).
When sending money via Western Union with a credit card, the transaction charged is with Western Union. However, they did not provide fraudulent services. Their services were normal, up front and honest. It is the end user that picked up the money who was fraudulent. Western Union has no control over the end user. I guess I'm trying to figure out how to explain it to the credit card company that Western Union was fraudulent. Any help is appreciated. |
baladeuse, that seriously does sound like a good part time job for an energetic college student. She could charge by the apartment, nose around someone's final two choices and submit a report along the lines of: "apt A is clean and bright, but bedroom windows directly overlook Motorcycle Revvers and Amateur Bagpipe Players' Center parking lot."
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mwiars, first of all, the credit card use protects you against any possible (though not probable) Western Union violation of their own rules. Had they failed to store the receiver's passport number (which won't be the case in Austria, but let's follow superheterodyne and suppose you had sent the money to Namibia, and the WU agent there didn't follow the rules), their service would be defective to the extent that the CC company had to protect you - that's for certain, and that's certainly a relief, I guess.
The rest of your question is tough, and I won't be able to give a 100 percent answer - you'd need a specialized consumerism lawyer for that matter. But I guess it depends on who pays the CC fee of approximately 4 percent - if WU absorbs it (as every shop, restaurant, hotel does), then the argument of your CC company might be airtight. However, as far as I understand it (and I must stress that I don't know for sure, since I never use WU - not for safety issues, but for reasons of price and service, see above), YOU are paying those 4 percent IN ADDITION to what you'd have to pay if you went to your WU agent. If so, it could very well turn out that WU is not the contractor of this deal (juridically, although both WU and the CC company might insist on the contrary) and that the CC company is responsible for protecting you... just as a guideline for a thorough discussion with the specialized lawyer I was referring to! |
franco posted, in part:
"...the crooked owner, on the customer's side: the traveler who pays a rental by credit card, makes use of it, enjoys the holiday - and goes back home, files a protest with the credit card company, says the hotel, or the apartment owner, or whoever, has taken his money fraudulently since he never made use of the rental - and gets the money back!!that's the safety the credit card company provides. But of course, the credit card company will now hold the "fraudulent" landlord responsible; while the true fraud is their own customer... and in this case, it's up to the hotel (or apartment) to prove that this nice guest has actually spent his or her holiday there; which isn't always easy, as you can guess." ******* franco, I can't see how a theoretical dishonest customer could transact for an apartment or room with a credit card, occupy the room or apartment, enjoy it happily, and then successfully claim to the CC company that he or she paid for a service he or she never received, thereby automatically getting his or her money back, no questions asked. First, I've yet to meet the hotel or apartment owner who handed me a key without my having to sign some form of acceptance of occupancy of the room or apartment - and that includes those times when I've prepaid the hotel (which I have done, albeit only with a well-known brand name of hotel that offered substantial discount in return.) That signed check-in form is the vendor's proof that I took delivery of the goods and/or service. If I as buyer subsequently try to claim that the goods or service were fraudulent in some way, notwithstanding that I signed acceptance (of the actual goods and/or service, not just the terms for same), it is more that it is up to me to prove that fraud took place. How often do we in these forums hear from people who, dissatisfied with the accomodation, checked out early - and still got dinged for the cancellation penalty, because the CC company held that customer disappointment does not de facto equate to breach of contract by the vendor? To give an example: mismatched drapes, a crummy room location, or even deafening noise from a nearby factory, do not in the usual instance mean the vendor did not perform the contract. The world's biggest and most successful hotel chains do millions of business every day with credit card payments. They would not do so, if they could be defrauded so easily. It's true that small hotels/apartments/bed and breakfasts often do not want to do business with CCs. But that is usually because the establishments don't wish to incur the overheads involved with CC processing. ___________________ (Sorry mwiars, this got off somewhat on a tangent from the topic of your thread, and your own problem. I still think you should try to get some expert advice on this. At the very least, try contacting the police in Vienna.) |
Sue, sorry, but 1. my own experience is 100 percent contrary to yours: only twice in my life, I had to sign a receipt on delivery of apartment keys, once in Venice and once in Paris - and never in a hotel (though I'll immediately admit that I rarely book hotels, mostly apartments). So let's agree that this seems to be very different from country to country, or also from one price level of accomodation to the other.
2. What's a signature good for? I don't want to make this thread a "how-to-cheat-an-owner" guideline, but if a dishonest tenant deliberately wants to cheat the hotel or the apartment owner, it won't be difficult for him to fake his own signature to the extent of being able to say, afterwards: "no, that's obviously not my signature - someone has tried to counterfeit it" (e.g. from a passport copy he might pretend to have provided in advance, which accounted also for the fact that the hotel or owner has actually a copy of the traveler's passport). And no, "the world's biggest and most successful hotel chains" won't have too grave problems with such tenants, since in this case, the CC company will be inclined to believe Hilton Hotels rather than John Smith from North Dakota. But in the case of Albergo Musumeci of Caltanissetta, Sicilia, things might be seen differently by Visa or Amex. |
In renting dozens of apartments I'm trying to recall ever "signing" on arrival or for receipt of the keys. I don't think so.
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The only time I've ever signed for keys was when we needed a second set. And that was a couple of days after we checked in.
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The only thing I've ever signed was a contract at the time of booking & in one place on Ennismore Gardens in London, the CC slip for the final payment when I arrived.
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miwars....just a thought, but maybe you could send your story to Ombudsman in Conde Nast Traveler. When they choose to print your story, the party who should stand behind their rentals, ie: Homelidays, usually comes through with the money rather than be hurt by the bad publicity. Good luck! Mary
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Franco: Clearly we have had different experiences, but my point is apt: if a buyer gives their CC number to confirm a contract, to cancel said contract is not just a matter of telling the CC company "I never stayed there." The buyer has to send a written cancellation notice, and whether the buyer gets any money back (assuming there was a pre-paid deposit or even the entire amount) depends on the terms of the cancellation policy in the contract. The onus is on the buyer to prove the contract was cancelled, in that instance, not the other way around.(The establishment need not prove that the person took occupancy, if payment was made on a nonrefundable basis, and the person was a no-show for the tenancy.)
As for the instance of a patron who actually shows up, it is not uncommon for the hotel to request the patron actually present a credit card upon the latter's checking into the establishment. This, along with various other details of the check-in procedure, is at least partial proof that the cardholder(or at least a person in possession of the card, which is another matter altogether)has physically presented himself at the hotel, and has been given a set of keys. The establishment in many countries also often asks for a passport so that they can record the details - this is not only for the police, it assures them the guest is who he or she says he is. I concede that if apartment owners operate like restaurants, and provide goods and services without first asking for a clearance of charges to be made on the card, or in other words, solely in the expectation of being paid, they are vulnerable as are restaurants to being given the slip by dishonest patrons. If so, this is indeed most unfortunate. But it is not an excuse for their claiming that CCs are unacceptable means of securing deposits. (By the way, even as I post, spouse has just come up and asked about a charge on his CC - it's a deposit I made for a room in a small chateau - all of 5 rooms - in France.) It is true that CC companies will investigate allegations of fraud by buyers and sometims find in the buyers' favour. But CC companies are just as interested in preventing fraud perpetrated by buyers. This is because the companies only get paid, when the vendor gets paid (i.e., their revenues are generated as a percentage of vendors' sales.) By the way, if a CC company invariably believes a large company like Hilton over Alberto so-and-so, then why would they not believe an apartment owner over Alberto so-and-so? Alberto is just as insignificant, in both instances. Clearly, the CC company has to have a formal procedure that doesn't depend on trust in either party, since if trust were a substitute for wise business practice, there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place. |
Renter beware! We rented an apt. with Homelidays in November. The first apt we rented (property #24550; owner Patrick Couderc) was a bogus rental agreement (not sure if the apt exists.) I sent the contract and deposit (through Western Union). He sent me a note saying that he had rented it to someone else despite our contract. I quickly contacted West Union and stopped the payment before it was picked up. I complained to Homelidays and they leaned on the owner to return the transfer fee. Don't rent from this sleazy guy! After reading these posts, I think I was very lucky to get the $ back.
We did successfully and happily rent from another owner on Homelidays and paid by Paypal. I would consider using the service again but only with Paypal or cc protection. Forget money wires. It is good to post names of owners who are fraudulent on this site. If anyone rents from Homelidays you should contact them and ask for a guarantee that the place and owner exist! They'll figure out a way to verify the apts they're representing. If not, who would rent from them?? |
Why is it even people who have used some of these websites don't understand what they are. You aren't renting from homelidays, they are not a rental agency. You don't rent from them, you contact the owner. They are a spot for owners to advertise their own places. Homelidays own website states states <<The Homelidays website publishes accommodations advertised by their owners... Homelidays is not a real estate agency. >>
They do make noise about how they will take ads off if there are enough complaints or something, but I don't know if they have a real incentive to care whether anyone rents a place on there or not. They say they don't take a commission from the owner, so I don't see why they'd care if a place ever gets rented. I see one flaw in their terms for the owners, which is an owner can use the site for free for a month on trial. So, that could lead to fraud or a bad property a little more, I suppose, although I'm sure fraud is very rare. |
I also used homelidays, the apartment was there, but it was cold, musty and just nasty, the pool was dirty. I paid a 200 euro deposit and now the owner refuses to answer my phone calls or emails and I have not received it back.
I guess I have to chalk it up as a lesson learned. I will NEVER use this website again, I contacted the website this evening, so I am waiting to hear what they have to say. |
My apartment rental in Venice via Homelidays couldn't have been nicer, nor more professionally handled by the wonderful owner.
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Homelidays acts as a 'go between' service for property owners, and those seeking accommodation. Any reservations or financial agreements are arranged exclusively between the owner and the renter.
Nevertheless, we have a dedicated team worldwide who work to prevent fraudulent listings appearing on our site. In addition, if we had received serious complaints about a property, this would result in the advert being removed from our site. However, for extra peace of mind when booking a rental property, we recommend the following steps: 1) Read testimonials from past renters Read testimonials from past renters who have stayed at the properties advertised on our site. For this, simply click on the "Testimonials" tab on the advert. 2) Check how long the advertiser has been with us Find out how long the owner has been advertising with us by scrolling down to the "Prices and availabilities" section of the advert. The longer an owner has been with us, the less likely they are to have been troublesome. 3) Register for the Carefree Package with Europ Assistance Homelidays has an exclusive partnership with Europ Assistance who provide a comprehensive insurance policy for renters booking a property advertised on our site. For more information, visit: http://www.homelidays.co.uk/EN-Holid...ance_price.asp 4) Get a rental contract before sending payment Before sending any payment to the owner, request and complete a rental contract. The contract should specify the dates you are booking, the deposit and total rental fee plus any additional charges, cancellation and refund policies. 5) Use our recommended payment methods When making payment for a holiday rental property, some forms of payment are more secure than others. Credit card payments offer the safest method followed by Paypal. Bank transfer or personal cheque are also common payment methods accepted by private owners. We strongly recommend that you never make payment by cash transfer services such as Western Union as these are untraceable. We hope this gives peace of mind about booking properties advertised on our site. |
We were taken in by the same scammer on Homelidays,someone posing as an Austrian doctor with an apartment for rent in Paris. This was in 2007 and homelidays would do nothing for us. I made a mistake of using western union to wire the money and when he called back and asked for more money for a very obscure reason(he had his lawyer picking it up) is when I got suspicious and said we wanted to cancel.Thank god, I could have lost even more money. He then stopped answering our calls and emails. We lost about 1200. to this guy. We tried everything we could and no one would do anything about it so we had to chalk it up as a lesson learned. We did file a police report locally but knew that would go no where.
Homelidays admitted that they knew the ad was a scam and would remove it. We asked them to give us the names of others cheated by this guy but they would not. We knew we were not the only ones. In any case, I decided I would NEVER use HOMELIDAYS again based on their response to the problem. They could simply verify owners/addresses as we did when we went to Paris. In fact, there was no apartment at the given location. We have gone on to rent apartments with success using other agencies. HOMELIDAYS says they are not accountable but they could do more to make it safer from scammers which is becoming more and more a problem on the web these days. |
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