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frommerman Apr 12th, 2002 06:42 PM

Attention Fodors<BR><BR>Im back!

sam Apr 12th, 2002 06:52 PM

xxx you truly have no understanding or tolerance for the biggest crime of history that was perpetrated on 6 million people most of them Jews. Antisemitism is a disease that grew and still grows. If people had put a stop to it Hitler wouldn't have caused the destruction not just on the 6 million but on the rest of Europe not to mention the US who lost so many fighting that animal.As for the current situation innocent people on both sides are being killed because of intolerance

xx Apr 12th, 2002 06:56 PM

Thank you Herman<BR><BR>For once someone else is tired of this crap...I know what the jews suffered ... more than the Christians under the Romans, I think not! <BR>Sharon belongs before a world court for crimes against humanity... And Yes I am a Christian!

an opinion Apr 12th, 2002 06:59 PM

I am not saying that I am for crimes of any nature. however i did not see anyone on this site protesting when arabs and muslim citizens in the US were attacked and persecuted after the 11 September events last year. in fact many people considered it a necessary procedure in order to stop "terrrorism". however these people do not think it is ok for jews to be Persecuted (anti-semitic behavior as you call it) because jews in Jereusalem are killing hundreds of Arabs everyday. <BR>if you are against hate crime, you should be against all hate crimes, right?

too [email protected] Apr 12th, 2002 07:09 PM

Yes 6 million Jews were exterminated,,,and how many Romanys, Poles, Checks, Russinans. swedes, danes,mentally incapacitated,..Jews were not alone..but do others weep and beg for sympathy and empathy and try to lay guilt! It happened ...now why are you perpetrating it on others?

Amedeo Apr 12th, 2002 07:15 PM

What anti-semitism? There are many ways to retaliate against othets, but I don't think that those blackening "bombs" were in retaliation to acts against the French... Well, before the gods learned how to speak to the minds of humans, they spoke in signs, and there were various diviners, interpreters of signs. As one of the old profession, I'd say the french spoke in signs and said, "Go home, Zionists" -- a message some people do not like to hear about. Don't blame me, the interpreter. (If one should not go to France... should one in the country who does not support the protesters LEAVE the country????)

sam Apr 12th, 2002 07:26 PM

xxx You haven't mentioned Arafat-- a known terrorist. He obviously shouldn't be tried in a world court in your estimation. Aiding and abetting suicide bombers is ok by you. In war soldiers are usually the targets not innocent civilians as is the case in Israel. You aren't a Christian in the true sense because that is not the Christian ideology. I was taught "love thy neighbor as thy self"

lilly Apr 12th, 2002 07:42 PM

It is hard to read some of the bigoted, cruel remarks above. The inability to comprehend how Israel is fighting for its very life, its own land, its place of original ownership that only recently have the Arabs decided they want demonstrates a lack of perspective and knowledge of historical fact. but on top of that, the apparent anti-semitism is nauseating. Equating Sharon's miliary actions with the Nazi holocaust is incredible - did the Jews of Europe plant bombs and blow themselves up just to kill civilians? Did Hitler have to protect his nation from the Jews? It is the place of a government, this time Israel, to protect its people from harm (read manipulated, crazed Palestinians who have been brainwashed from birth to believe that blowing up a Jew brings martyrdom and reward in heaven). Are the Palestinians living in squalor and distress? Absolutely but it is primarily because their own peoples have given them no help, education, industry except death to involve them. Shame on you, and shame on France, and shame on unjust people everywhere.

justice Apr 12th, 2002 07:51 PM

YES lily,<BR><BR>Shame Shame shame....on the perpetrators of the sabra and Shatilla massacres...does the name Sharon come to mind or are you blinded by religious and racial and ethnic intolerance...<BR><BR>If I were fighting for my country that I had occupied for thousands of years before a false judgement had given it to others, I might wear a bomb for a belt too!

yellow star Apr 12th, 2002 07:59 PM

The trash that has posted above is the reason why WE WILL NEVER FORGET.

sam Apr 12th, 2002 08:10 PM

I couldn't have said it better Lilly. Obviously there is more anti-semitism on these boards than I would have expected. Forget about France--just go to Fodor's chats to see it in action. It's too bad that people haven't learned from the mistakes of their forefathers and that innocents continue to suffer. Jews have always been scapegoats and what these people don't understand that if suicide bombers are not stopped they will be on US shores killing Americans.

Sick of ... Apr 12th, 2002 08:20 PM

listening to the rants of xxx (who i would guess is arab and/or muslim) and others like him on this website and the "mouthpieces" of the Arab rhetoric on American talk shows make my blood boil. i am a non-arab/muslim/jew/israeli but an american woman with no particular affinity for either side. However, the palestinians are getting exactly what they deserve for not condemning the murderbombers. Israel has the full right to defend itself against these terrorists like the US does against osama and his ilk. Sharon, as much as I dislike him, has the OBLIGATION to defend Israelis against these attacks. Frankly, Israelis are doing the American dirty work for us. So, thank you Sharon, and please stay there until the murderbombers stop!! Any palestinian civialians who were killed in these raids were more than likely "collateral damage" since the terrorists are hiding amongst the civilians and, in fact, many civilians are the terrorists. They look like you and me, just as the 9/11 bombers lived in america amongst us. Arabs may be disgusted with the policies of america and israel. Unfortunately, they don't hold alot of credibility in free countries b/c they don't allow websites like this in their country, they only allow arab rhetoric on their tv and radio and put out so much propaganda b/c they know that if the "everyday" palestinians and other arabs knew the truth about america and the freedoms we have, they would want it too. They envy us. They will deny it, but it is true. If the arabs would change their attitude, fight their own leaders/dictators they could enjoy freedom and prosperity too. Hussein, Arafat and the other arabs are inflaming the palestinians and keeping things in turmoil so they won't focus on the sh**** job their own "leaders" (and i say that loosely) are doing and focus the rage where it should be focused which is at the dictatorships going on in that side of the world. Quit blaming america and everyone else for your problems! Arabs should ask their rich dictators to use their gold and oil money to put together legitimate armies and navies to defend themselves (rather than sending it to the families of murderbombers)in a legitimate manner against opposing armies (ie. the Israeli army) so that they don't need these crazy murderbombers to represent their cause. Maybe then reasonable Americans would listen to your possibly legitimate complaints. NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING justifies murderbombings. The Arabs may have some very valid points about the Israeli actions. Unfortunately, I will not listen to their voices until they stop these idiots who are only harming their cause worldwide.

robyn Apr 12th, 2002 08:26 PM

I cannot believe my eyes. <BR>Outrageous comments here which are so hurtful and destructive and which serve no purpose but to incite hatred and hostility. What on earth is going on here at fodor's? This is not the place I have enjoyed for so long. <BR>If any of us ever needed any proof that anti-semitism is alive and well right here in the States, surely this is it.<BR>This is not a "discussion" board. It is a "bash" board. <BR>Thank you for opening my eyes to what exists right in my own country.<BR>I will be going to Washington on Monday with the thousands of others who are in support of Israel. Thank you for helping me to make this decision. I was unsure of whether to go or not, but it has become crystal clear now.

Luc Apr 12th, 2002 08:31 PM

I think France should be boycotted because of their unfair farm subsidies.

cowboy Apr 12th, 2002 08:32 PM

Sick of, you're correct! Nothing justifies murder bombings.<BR><BR>I'm not Jewish. I'm white, protestant, German heritage and Southern to boot. <BR><BR>But here is one white cracker that agrees that Israel is fed up with these people murdering innocent people with bombs.<BR><BR>I angers me that the French, who crybaby the loudest about the USA's war on terrorism, are again showing themselves to be on the wrong side of this issue!

Jack Apr 12th, 2002 08:34 PM

I think they should be boycotted because they didn't let the US planes fly over when we were after Khadaffi for the Lockerbie bombing. If the Eiffel Tower gets struck, hope they don't come crying to us.

Greenpeace Apr 12th, 2002 08:41 PM

Remember when the French special forces blew up the Greenpeace Rainbow Warrior in 1985, killing a crewmember? The ship was objecting to French bomb testing. Let's face it. France has a lot of skeletons out of her closet and its latest round of anti-Semitic violence is just one more. <BR><BR>French foreign policy (and domestic, no doubt) gives us a lot more food for bashing than individual French citizens who happen to be of the Jewish faith!

redemption Apr 12th, 2002 09:02 PM

For redemption, France should send peacekeepers to Israel and the Palestinian areas! And Fodorites who are so interested in supporting the Palestinians should volunteer, too. Put your body where your mouth is, since you care so much and your sense of moral outrage is so deep.

Amedeo Apr 12th, 2002 09:05 PM

What anti-semitism? Anti-semitism is a myth, the promised land is a myth. The first time, you conquered the Philistines and the Amorites; the second time, you murdered the Palestinians... and the USA citizens are paying 2,7 billion dollars a year to subsidized the Zionist state. The whores in the US Congress have created a Lobby; they are bought and, in combinations with the Zionists in power here and there, we have been sold. Our abusive government and the pseudo-Americans in the US should be sent into exile. (MacGovern had even promised military help to Zion. Today, 200 votes saved our country, for if a Zionist became a vice-preseident one day, he would be president the next day, and you can imagine the rest. Meanwhile, the powers that be have postponed investigating the CIA and FBI, some of whom knew about the 9/11 day in advance. The suicidal bombers were not the only ones who were in the plot, but, but, but Bin Laden has been a convenient diversion from the underhanded deed that kept more than a thousand Semites away from work in the Towers, and made speculators gain a little fortune from advance knowledge...<BR>As Disraeli once pointed out, history is made behind the scenes... Somebody said, to the effect, WE WILL NEVER FORGET. Indeed don't. You were expelled from Egypt, you were expelled from babylonia, you were expelled from Spain,<BR>you did not accept Hitler's assistance to be expelled, and settled, from Germany. What next? The majority of Jews have only a history of disasters created by their political and ecclesiastical leadership. Show some guts for once and get rid of the Zionist leadership that is prepare another disaster for you. Save yourselves by revolting! That would be a pro-semitic action. Shalom!

Sick of Apr 12th, 2002 09:16 PM

Oh amadeo. Poor, poor Amadeo. You are a prime example of why the average non-jewish american without an axe to grind with either party, finds arabs like you completely uncredible and incredible. Your rhetoric (the jews were given forwarning about 9/11, US govt was given forewarning, blah, blah, blah). Where are you getting this information? How do you know this? Oh right, from Al-Jazeera TV. That highly credible, state run, dictator controlled media outlet. A bunch of insane RHETORIC. It could possibly be true. So could martians on mars! I can't dispute either, nor can I prove they are true. Quit stating such unproven things as facts. It completely negates any valid points you actually may have to make!


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