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butterfingers Apr 9th, 2019 08:38 AM

Ima start a new thread for life experiences, especially during travel. Whoever wants to join feel free!

StCirq Apr 9th, 2019 09:11 AM

No, France DOES still have the best bread.

J62 Apr 9th, 2019 10:09 AM

I wish I knew how to make bread like they do in France.

butterfingers Apr 9th, 2019 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by J62 (Post 16901569)
I wish I knew how to make bread like they do in France.

Theres a buzzfeed video on a french bread maker and it looks so fun.

jc_uk Apr 9th, 2019 10:53 AM

French wheat flour, long proving times and proper bread ovens. That being said, there's not much that can be improved on a well made English sourdough cobb, fluffy interior and a crisp, chewy crust spread with salted Cornish butter and filled with free range, Gloucester Old Spot bacon.

bvlenci Apr 10th, 2019 04:51 AM


I guess dropping the B from the language was certainly a big shock.
Not as much as dropping the "h" from spaghetti, at least for Italians.

bilboburgler Apr 10th, 2019 06:23 AM

The baguette was introduced as a way of stopping rampant inflation litterally taking the bread from the mouths of the poor. The ovens are nothing special (originally steam ovens), the flour is ordinary and no added sugar and no preservatives. The taste is only special to you if you are used to having preservatives in it and sugar. Honestly French bread "is pants" but just so much better than most American and industrialised bread. Even "bread of the country" which is far better than the baguette is only up to proper Danish and German standards.

St C, we will have to agree to differ. :-)

bilboburgler Apr 10th, 2019 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by bvlenci (Post 16901960)
Not as much as dropping the "h" from spaghetti, at least for Italians.

How can you drop the "h" it would be "spa jetti" who says that?

butterfingers Apr 10th, 2019 06:52 AM

You know what I just realized? There is no “American” anything. Especially not food. We don’t even have an official language or religion. American culture is immigrant culture. But in terms of food, its weird because each region of the US has their own taste: the west coast is all about healthy foods, the south is about barbecue and deep fried goodness, and the east is mainly seafood and multicultural food. While this isn’t 100% the only thing, its a general sight.

StCirq Apr 10th, 2019 07:22 AM

Yes, bilbo, we will.

I will say if some Dane or German would come along and introduce the French to a real rye or pumpernickel, I would be eternally grateful.

butterfingers Apr 10th, 2019 08:02 AM

I lowkey want to move to Germany. Maybe not for life but atleast my Junior year in College. I can’t get enough of Germany, and it has always been a weird thing too about my love for Germany. Almost love it like another figure in history... Anyways, Is hard liquor available for 18 y/o too in France and Germany? I want a nice Gin and Tonic or some Schnapps.

starrs Apr 10th, 2019 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by butterfingers (Post 16902034)
You know what I just realized? There is no “American” anything. Especially not food. We don’t even have an official language or religion.

You must have been sleeping through history class.

Travel_Nerd Apr 10th, 2019 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by butterfingers (Post 16902072)
I lowkey want to move to Germany. Maybe not for life but atleast my Junior year in College. I can’t get enough of Germany, and it has always been a weird thing too about my love for Germany. Almost love it like another figure in history... Anyways, Is hard liquor available for 18 y/o too in France and Germany? I want a nice Gin and Tonic or some Schnapps.

I thought you hated their current politics....? And now want to move there? As for the alcohol question, suggest you go look up the local laws yourself....

More topics for your IG followers, I suppose.

suze Apr 10th, 2019 11:09 AM

Anyways, Is hard liquor available for 18 y/o too in France and Germany?

18 in France. 16 in Germany for beer and wine, 18 for hard liquor.

bvlenci Apr 10th, 2019 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by bilboburgler (Post 16902018)
How can you drop the "h" it would be "spa jetti" who says that?

In German, the "g" is always hard, as in Angela (pronounced Anghela) Merkel. Therefore, the "h" was deemed superfluous.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.csm...7s02-woeu.html

How do you pronounce "get", by the way?

5alive Apr 10th, 2019 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by bvlenci (Post 16902322)
In German, the "g" is always hard, as in Angela (pronounced Anghela) Merkel. Therefore, the "h" was deemed superfluous.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.csm...7s02-woeu.html

How do you pronounce "get", by the way?

That last sentence kind of invalidates your argument. When you ask about English, we are running under two sets of inherited rules concurrently. Consider us to be the plug-in hybrid.

Under the Anglo-Saxon rules, yes get would take a hard g .
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But we also follow the Romance language rules.
​​​​​​Briefly those are:
Go, Ga, Gu= hard g
Ge, GI, Gy= soft g
So gender, gem, gin, gym

So in the word spaghetti, that h serves as a placeholder or a warning flag for Italians, telling the reader to use a hard g. As my Italian teacher said over and over, every letter in Italian has a job to do. (As someone from Italy, you know all this.... I'm just clarifying for others).
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​​​While English speakers may not consciously see the h in spaghetti as a flag, it works as such. Because we do have multiple ways to pronounce this letter. We take all the clues we can get. Therefore, keep the h.

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bilboburgler Apr 11th, 2019 01:53 AM

English pronunciation is a subject way above my pay grade. Mrs Bilbo knows it all after an excellent classical education, trouble is, the rules are hard and complicated and I get bored at the edge of complication.

I was just surprised, which country is dropping the "h" in spaghetti? I've not seen that in my little part of the UK, but who knows?
BTW way welcome to the land of the "panini's".

butterfingers Apr 11th, 2019 07:00 AM

Whats the hardest language to learn for an english speaker? Im thinking either Arabic or Finnish...


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