janisj:
<i>"And the airline may want to know why she is using different passports for the various flights."</i>
<i>"..using different passports when checking in for the same airline"</i>

She doesn't need to use different passport for the same airline. Nor does she need to use the same airline for her various trips.

Example:
She fly from the US to Italy on, say, American Airlines, using her US passport.
She leaves on day 89, flies to UK (leaves Schengen) on whatever airline using her US passport.

Using her "other" passport, she flies back to Schengen on Virgin, KLM, Air France..; she can also cross the Channel on a ferry or take the Eurostar to Paris.
Goes back to the UK using "other" passport, and use her US passport to get on her US-bound flight (on American Airlines in this example).

1)How American Airlines (again just an example) could possibly know that she has dual nationality ?
2)How could they know that she left the UK betweeen her arrival from Italy and the date of her US bound flight ?
3)<b>IF</b> they knew why would they care that she didn't respect the spirit of the law regarding the Schengen regulation ?

askar: This is (probably) an 18-19 yo girl -- the chance of her not making a mis-step anywhere along that convoluted and winding road you describe are slim to none IMO.

a great example if you do not like the message shoot the messenger. mom is determinedd to seek short cuts great message for the daughter

and insult the people who answer her question while she's at it. Don't like the answer, call people "anal". Nice.

Is there any way for her to extend her course work in Europe and therefore have the university help her extend her stay by obtaining a student visa for her?

Otherwise, the Schengen rules are only 90 days every 180 days, so she'd be safer to wait another three months and then she can reenter Europe again - perfectly legally - for another 90 days.

Here's a neat map showing the Schengen countries and the non-Schengen countries:

http://www.axa-schengen.com/en/schengen-countries

The total length of stay has to be 90 days, however, it does not have to be continuous. If she leaves a Schengen country, she needs to have a stamp showing when she left. Likewise, she needs a stamp on reentry to a Schengen country. This way, she can go out and reenter several times, just so long as her total time in Schengen countries does not add up to more than 90 days in a 180 day period.

janisj - in your example she should exit Italy on the US passport and enter the UK on the other one. Then she will leave the UK on the same passport she used for entry. All of that is now computerized and checked. When I travel using both passports I now show both for check-in for my flight back to the US as I need to show the UK passport to match my entry, and the US passport to prove I can get into the US.

Askar wrote <<Example:
She fly from the US to Italy on, say, American Airlines, using her US passport.
She leaves on day 89, flies to UK (leaves Schengen) on whatever airline using her US passport.

Using her "other" passport, she flies back to Schengen on Virgin, KLM, Air France..; she can also cross the Channel on a ferry or take the Eurostar to Paris.
Goes back to the UK using "other" passport, and use her US passport to get on her US-bound flight (on American Airlines in this example).>>

I have multiple passports and use them all the time, depending where I am visiting but there is a potential problem that you have not mentioned.

Let's just say she has a Brazilian & US passport and using your example, she's now in the UK after using her US passport to get from Italy.

If she uses the Brazilian passport from UK to France, the French could ask the following questions:

"Where's your entry stamp to the UK"
"Where's your visa for the UK"
"Where's your return ticket to Brazil"

If she tries to hide the fact that she also has a US passport then her answers will only increase their suspicions.

Geordie

mamamia2, have you looked at this page, has your daughter downloaded the Acceptance Packet and Travel Visa information??? Note also the "Visa Application for Spring 2011 (coming soon)."

http://art.uga.edu/cortona/admission...age=acceptance

Since the website mentions in more than one place that there is the option of staying more than one semester, it MUST know how students obtain the appropriate visa. I'd call the office responsible for this program at UGA, tell them your daughter is considering applying/staying for a second semester and ask what visa she needs.

Thanks, Geordie, your first question is a good one. The other 2 are resolved: No need for a visa for "Brazilians" to enter the UK. And she WILL have an airline ticket to the USA, she doesn't necessarily have to show a ticket back to "Brazil".... I don't think the French would go as far as asking her to show an entry visa to the USA......

As to the first question, she could actually use her "Brazilian" passport when entering the UK, then entering France, and at the end of her travel again, entering the UK..... The US passport would be used for her departure from London back to the USA.

BTW, I don't travel a lot, but I am not sure ones passport is ALWAYS stamped in EVERY ENTRY or EVERY DEPARTURE. Or am I wrong?

Jean, thanks for your help. Yes, my daughter is familiar with that site. She is going to Cortona for only one semester. She already made a few phone calls to the people at UGA, but they did not have a real answer for her.... I don't know when this "coming soon" (Visa Application for Spring 2011) will turn into some real, credible info..... This whole thing seems odd, as if the Schengen rules were just implemented last week, or as if my daughter is the only US student going to Cortona, daring to plan to stay a couple weeks longer........

Mamania, if the immigration officers in France are doing their jobs correctly they will know something is not right. I was actually basing my questions on the possible answers that your daughter might give.

She could get tied up in knots e.g. Upon entering the UK from Italy using her Brazilian passport, the UK officer could ask why she has no entry stamp for Italy

Your daughter has a return ticket to the US, then where in her Brazilian passport is her US Visa / stamps from when she left

Your're correct about the foreign officers not caring about her entry credentials to get into the US but the problem is, if questioned, her Brazilian passport does not match any of her movements and that will make them suspicious.

On the other hand, they may not ask anything, but the consequences if they do, can have longlasting effects especially when answering the questions on arrival cards such as "have you ever been deported / denied entry to .....".

Geordie

I think it is important to understand that the OP thinks that she is only bending the rules a little.

It is equally important to realise that immigration officials won’t see it as bending the rules – they will see it as being in the country illegally.

Most of us break the laws sometimes – offences like speeding, which carry a relatively light penalty. But breaking a law that can have you detained, chucked out of a country and refused further entry should not be done too lightly.

I can understand why the OP wants her daughter to have a visa longer than the standard 90 days, and discussion in person with the Italian consul would make sense. The advice here on Fodors is mostly opinion, as I don’t think that there are too many immigration lawyers here.

BTW, I don't travel a lot, but I am not sure ones passport is ALWAYS stamped in EVERY ENTRY or EVERY DEPARTURE. Or am I wrong?

In my experience, they stamped my passport every single time I exit and enter, that's why I ran out of space on my 10 year passport. In fact I recently figured out all my travel dates by looking at every single entry and exit stamp on my passport.

The immigration officers may not care how you enter the UK but they will certainly care where to and how your daughter will be going after the Schengen. They WILL ask your daughter to show them the US visa that she needs to fly into the US. It may work better if she uses the Brazilian passport first and then reenter the Schengen with the US passport.

I used to travel using dual passport in the days before all the heightened security and computer record sharing, but now it's just not worth it for me to worry. Once you've been pulled into the secondary room for further questioning by the immigration, then you'll learn it's not worth the risk.

I forgot to put the quotation marks:

"BTW, I don't travel a lot, but I am not sure ones passport is ALWAYS stamped in EVERY ENTRY or EVERY DEPARTURE. Or am I wrong?"

I don't think OP is being "immoral", but I do think it is naive and stupid to support a student taking such risks with international travel. Security is tight now, especially. I don't think infractions are taken lightly.

Best case, the student will probably be extremely anxious when crossing borders.

<i>I think it is important to understand that the OP thinks that she is only bending the rules a little. </i>

To be fair, she is only bending the rules a little bit. She is certainly proposing to violate the letter of the law, but I don't think she comes remotely close to violating the intent. She isn't proposing that her daughter seek work. She isn't proposing that the daughter stay permanently. She isn't proposing that her daughter seek public assistance. She isn't proposing that her daughter violate any other laws or engage in any sort of criminal activity. These are the things that the immigration laws are meant to address. I certainly don't think they are meant to stop students from visiting Europe for 115 days, rather than 90.

Now, none of this matters if she gets caught. The letter of the law is more than enough to create a problem for her daughter. But I do think the moral outrage is a bit much when one considers how the proposed actions fit into the overall objectives of the immigration laws.

<i>BTW, I don't travel a lot, but I am not sure ones passport is ALWAYS stamped in EVERY ENTRY or EVERY DEPARTURE. Or am I wrong?</i>

No, they do not stamp every time. I have even been waived through without the agent even looking at my passport (seeing an American cover was enough). But they stamp almost every time, and are becoming more diligent about it. I wouldn't count on any scenario that involves either a missed stamp or claiming a missed stamp to help your case.

<i>Mamania, if the immigration officers in France are doing their jobs correctly they will know something is not right.</i>

That is a much, much, much bigger if than folks here give credit for. In my experience, European immigration checks are a more often a joke than they are not, particularly in the Netherlands (though they are getting a bit tougher), France, and Denmark. Switzerland are tougher, and the UK are very tough.

I've posted the story multiple times before, but here it goes again. I moved to Denmark and lived here for two years without having my residency permit affixed to my passport, nor did my wife have hers affixed to her passport. Yes, it was complete and utter laziness and the residency permit existed and was in order - I just never got the visa placed in the passport. But, the issue is that the various immigration authorities didn't know that.

During that time, my wife and I entered or exited the Schengen area at least 25 times. We were NEVER, and I mean NEVER, questioned by immigration authorities about our lack of a residency permit. I was once questioned by Northwest Airlines in Boston, but they ended up taking me at my word and let me on the flight. I was once questioned by a very nice rent-a-cop doing the secondary security checks at Schiphol, but he ultimately shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, you are going to the US, so it isn't like you will have a problem getting into the country. You can worry about the Dutch authorities when you try to return."

Now, things have tightened up a bit, and I have had the authorities ask on a couple of ocassions since, but that is still the exception, and not the norm. Personally, I don't think the immigration authorities, at least the ones at the border stations, are trying to find a reason to not let you in, and don't put that much effort into people that show nothing worse than technically violating visa requirements. Still, I do have to come back to just how bad the risks are, and I certainly wouldn't want to have to deal with the fall out, should an immigration agent actually look to do their job.

<i>entered or exited</i>

Should be 'entered AND exited'

Re: stamps in passports. Depends entirely on the country you're visiting and the passport you're using. HOWEVER, almost all, if not all, of the immigration agents in the countries I've visited recently swipe the bar code on the bottom of the picture page, which gets all your details into their computer system. Then they swipe again on exit, AS DO the airline check in agents who are responsible for not allowing you on a flight to a country that won't let you enter. That's why I now show both passports when returning to the US.

Gordie wrote
<font color=blue><i>"Askar wrote <<Example:
She fly from the US to Italy on, say, American Airlines, using her US passport.
She leaves on day 89, flies to UK (leaves Schengen) on whatever airline using her US passport.

Using her "other" passport, she flies back to Schengen on Virgin, KLM, Air France..; she can also cross the Channel on a ferry or take the Eurostar to Paris.
Goes back to the UK using "other" passport, and use her US passport to get on her US-bound flight (on American Airlines in this example).>>

Let's just say she has a Brazilian & US passport and using your example, she's now in the UK after using her US passport to get from Italy.

If she uses the Brazilian passport from UK to France, the French could ask the following questions:

"Where's your entry stamp to the UK"
"Where's your visa for the UK"
"Where's your return ticket to Brazil"

If she tries to hide the fact that she also has a US passport then her answers will only increase their suspicions."</i></font>

At worse she will be denied entry (then she will have to spend her two weeks in England before flying back to the US) it's not as if she had overstayed.

Gordie wrote:<font color=blue><i> Upon entering the UK from Italy using her Brazilian passport, the UK officer could ask why she has no entry stamp for Italy</i></font>
UK is not part of Schengen. After her 89 days in Italy she will use her US passport for leaving Italy and entering UK.