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I forgot to mention that all of the day trips from barcelona are very easily accessed through buses or trains.
4 or 5 nights in Barcelona, you would easily be able to see all the major stuff in a relaxed manner as well as doing 1 or 2 side trips. |
For a first timer to Europe who is traveling in the Summer with limited time I would definitely leave Barcelona out. If you have decided Paris and Rome- 7 days each then consider an apartment (vrbo.com or holiday-rentals.com) or a package (flights+hotels) by go-today.com or gate1.com.
From Paris you can train to Versailles, Bourges, and many other beautiful villages in the environs within an hour train travel. From Rome you can day trip to Pompeii, Ostia Antica, and (why not?) Florence...This will give you a good flavor of two (2) major European cities with a very distinctive national character and great venues on to smaller side trips. |
I am one who says "stay in a hotel" and particularly if this is your first trip. The hotel desk can be so helpful in directions, making reservations, etc.
Two cities are MUCH more sensible. Any guide book can give you day trips. Time to get at least two. ;o) |
I found your description of the itinerary slightly confusing, so let's list the days.
"July 15 through the 30 so 2 weeks and 2 days (we lose the 15th and 29th for travel). The places we want to visit are as follows: 3 days in Paris 6 days in Spain (visiting Barcelona, Madrid and Granada) 6 days in Italy (visiting Rome, Venice and Florence)" July 15: dep home ( are your traveling from the U.S.?) July 16: arr Paris; sleep Paris July 17: Paris July 18: travel to Barcelona; sleep Barcelona July 19: Barcelona July 20: travel to Granada; sleep Granada July 21: Granada July 22: travel to Madrid; sleep Madrid July 23: Madrid July 24: travel to Venice; sleep Venice July 25: Venice July 26: travel to Florence; sleep Florence July 27: Florence July 28: travel to Rome; sleep Rome July 29: Rome July 30: fly home As you can see, to follow this schedule, every second day you would spend at least half the day, perhaps more, checking in and out of hotels and traveling to the next destination. I think you can change locations more times than some of the others have mentioned, but to follow your original plan would be exhausting and offer only one full day to explore each location. My personal rule is no one-night hotel stays, and preferably three nights in each place. Here's one option, assuming you are young and more energetic than others might be, but still allowing for more time n the locations you visit: July 15: dep home ( are your traveling from the U.S.?) July 16: arr Paris; sleep Paris July 17: Paris July 18: Paris July 19: Paris July 20: travel to Venice; sleep Venice July 21: Venice July 22: Venice July 23: travel to Florence; sleep Florence July 24: Florence July 25: Florence July 26: travel to Rome; sleep Rome July 27: Rome July 28: Rome (perhaps add a daytrip from Rome to Pompeii or Orvieto) July 29: Rome July 30: fly home OR July 15: dep home ( are your traveling from the U.S.?) July 16: arr Paris; sleep Paris July 17: Paris July 18: Paris July 19: Paris (perhaps add a daytrip) July 20: Paris July 21: travel to Barcelona; sleep Barcelona July 22: Barcelona July 23: Barcelona (perhaps add a daytrip) July 24: Barcelona July 25: travel to Rome; sleep Rome July 26: Rome July 27: Rome July 28: Rome (perhaps add a daytrip) July 29: Rome July 30: fly home |
I suggest we support her decision on Paris-Rome :)
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renee2nay - I've got a list of popular day trips from Paris I can post if you'd like.
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You have my vote for skipping Barcelona.
Nothing against Barcelona, but keeping it would make for a hectic itinerary, for me anyway. But now I'll add to the confusion by suggesting chopping a day each off of Rome and Paris, and adding Venice for a couple of days. As for whether to take day trips out of the cities, I vote yes. I think it's a good idea to have a change of pace from the cities. Rome, IMHO, is especially hectic, so getting out for a day is a nice break. |
Thanks everyone, SPAIN IS OUT! As much as I'd love to go there, it just won't work with the time frame we have and I'm so appreciative of the posts and messages helping me make this decision. We will spend 7 nights in Paris and 7 in Rome. The plan is to leave the 15 and arrive the 16th (because of flights) and leave the 29th and arrive home the 30th (unless we're able to get home on the 29th but I doubt it!).
FrenchMystiqueTours, please do post your popular day trips from Paris, I'd love to look at them! Now it's just time to book our flight and then we'll worry about hotels later. I figure we'll stay at the same hotel in Paris the entire time and the same in Rome, does that seem reasonable? Although I see suggestions for apartments I'm honestly not sure that will work for us since we've never been to Europe before. I heard some hotels offer breakfast with their packages so that would be ideal for us. Any hotel suggestions for Paris and Rome is also greatly appreciated! So here's the itinerary: July 15 - Leave from Detroit to Paris July 16 - arrive in Paris July 16 - 21: travel around Paris July 21 - take train to Rome (any suggestions regarding this? book ahead? Take Eurostar?) July 22 - 29: travel around Rome What does everyone think? |
You porbably have another option for getting to Rome, which would be flying.
http://www.vueling.com/EN/?cadw=glo&...FRECQAodm1mZCQ |
Here is a brief list that summarizes many of the most popular day trips from Paris. There are certainly others but this list covers most of the best of the biggies:
Provins (an authentic walled medieval town): http://www.provins.net/ Château of Chantilly (wonderful fairytale château, famous art collection): http://www.chateaudechantilly.com/fr/ http://www.chantilly-tourisme.com/ Senlis (small medieval town can be combined with a visit to Chantilly): http://www.senlis-tourisme.fr/accueil-senlis.php Reims (champagne tours, great historic cathedral, museums): http://www.reims-tourisme.com/ Epernay (champagne tours, can be combined with Reims): http://www.ot-epernay.fr/ Fontainebleau (former royal town with famous château): http://www.musee-chateau-fontainebleau.fr/ http://www.fontainebleau-tourisme.com/ Versailles (obvious): http://www.chateauversailles.fr/homepage http://www.versailles-tourisme.com/ Château of Vaux-le-Vicomte (the château after which Louis XIV based his garden renovations for Versailles and IMO one of the most elegant château in France): http://www.vaux-le-vicomte.com/ Rouen (small city, lots to do, wonderful cathedral, medieval old center): http://www.rouentourisme.com/ Giverny (Monet's house and gardens): http://www.fondation-monet.fr/fr/ http://giverny.org/giverny/giverny.htm http://www.vernon-visite.org/rgb4/who_we_are.htm Chartres (the famous cathedral and wonderful old medieval town): http://www.chartres-tourisme.com/ Compiègne (château with museums, wonderful old town. Can be combined with a visit to the château of Pierrefonds): http://www.compiegne-tourisme.fr/ Château of Pierrefonds (Magnificent fairytale looking château. Reconstructed in the 19th century but magnificent nonetheless. Can be combined with a visit to Compiègne): http://www.pierrefonds.monuments-nationaux.fr/ http://pierrefonds-tourisme.net/ot/Bienvenue.html Troyes (lovely small medieval city): http://www.tourisme-troyes.com/ Laon (medieval hilltop town with a spectacular cathedral): http://www.tourisme-paysdelaon.com/ Crécy-la-Chapelle (small charming renowned artists village): http://www.cc-payscrecois.fr/Crecy-la-Chapelle,203.html Moret-sur-Loing (charming walled medieval village/artists village): http://www.ville-moret-sur-loing.fr/rubrique.php?id=189 Auvers-sur-Oise (Van Gogh and other impressionist art history): http://www.auvers-sur-oise.com/heading/heading899.html Malmaison (château of the Empress Josephine and a nice old downtown. On the RER A line and could be combined with a visit to Saint-Germain-en-Laye): http://www.chateau-malmaison.fr/ http://www.rueil-tourisme.com/ Saint-Germain-en-Laye (former royal town with a wonderful château now home to the national museum of archaeology. On the RER A line and could be combined with a visit to Malmaison): http://www.ot-saintgermainenlaye.fr/en/ http://www.saintgermainenlaye.fr/en/...ulture/musees/ Barbizon (famous artists village, can be combined with Fontainebleau): http://www.barbizon-tourisme.fr/ These are the most popular day trips and all are worthwhile but there are many other less popular and equally worthy day trips. I could easily list a couple dozen more but only if what's on this list doesn't interest you. A good guide book for the Ile-de-France region should give you more ideas. You could also go to the Loire region and do châteaux and/or wine tasting tours. The TGV will get you to Tours in an hour. You want to arrive in Tours Centre, not the train station Saint-Pierre-des-Corps. The tourist office is right across from the train station and that is where you'll pick-up your tour. Here is the weblink for the Tours tourist office. Click the tab on the left that says "Excursions" and you'll find all the info you need. http://www.tours-tourisme.fr/index_en.php If you decide on this you'll need to use the TGV website to buy/reserve your tickets. For info on these trains use the website www.tgv-europe.com for schedules and prices. If you get redirected to the RailEurope website then try again and enter "Antarctica" as your ticket collection country. The RailEurope website often doesn't show all the trains and generally has higher prices. You can buy tickets up to 90 days in advance and the earlier you buy them the cheaper they will be. The discounted tickets are known as PREM tickets but these are non-refundable and can't be exchanged. |
You'll need to take a train from Paris to do these day trips. For info on trains in Paris and the nearby suburbs (métro and RER trains) use the website www.ratp.fr. Much of this website is in French so you can use an English language companion site www.parisbytrain.com. For trains that go a bit further out in the Île-de-France region use the website www.transilien.com. For trains that go further beyond the Île-de-France use the website www.voyages-sncf.com. A great website to learn about trains in France (and Europe) is www.seat61.com if you have any train questions/problems.
Paris and many of the places nearby in Île-de-France are divided into zones, numbered 1 through 5. Paris is in zone 1 and areas outside Paris are in zones 2 through 5. Some of the destinations I mentioned are in zone 5. For these journeys it will be more cost effective to buy a one day Mobilis pass for 14 euros for zones 1 through 5. This will be cheaper than the point to point tickets round trip. Plus, this pass is good for unlimited travel on all public trains and buses for one day in zones 1-5. Buy it first thing in the morning before your first métro ride and it gets you to your train station, your round trip tickets, any buses you need to use at your destination and any traveling you'll do in Paris when you return. Before you use the ticket make sure to write your name and the date on the ticket. Don't forget to stick your ticket in the composting machine (ticket validation machine) before getting on your train. You can buy these passes from the ticket machines in métro/RER stations. Sometimes these machines have an English language option. If so, look for the one day Mobilis pass option. When you get to the screen that lists your zones to choose from press zone 1 and then press zone 5. You can also buy them at any ticket counter or stores that sell RATP tickets. They are good for 60 days so you can buy it in advance if you want to be prepared. It's not valid until you write your name and date on it and validate the ticket on your first métro/RER trip or at the train station. Some of the day trips I mentioned will require a bus transfer once you arrive at the train station. If you choose one of these I can help you with bus info. |
Just a few additional comments:
If you depart Rome on the 29th, you will almost certainly arrive home on the 29th also. You can take an overnight train from Paris to Rome, but it might well be cheaper and certainly faster to fly. To offer hotel suggestions, we'd need to know your budget. |
>better to see a few places well than many poorly<
Adu always gives wise advice, although I disagree with advising against a day trip to Florence IF you base yourself in Rome for a week. My family and I took a day trip to Florence on the train, and traveling through the lovely rolling hills between Rome and Florence was wonderful. It also gave me a taste of what Florence has to offer, and it's on my (long) list of places to which I'd love to return. One of the mistakes we made our first trip to Europe was overplanning. We saw and did a lot in the 3 weeks we were there, but it was exhausting. Some of the most memorable moments were the unplanned ones~the picnic in the park in France, sitting in a piazza in Rome having a glass of wine....make sure you allow enough time for those moments! As StCirq pointed out, be sure to check discount flights for one-way tickets from Paris to Rome vs the cost and time for taking the train. We found a fare on Vueling Air (bare bones discount line, they charge for WATER) for less than a train ticket, AND it saved quite a bit of travel time. |
I do have another suggestion.
You can spend 5-6 days in Paris. Then take the overnight sleeper train to Venice. Not only does this save you the half day/whole day in flying from Paris to Rome, but it allows you to see at least another city on your list. spend a couple of days in Venice. Then train to Florence. spend a couple of days in Florence, then train to Rome. Or you could skip Florence and go directly from Venice to Rome. The trains that involve no change (this is very important! That you find the train trips that do not involve changing trains!) take less than 4 hours to go from Venice to Rome. Spend the rest of your time in Rome. It's a Paris-Italy trip, if you will. I like Rome (spent months there), but not that much as to advise that you spend all your time in Italy in Rome. Warning: there is only ONE train that goes from Paris (Lyon station) to Venice Santa Lucia Station without the need to change trains. It departs Lyon Station at 7:45pm and arrives Santa Lucia at 9:34am. Check out bahn.com for train information. Happy planning! |
I've only stayed in apts., but I recommend you stay in a hotel if this is your first visit. You can get a lot of helpful info at a hotel that you'll miss if you stay in an apt.
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You could keep Paris and Rome as bases, each for 4-5 days, but use two days in each country to visit nearby places that are easy to get to and don't take too much travel time. If you want to see some of the chateaus in France, then stick with 7 days in Paris. If not, then I would prefer the suggestions of 5 days in Paris and 9 days in Italy, flying from Paris to Venice, train to Rome, home from Rome. Or, if Venice is not a number one priority, then a couple of days in Tuscany would be perfect. I also hate being rushed, but honestly think for a first trip, four or five days in Paris would be fine and it would be really nice to see another area of Italy.
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Europe is to be savored, not just a glance. I understand you wanting to see a number of countries in your two weeks, but I think that is too much for such a short time.
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If you want to go on day trips try city discovery.com
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No problem Tenthumbs, I am just going to cry myself to sleep tonight.
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There's plenty of airlines the cost 40-60 euros. Be careful as 1 just closed its doors on Saturday leaving 10000 travelers stranded. I fly Ryan Airlines.
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