Seeking Help with First Trip to Japan
 

My husband and I are finally going to Japan next September. Just nabbed 2 BC FF seats on ANA. First full day in Tokyo Sept 3. Depart Tokyo Sept 20.

Background/interests: We will be 78 (husband) and 71 (me) when we go. We have average energy but do not wish to rush from shrine to shrine. We like a leisurely pace. My husband likes cities, I like country. We both are very interested in all things cultural: kabuki, tea ceremony, architecture, calligraphy, textile making, sumo, meditation and much more. We would rather enjoy one or two outstanding gardens, shrines, or temples in a city than see a lot of them. If its realistic we’d like to keep nightly lodging to an average of $250 per night with the exception of nights in a ryokan where we will pay whatever it costs for a special experience and a couple of nights in a splurge hotel/inn/lodging somewhere.

Here are the places that appeal to us after having done some reading and my reviews of some trip reports.
I’ve indicated number of day or nights. Please give feedback.
Tokyo 2 days at beginning of trip in one part of town - flying in to NRT
Kyoto -5 days/nts
Nara 2 days/1 nt
Kamazawa 2 days
Hiroshima 1nt Miyayima
Kamikawa 2 days
Takayama 3 days (because takes 1/2 day train each way)
Tokyo 2 days fly out of HND

We are concerned about finding our ways in train stations (Kathie’s experience in Tokyo was not inspiring) and spending hours getting lost in big cities.
Thanks Japan hands,
Robbie

I'm thinking there are a couple of confusing typos in your itinerary....Kamazawa? Kanazawa, right? And Kamikawa - you don't mean the place in Hokkaido, do you..maybe Kamikochi in Nagano Pref?

Otherwise, your itinerary looks okay but you don't want to do Hiroshima in between Kanazawa and Takayama which are near to each other.....

Please clarify a bit....

Hi Robbie, I've been thinking about you! We are just back from a Pandaw cruise in northern Burma - fabulous! This might be something you and Fred would enjoy. Sorry, no trip report yet, but it will get done soon.

Japan - we loved out time there. Other than Shinjuku station in Tokyo, we found the train system easy to use. So don't let my experience there discourage you.

Comments on your itinerary: I think you may be trying to do too much. In my experience, 1 night is never two days - it may be one night and two half days at beat. It takes three nights somewhere to get two full days. So it is clearer to me to count nights in a place to tell me how much useable time I have.

We used taxis in Kyoto to get around efficiently. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a viable option for Tokyo.

I'll leave you in the hands of our many very able Japan experts, though I am glad to answer any questions that I can.

Mara, Of course I'm confused. I meant Kanazawa. Let's forget the other place. And where should we put Hiroshima? So now I've recaptured two days which makes the itinerary more doable but perhaps it still needs trimming. Any suggestions on what to cut or where to reduce time?
Hi Kathie, we did a Pandaw cruise on one of our trips to Burma, too bad it rained most of the time. Glad you and Cheryl enjoyed it. I'll look forward to your TR.

lol....I get confused a lot also....I am close to your age...

Here's an easy map, you'll see it when you scroll down the page and also it's a wonderful site to do your research:

http://www.japan-guide.com/

So you can see that Hiroshima is to the west of Kyoto - so I guess I would go to Hiroshima after Kyoto and before Kanazawa and Takayama....

Given your interests, I would try to give yourselves at least 5 days for Kanazawa and Takayama (the two together, not 5 days each!, perhaps tilting toward Kanazawa), and as Mara has already pointed out, those two should be seen together.

Miyajima / Hiroshima would make most sense, as a rule, from Kyoto -- but you might want to play around with a few different routings to see what works best for your interests.

I'm still not sure I understand what you meant by your references to places with names that start with Ka... -- but if one of the places you meant is Kamakura, it is, IMO, best visited as a day trip from Tokyo.
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2166.html

If you have time, I strongly recommend a "splurge" night on Koyasan, perhaps at Shojoshin-in:
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e4900.html
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e4900.html
Staying there was, for me, a highlight even in a trip notable for its MANY highlights.

"We would rather enjoy one or two outstanding gardens, shrines, or temples in a city than see a lot of them."

Even so, you will need to be very selective! There are SO many glorious gardens and shrines and temples, and they are quite different from one another. I found japan-guide the single most useful of the resources I used when planning my time in Japan, but thought it overly optimistic in estimates of how much can be visited in a day, especially in Kyoto -- and I travel HARD! The next most useful was the even-then outdated, extremely informative, and not (that I could see) any more helpful to solo travelers than others, "Japan Solo" -- you might want to see if you can find a copy.

Kabuki (and Noh) are fascinating, IMO, but are not performed year round. Here's some info:
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2090.html

If you do go to Kanazawa, you can experience a traditional Japanese tea ceremony at Gyokusen-in, which also has a small, but extraordinary, garden:
http://www.kanazawa-tourism.com/eng/...de1_1.php?no=8

Also in Kanazawa, you can learn about yuzen silk at Kaga Yuzen
http://www.kanazawa-tourism.com/eng/info/info3_2.php

"We both are very interested in all things cultural"

It's touristy, but consider an evening at Gion Corner in Kyoto -- it offers a little taste of several traditional Japanese performing art forms:
http://www.kyoto-gioncorner.com/index.html

"We are concerned about finding our ways in train stations"

I think I would have experienced difficulties only in Tokyo -- but based on my advance research, I specifically avoided the largest subway stations. I found it much easier to walk a half mile or so from a less complicated station than deal with a massive underground complex. Once you decide where you are going, a little bit of research should give you a good idea of your options.

Should be a great trip - enjoy!

Robbietravels,

Your itinerary sounds ok to me, though I would spend a few more days in Tokyo because there's so much to see and do, including many of the things you mentioned.

One of the things you mentioned was sumo, and it happens one of the major sumo tournaments will be in Tokyo during your stay -- the tournament runs from Sept 11-25. It is possible to get tickets in advance, the most reputable online site being https://buysumotickets.com/. They will probably begin accepting orders in early summer.

One other question/caution: if either of you is unable to sit on the floor comfortably, then you might want to re-think the idea of a traditional ryokan. At many/most of them, dinner and breakfast is served either in your room or a dining area where you sit or kneel on the floor. A chair seat with a back but no legs is provided. That said, there are several top-flight places that combine traditional Japanese ambiance with more Western comforts (for example, Hoshinoya in Kyoto and Karuizawa).

Love seeing you back here.

We stayed right next to the train station in Hiroshima and it was perfect. The park and dome are the main things to see.

Bob

I thought the Peace Museum in Hiroshima well worth seeing, not just the park and dome. And I was very glad that I chose to spend the night in Miyajima. To each his/her own!

Good News! I just changed my return flight and added four days to our trip. So the tentative itinerary looks like this. I've spelled out the days so you can see how much time to allow for transportation
Sept 2 arrive NRT 4:30 PM
Sept 3 Tokyo
Sept 4 Tokyo
Sept 5 Tokyo
Sept 6 Kyoto
Sept 7 Kyoto
Sept 8 Kyoto
Sept 9 Kyoto
Sept 10 Kyoto
Sept 11 Nara
Sept 12 Nara
Sept 13 Nara to Koyasan
Sept 14 Hiroshima/Miyajima
Sept 15 Kanikawa
Sept 16 Kanikawa
Sept 17 Kanikawa
Sept 18 Kanikawa
Sept 19 Kanikawa to Takayama
Sept 20 Takayama
Sept 21 Takayama
Sept 22 Takayama
Sept 23 Takayama to Tokyo
Sept 24 Toyko depart at 5 PM

Comments Please

Robbie, Is Kanikawa suppose to be Kanazawa?

I like this itinerary! Have a wonderful time in Japan.

Yes Kanazawa. I'm still getting used to these unfamiliar names.

Hi Robbie and Fred. I have lots of comments and suggestions but will do so when I get home from our current trip where I can type on a normal computer and not tap on my iPad lol. Two glaring things I see are too much time in Takayama and not enough in Hiroshima. Also you will be in Japan at the hottest/humid time of the year save August. Two nights in Hiroshima and one night on Miyajima would be my perfect stay in that area taking away one night each from Takayama/Kanazawa. Actually two nights in Takayama would be plenty enough for me buts that's just me. The Japan guide website that I introduced to this fodors site years ago has now become the Japan bible but please also check the jnto site for lots of great info. Will get back to you soon after we return home.

Aloha!

I agree with hawaiiantraveler -- consider moving a night from Kanazawa or Takayama and add a night to Hiroshima / Miyajima. You might also consider moving a night from Kanazawa or Takayama to add it to Kyoto or Nara -- plenty to see there! Don't get me wrong -- I really enjoyed both Kanazawa and Takayama -- I just think your allotted time in these two cities may be a bit overly generous. That said, it really depends on what YOU want to see and experience.

If I understand correctly, you already have your flights? If so, you might consider putting all of your time in Tokyo at the END of your trip. You'll be tired upon arriving in Japan, but you'll be tired whether you push on to another destination or not. Just a thought so you could avoid two different hotels in Tokyo.

Too, you might consider putting your time in the hottest and most humid areas later in your trip than other destinations.

Enjoy!

Robbie, good to see you back! Pleasantly surprised to see your name again!!

Everyone has covered a lot of the points I would've made, but I'll add my two cents on one additional thing.

We LOVED Miyajima. And we did it the same way you are (as a side trip from Hiroshima)...but I'm concerned you're not giving yourself a ton of time to do both Hiroshima and Miyajima. It looks like you have one full day to do both.

Hiroshima, in and of itself, will take you at least 3-5 hours to properly see and tour the Peace Park, including the museum and nearby sights. I agree that's all there is to do there: but absolutely worth doing nonetheless.

Getting to Miyajima from Hiroshima will take you a good 1-1.5 hours all in (with train stops and ferry, etc.) depending on the route you go. That's just crazy rushed to me to try and do all in one day. And, I worry you won't be able to enjoy the uniqueness of both places.

Miyajima itself warrants at least a half-day of exploring, walking around, taking the tram up Mt. Misen and seeing the monastery. Don't rush that experience--soak it in. Miyajima is amazingly beautiful. The best part is when all the day-trippers leave around sunset and you can basically have the whole island to yourself. Being there that night ranks amongst my best travel experiences.

I would suggest--if you can make it work--getting to Hiroshima in the early afternoon, staying next to the train station (I think we stayed at the same Sheraton as Bob) and touring Hiroshima that day...then head to Miyajima late morning the next day and truly enjoy the island on its own--without being rushed.

When you do start exploring hotels in Miyajima, consider Iwaso. We stayed there and really enjoyed it.

Good luck planning. We head back to Japan in 2 short weeks and cannot wait to get there!

I'm glad I'm back too Bob, filmwill and and hawaiinatraveller. Your thoughts are interesting. The only reason I was considering 4 days for Takayama is that it takes a half day (well 4 hours, since we don' want a 8 am train) getting there and getting back, leaving 3 days to visit. Maybe that's still too much. Or maybe its just too much travel for a two day stay??? But yes we can eliminate one night from Kanizawa and Takayama and assign one night each to Hiroshima and Kyoto.

We arrive at NRT at 4:25 on Thursday pm. Kja where would you suggest we travel on to that late afternoon instead of staying in Tokyo?

Don Topaz, we are fit enough to stay in a ryokan for a night. I take it that most folks just do an overnight rather than a three or four night stay.

About the weather. Which places will be the most humid. What clothing is best?

Please leave yourself extra time because of the humidity, which exists all over at that time of year. From experience, you will need time to sit and relax/rest with a cold drink in an air-conditioned café frequently (even perhaps if younger).

Have someone write down in Japanese characters how to ask "Which platform does the train leave from?" and how to say "Write it down". I found that quite handy before my Japanese got more fluent and not common phrasebook material.

"We arrive at NRT at 4:25 on Thursday pm. Kja where would you suggest we travel on to that late afternoon instead of staying in Tokyo?"

Your first destination other than Tokyo! :-) What that is will depend on how you decide to navigate the heat and humidity, whether you are "night" or "morning" people, how your travel options fit with your interests in seeing specific sites and/or any cultural events you hope to include in your journey, etc. As I said, its just something you might consider to avoid two different stays in Tokyo.

"I take it that most folks just do an overnight [at a ryokan] rather than a three or four night stay."

My understanding is that not everyone wants to plan on being at a ryokan in time for dinner each night (which can mean reaching the ryokan as early as 4 or 5 p.m.), or pay the price of a ryokan stay if they aren't including the evening meal as part of the experience. But ryokan come in a variety of "sizes and shapes" and offer various options to their guests.

SambaChula wrote: "Have someone write down in Japanese characters how to ask "Which platform does the train leave from?"

Interesting! I learned only the most basic of Japanese pleasantries, and had no trouble finding the right platforms for my many train rides. I got most of the platform information I needed in advance from hyperdia (maybe it no longer provides that information?) and when I didn't have it, I found it easy to identify the correct platforms. Maybe things have changed....

You've already been given plenty of advice to add a day to Hiroshima/Miyajima, which is the one glaring opportunity I noted on your new itinerary. Let me second the recommendation of staying at Iwaso ryokan on Miyajima. I loved my night there. It is right next to Red Maple Valley park, which, although you will be too early for fall colors, will still provide you with beautiful nature walks. The onsen facilities at Iwaso were wonderful and the kaiseki dinner in my room that night was spectacular. I can still taste the grilled oyster! Yes, it is exepensive but considering where you are, the setting and the quality of the facilities, it's well worth it for that one night.

Hi Robbie - I agree with kja that you will not have to ask anyone about how to find your train's platform.

I recommend using a translator app rather than writing things down, although the last time we were in Japan we encountered way more English than previously. Can't help with the itinerary because it's been years since I've been outside Tokyo or Hakone, but I did visit the places on your list and have fond memories. Look on Time Out and Afar to edit the list of shrines and gardens you visit.

I will differ with kja with whom I usually agree... ;-) If your plane arrives at 4:30...don't know where you are coming from....by the time you get through Immigration and get your luggage it will be sort of late to start off to, say, Kyoto...where you would arrive after 9 pm....

I would send my luggage by takuhaibin to Kyoto and stay overnight near to Shinagawa Station in Tokyo and then start off in the morning - assuming Kyoto is your first stop of course.

Mara wrote, "by the time you get through Immigration and get your luggage it will be sort of late to start off to, say, Kyoto...where you would arrive after 9 pm...."

And timing like that would work perfectly for me! Actually, I checked into the hotel at my first destination at 9:30 p.m. -- just in time for a wonderful dinner and some much needed sleep. :-) But that's why I tried to note that it really depends on the OP's plans and preferences, and Mara is (as always) right on the mark in highlighting what it could mean in very clear terms.

From wake up in Los Angeles until flight boarding our flight is five to six hours. Than an 11.5 hour flight on ANA. Then getting through immigration, etc. If I know us, we'll be ready to get some food, get some sleep and not be in a rush in the morning. So I think we should spent a couple days in Tokyo (maybe the Ginza area?). I just don't think we have the mindset to get up and take a train to Kyoto after such lengthly travel. We sure used to, but.....

Makes sense! Really, it was just a thought -- something you might want to consider, nothing more.

Koyoto being capital city of Japan is one of the most preferred destination for travelers across the world. You can visit most visited places like,

- Koyoto Station Building,
- Nijo-jo Castle
- Koyoto Gosho
- Gion Corner
- Gion District
- Ryoan-ji Temple
- Heiann Jingu Shrine

Mentioned are some attractive destination you can visit during your Koyoto Stay.

I have not disappeared, I have been busy planning. Here are the things I have in place. Several of my hotel choices had no availability (or said that because their rates for next year are not yet set).
9/2 arrive Tokyo 4:30 Hotel Daiichi
9/3,9/4 Tokyo
9/5-/9 Kyoto waitintg for reply from Mume Boutique Hotel
9/10 Kyoto ryokan - Hiagiya says sold out
9/11-12 Nara, Nikko Hotel
9/13 Koyasan
9/14 Hiroshima, ANA Crown Plaza
9/15 Miyajima, Iwaso website says sold out
9/16,17,18 Kanazawa, ANA Crown Plaza
9/19,20, 21, Takayama,Guest House & Café Soy
9/22, 23 Tokyo, Park Hyatt
9/24 Tokyo, depart for airport 1 PM
Please comment

If you haven't already, no harm in seeing if Iwaso will put you on a wait list in case of a cancellation. It's a fairly large place, so a cancellation would not seem all that unlikely.

For Kyoto I can recommend Shiraume Ryokan, I loved it and two people who've stayed since, on my recommendation, loved it too. One said it was a highlight of their trip.

If you want to do a ryokan in Nara instead, I had a wonderful stay at Kankaso Ryokan, a traditional and historical place right by the central park and nandai-mon gate.

I just noticed that I gave you the wrong link for Shojoshin-in on Koya-san -- sorry!
https://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/...n=Shojoshin-in

This site -- japaneseguesthouses -- is a good source for other lodging, too.

Robbie, learn about the luggage forwarding system in japan-- excellent help

Also agree with others, 1 more day in Hiroshima.

We loved the hakone Hyatt. Highlight of our trip and the day getting there was fabulous...Peter will explain for you.

Bob

Still in Japan where weather is great, food is fantastic and yen is very friendly now.

Most Japan hotels/ryokan do not take reservations more than six months out so don't worry. Some business hotels won't take a res more than three months out. International chain hotels will take a res long term.

Although I use Japan Guest houses regularly they have very limited ryokan listed on their site. I mean extremely limited. What I usually do is research options on the web and various other "English" sites i.e. JGH, Japanican, Agoda, JTB, etc. I then notify Japan guest houses which ones I'm interested in and they will arrange for me as they can contact obscure Japanese speaking only ryokans with no language barriers that I have.

Kyoto is probably the most expensive city in Japan hotel/ryokan wise. Have you ever thought of staying in a machiya there? Plus I don't like to stay in ryokan in bigger cities. I prefer ryokan in a more tranquil setting like mountain areas or ocean areas. Better food, settings and environs IMHO.

Bob is right about the Hyatt Hakone which is where we are right now as I tap this ot on my iPad. Love this place!!

Don't stress, you have lots of time to plan a fantastic trip. As the Japanese would say gambatte!

Aloha!

Japan's excellent luggage-forwarding option is called takuhaibin; here's the info:
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2278.html

Robbie, I'd note that you might want to try to contact Japanese Guest Houses regarding availability at Iwaso. It seems very unusual--especially at that time of year--that it would be sold out this far in advance. I think they'll be able to give you a better idea of if it's really sold out or not.

http://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/r.../?ryokan=Iwaso

Usually hotel websites only show rooms up to a certain amount of days out. Guessing that's what you're seeing on their website.

JGH doesn't charge anything extra and they communicate in and speak perfect English. I found them extraordinarily helpful when dealing with hotels and inns where English isn't a predominant language (as it isn't at Iwaso).

Good luck!

Yes, Japan Guesthouses says they can reserve for me 3 months in advance, so plenty of time. Would like to know favorite temple lodgings in Koyasan and favorite places to stay in Kyoto (around $250/nt).
I assume that when you forward luggage, you keep a sachet with you with a change of clothes, toothbrush,etc.
How about good reading in fiction, memoir, biography, history. I've read ˇhe Lady & the Monk and A Tlae for the Time Being.

"Would like to know favorite temple lodgings in Koyasan"

As noted upthread, Shojoshin-in, which still gets very good reviews:
https://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/...n=Shojoshin-in

"I assume that when you forward luggage, you keep a sachet with you with a change of clothes, toothbrush,etc."

Yes -- an overnight bag, as delivery is usually the following day. Here, again, is the link:
http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2278.html

"How about good reading"

<i>Shogun, Memoirs of a Geisha</i>

Yes, read them years ago. Forgot to mention them.

ttt

Your valued advise led to a major overhaul in our trip.Thank You. First I was able to reschedule the trip from September to October. I was able to fiddle with the order of towns to be in Takayama for their autumn festival days. If you have lodging and other recs, please offer them. Still need a place to stay in Tokyo that is in different part of the city but convenient to sites for our first stay. Also still unsure about why you all rec two nights in Hiroshima, before 1 night Miyajima;makes the rest of the trip rushed. Here goes

10/4 arrive Tokyo )ANA BC ff miles) 5 am
10/5 & 6 Tokyo
10/7 early train to Kanazawa, ANA Crown Plaza or Tokyu Hotel ?
10/9-10 Takayama/festival, Oyado Koto No Yume ryokan or ??
10/11 train to Kyoto Mume Boutique Hotel
10/12-17 Kyoto
10/18-19 Nara Nara Nikko Hotel or Nara Hotel??
10/20 Koyasan Shojoshin in a Hanare or Fukuchiin ?
10/21 & 22 Hiroshima ANA Crown Plaza or ?
10/23 Miyajima, Iwaso
10/24 fly Hiroshima to Tokyo, Park Hyatt
10/25 Park Hyatt
10/26 fly home at midnight

I would not spend 2 nights in Hiroshima. I guess it depends on what time you would arrive there...but if you get there even in the early afternoon, that still gives you plenty of time to explore the museum area--which is really all you'd need to/want to see (at least IMO).

2 nights seems excessive to me.

Based on your new itinerary, I agree that one night for Hiroshima should be plenty. You need about 5-6 hours IMO to ocver the Peace Museum, Peace Park and see/reflect at the ABomb dome. And you have a separate day for Miyajima, with overnight which is great. Were you able to get into Iwaso, then?