Lucy, I would thank you if you left this board.

Speak for yourselves, wiseguys, I like polite people!

One thing I now realize I was remiss in not bringing up in my post last night. Although it is not clear whether etiquette requires posting a thanks on a bulletin board for people who reply; etiquette DOES forbid nastiness in ALL forms of communication, including public boards like this one. I haven't always lived up to this ideal, but I still hold to it. This means one never insult any poster's intelligence, motivations, or ability to have a life. If you conclude someone is posting idiotic commentary (and I've seen LOTS of that over the years!), you either ignore the words or try to point out the person's fallacious train of thought.

Well said Paul. Thank you. <BR> <BR>As long as we are on the subject of ettiquette, I think I would like to see more people admit when they are wrong or out of line or rude or whatever. It seems that very few people are willing to admit that someone else was right. And you just never see a plain old apology when someone posts something that is a little rude. Just doesn't happen.

So, I take it both of you will denounce all of those of who have viciously and gratuitously attacked me ?

Funny you should mention that, Noach. If I recall, someone recently invited you to apologize for some things you admitted doing. You refused. So I'm afraid I can't take up for you. But if you are able to muster the maturity to apologize for sending unsolicited e-mails to people that creeped them out, I might begin to feel differently.

Noach, I thought you recently announced you weren't going to post anymore. Darn, I would have said thanks if that had been true.

I have already explained in previous posts that I did absolutely nothing wrong. Here is what happened. <BR> <BR>Around half-a-year ago I emailed a few people from this forum who either lived in Hawaii or who seemed to have a lot of Hawaii travel experience and seemed like nice people. (key word being 'seemed') <BR> <BR>The letter began like this: <BR> <BR>"I have seen your posts in the Fodor's U.S. forum and you seem like a nice <BR>person so I thought I would send you this description of a very special <BR>situation which I am trying to find. I realize that is very likely that <BR>you will not be able to help but I thought I would try just in case." I went on to ask that they please keep my letter annonymous and to thank them for <BR>their time. I seem to recall only sending this to three people from the U.S. forum but I may have sent it to one or two or more, certainly not more than that though. <BR> <BR>I may have re-sent my email to those who didn't reply and asked if they received it but other than that I never emailed them again. <BR> <BR>I was shocked, horrified and hurt at how one or more of the people I had confided in turned against me in such a treacherous, vicious and sadistic manner. They have made it sound as if I sent something obscene or threatening, which is absolutely not the case. <BR> <BR>For these people to then ask ME for an apology is truly warped and perverse. It reminds me of the case where a burglar tripped over something in his VICTIM's house and then sued his victim.

No, xxx, that was one of the numerous forgeries which you saw. I only said, around a month ago, that I MAY disappear at any time and I thanked those who had been supportive.

Noach, I have to say that I can't help but feel sorry for you. I don't understand why you didn't leave this Forum ages ago since you've obviously been turned into a punching bag for the bullies on here. You're obviously looking for friends, and haven't found them here. There are people who troll this Forum, who are probably somewhat interested in travel, but who seem more interested in finding some reason to belittle people or insult them. <BR> <BR>Everybody has a right to post their ideas on this Forum, including you, whether you have traveled much or not. But I honestly don't understand why you stay to talk with people here - some of them are rude beyond belief, and get a sick thrill out of abusing people, I believe. <BR> <BR>I wish you the best, Noach.

To all posters who have given me so much information. Thank you. To all those who have read or used any information that I have given, You are welcome. This is a board not a chat room. There is no need to thank anyone for information given or received. My thanks is in the fact that someone may use whatever I have may impart. <BR>Lucy you remind me of my late mother in law. She would insisted that I must send her a thank you card for the birthday card she send me. In return she had to send a thank you card for the thank you card I sent to her. And on it went.

Noach, <BR> <BR>You still don't get it. You say you sent the following to a few people: "I have seen your posts in the Fodor's U.S. forum and you seem like a nice <BR>person so I thought I would send you this description of a very special <BR>situation which I am trying to find." But you left out the most important part. What did you tell them was the "very special situation" you were trying to find? A wife? A tryst? If you are going to say it was a big secret, well, then I'm going to think it must have been creepy, as it was described by the folks who received it. And please understand that your desire that an e-mail communication be kept confidential doesn't make it so. There would be no need for confidentiality if you were giving ordinary travel advice, which is the purpose of this forum. <BR> <BR>Please give this some thought and consider if you be able to accept even the slightest amount of responsibility for the unfortunate treatment you are receiving on this board.

IF I EVER SAW A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS SITE NEEDS TO BE MORE CLOSELY MONITORED BY FODORS, IT'S THIS INANE THREAD!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRAVEL. ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS KIND OF THING, PLEASE ANSWER TODAY'S GRAB BAG QUESTION AND REQUEST THAT FODORS ELIMINATE NON-TRAVEL RELATED POSTINGS!

BJ <BR> <BR>1. Please don't shout. Thank you for your cooperation. <BR> <BR>2. Please don't post on threads obviously having nothing to do with travel only to shout that the thread has nothing to do with travel. Thank you for your cooperation.

I agree with Paul on this one! <BR> <BR>And Noach-You were asked to apologize because of the tone and comments in your posts! You have a bad habit of name calling and insulting people who dare to criticize or question your posts. I have been on this Forum for a long time and from what I have read of your postings the true Travel advice you give is rare. Most of the time you are moralizing, preaching or just plain rambling on about things which have no relevancy here.

Come on, everybody! 'Fess up! This "inane" thread, as someone called it, is one of the reasons you love this <BR>Forum! If no one said anything other than, "Go to the Hyatt," how boring would that be? And if you didn't see what you might consider a "questionable" post, who would you have to kick around? So lighten up, and let Noach post what he wants - it's no skin off your back! It's just a forum!

Lucy, I've noticed you haven't thanked everyone who's posted here, nor have I seen you say "you're welcome" to people who have thanked you.

I'm with Charlie (up a ways on this thread).on this one. <BR>I'm going to start only reading these threads when I have a <BR>hangover so maybe then they won't seem too stupid. Thank God <BR>A long weekend is coming up! <BR>

No Chuck, you have it backwards. It's other people who have done that to me far more than I ever have done to anyone.

I would thank you all to kiss my lilly white ass and enjoy it.